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Yep Post 2 is very clear. FAILURE TO OBEY GODS COMMANDS SHALL BRING REPERCUSSIONS.
Of course you will deny this.
You also claim over and over your not trying to earn salvation. But you post proves you do..
any other bright ideas you may have? other than once again claiming I am saying something other than what I said??
Who said I am teaching it is ok? That your twisted view. because you ignore what I say.
as for repercussion in after life. what do you think Christ died for? SO WE DO NOT HAVE REPERCUSSIONS.
face it, If Christ did not die for all sin as he said he did, we are ALL DOOMED.
Eve Did Die the moment she ate. She suffered painfull child birth. Had to be thrown out of th egarden and toil in the field for her food. He loving relationship she had with God was severed (until she repented and agreed to his gospel) and many other things.
I guess according to you she had a wonderful life in all her sin, Her only repercussion was the after life.
Satan has you fooled. He wants you to think Christ's death was not sufficient, And you have to work real hard not to fall away and have God do what Satan claims he will do. Prove he is not an all loving, all forgiving, all mercifull God.
He sent his son to make propitiation (satisfy his wrath) on our behalf. not only ours, but the whole world.. But you evidently have bought into the lie this is not true.
Schools in. You prove almost every post your legalistic, law entrenched gospel of works. And yet you deny you teach it, and judge us with your lies against us.
The whole world not only sees, But God sees. I would be more afraid of God then I would of the world.. if I were you!
Of course you will deny this.
You also claim over and over your not trying to earn salvation. But you post proves you do..
any other bright ideas you may have? other than once again claiming I am saying something other than what I said??
Who said I am teaching it is ok? That your twisted view. because you ignore what I say.
as for repercussion in after life. what do you think Christ died for? SO WE DO NOT HAVE REPERCUSSIONS.
face it, If Christ did not die for all sin as he said he did, we are ALL DOOMED.
Eve Did Die the moment she ate. She suffered painfull child birth. Had to be thrown out of th egarden and toil in the field for her food. He loving relationship she had with God was severed (until she repented and agreed to his gospel) and many other things.
I guess according to you she had a wonderful life in all her sin, Her only repercussion was the after life.
Satan has you fooled. He wants you to think Christ's death was not sufficient, And you have to work real hard not to fall away and have God do what Satan claims he will do. Prove he is not an all loving, all forgiving, all mercifull God.
He sent his son to make propitiation (satisfy his wrath) on our behalf. not only ours, but the whole world.. But you evidently have bought into the lie this is not true.
Schools in. You prove almost every post your legalistic, law entrenched gospel of works. And yet you deny you teach it, and judge us with your lies against us.
The whole world not only sees, But God sees. I would be more afraid of God then I would of the world.. if I were you!
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Heb 4: 9 is not talking about saturday, It is talking about the peace which surpases all understanding.
If you looking for peace or rest on just one day. I feel sorry for you the other six days. For those of us who have found it.. Well as God said, it surpasses all understanding, So you probably could not comprehend it. I just pray you find it.. For when you do, You will praise God for what WE HAVE FOUND!
If you looking for peace or rest on just one day. I feel sorry for you the other six days. For those of us who have found it.. Well as God said, it surpasses all understanding, So you probably could not comprehend it. I just pray you find it.. For when you do, You will praise God for what WE HAVE FOUND!
No! God has never adjusted what he has endorsed. Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Split hoof=direction, Chewing the cud=total digestion, Law is food for the soul, etc. I am endorsing the Spiritual meaning, not the physical, even though one might say it's good to eat the right physical animal. I like bacon. I don’t think that makes me a hypocrite. If I were to look at the law as only physical, then I'd be sacrificing goats, sheep, and bulls, but I don't do that. There isn’t even a temple made by man to do that. Now, WE are the temple.
Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Nevertheless, all the rituals concerning all the sacrifices teach me the dynamics of all Christ Jesus has fulfilled. Without knowing that the shedding of blood was imperative for the forgiveness of sins, I would have little confidence in the shedding of blood by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God hasn't reconnoitered.
Hebrews 13:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Split hoof=direction, Chewing the cud=total digestion, Law is food for the soul, etc. I am endorsing the Spiritual meaning, not the physical, even though one might say it's good to eat the right physical animal. I like bacon. I don’t think that makes me a hypocrite. If I were to look at the law as only physical, then I'd be sacrificing goats, sheep, and bulls, but I don't do that. There isn’t even a temple made by man to do that. Now, WE are the temple.
Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Nevertheless, all the rituals concerning all the sacrifices teach me the dynamics of all Christ Jesus has fulfilled. Without knowing that the shedding of blood was imperative for the forgiveness of sins, I would have little confidence in the shedding of blood by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God hasn't reconnoitered.
Hebrews 13:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Those here concerned with what our diet is, please stop.
We are taught never to judge a person for what he eats.
We are taught never to judge a person for what he will not eat.
Receive all things with thanksgiving, and with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh. Nothing more may be expected of the brethren.
We are taught never to judge a person for what he eats.
We are taught never to judge a person for what he will not eat.
Receive all things with thanksgiving, and with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh. Nothing more may be expected of the brethren.
i guess i just meant there is only a fringe group in the visible church which considers we are living in a Dispensation where LAW is completely absent.
some Grace something or other community.
hyper-dispensationalists (and real antinomians...not that they go around sinning...but they are literally against the Law in that they say Law in no way plays any part in this so-called-current Gentile, or Church Age).
they believe OT saints were saved somehow under and by the Mosaic Law. most failed to keep the Law and so few were saved (some whack idea like that)
this dispensation (generally inaugerated mid Acts, or whatever) is purely grace with Law literally just totally absent.
they believe that when the Church is removed via the pretrib rapture, the people remaining on earth (jews) will revert back to the Old Covenant.
they believe in a literal future 1,000 year Kingdom where anyone who gets saved does so through a return to Mosaic Law mixed with some other thing (which can`t be grace through faith) since Christ will be here in a temple smashing people with an iron rod.
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some Grace something or other community.
hyper-dispensationalists (and real antinomians...not that they go around sinning...but they are literally against the Law in that they say Law in no way plays any part in this so-called-current Gentile, or Church Age).
they believe OT saints were saved somehow under and by the Mosaic Law. most failed to keep the Law and so few were saved (some whack idea like that)
this dispensation (generally inaugerated mid Acts, or whatever) is purely grace with Law literally just totally absent.
they believe that when the Church is removed via the pretrib rapture, the people remaining on earth (jews) will revert back to the Old Covenant.
they believe in a literal future 1,000 year Kingdom where anyone who gets saved does so through a return to Mosaic Law mixed with some other thing (which can`t be grace through faith) since Christ will be here in a temple smashing people with an iron rod.
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nouna person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel.
Origin:
1635–45; < Medieval Latin Antinom ( ī ) name of sect (plural of Antinomus opponent of (the moral) law <Greek antí anti- + nómos law) + -ian
I'm clearly not one of these. But I still hold the Mosaic Law in high regard meaning it needs to be equally considered as any other scripture given by God.
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What did sabaath mean? REST
There was a seventh day sabaath _rest from labors)
A seven year sabaath (rest the ground)
and a sabaath promised to Isreal in the land of Isreal (every day)
But I guess every time we read it, we should just take it to mean 7th day.. Thanks..
Whats amazing is I agree on the 7th day rest.. God did give it to us for our benefit.
Yet you will still claim i teach against it..
no matter what. Heb is still NOT talking of a seventh day rest. But a REST in her land. Where God gives them ALL he promised, and they do not have to work, God does it for them..
As he promised us, As Zone said, When we have salvation, we have rested from our work. Now we can depend on God in faith to do the work for and THROUGH us.
But I guess you deny this, your still trying to work. You can rest on saturday all you want, it will not help you. You can;t find rest in your soul because your still trying to earn eternal life!
There was a seventh day sabaath _rest from labors)
A seven year sabaath (rest the ground)
and a sabaath promised to Isreal in the land of Isreal (every day)
But I guess every time we read it, we should just take it to mean 7th day.. Thanks..
Whats amazing is I agree on the 7th day rest.. God did give it to us for our benefit.
Yet you will still claim i teach against it..
no matter what. Heb is still NOT talking of a seventh day rest. But a REST in her land. Where God gives them ALL he promised, and they do not have to work, God does it for them..
As he promised us, As Zone said, When we have salvation, we have rested from our work. Now we can depend on God in faith to do the work for and THROUGH us.
But I guess you deny this, your still trying to work. You can rest on saturday all you want, it will not help you. You can;t find rest in your soul because your still trying to earn eternal life!
This is key to your misunderstanding.
Why would there be a rest to the people of God who are already taking saturdays off because of the law???
Its already the law to take saturdays off, to rest. So why does the Lord say this;
Matt 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
What does the Lord give us rest from? Sin. Working at the law by our flesh and wills. Which, btw, the saturday sabbath was a type and shadow of... rest from works...
Galatians 3:23-25
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
When we come to the Lord Jesus Christ He gives us rest from working at the law from our power. He gives us rest from beholding our sin and shame.
We don't look at our selfish selves anymore and see all the junk. We don't work out of the guilt and shame of disobedience by always beholding the law. We are supposed to work out of Love that the Lord Jesus gives us freely. We can only do this if we are beholding the Lord Jesus Christ. You can serve the law or you can serve Christ.
My way would be grabbing people by the scruff of the neck, jamming the bread of Life down their throat and dragging them to the nearest body of water for a good dunking. There, you're saved, and if I catch you doing anything weird again I'll come over there and save you again!!
The Lord Jesus is not that way. His ways are high above my ways. He is meek, peaceable, loving. His way works much better than my way...
My flesh understands the law very well. It relates to my carnal ways.
Love your God with all your mind, soul and strength. Or the curse. and death.
Love your neighbor as yourself. or the curse. and death.
That's the rod. That's dads belt to put it more gently... for transgressors. For the kids who break dads rules to put it more gently...
But when we come to Christ He cleans us up and adopts us into His family as sons and daughters. We are no longer slaves to flesh and its sin and its law..... We no longer need the rod to beat sin out of us.
We have the Holy Spirit who is gentle, meek, peaceful, loving. He teaches us who Christ is and what He has done for us. He grows fruit in our lives that working by our own power could never produce.
When we fix our attention on Jesus, abiding in Him, He grows the fruit of the Holy Spirit inside us.
Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
We rest in the Lord Jesus. He grows the fruit of the Holy Spirit inside us.
Everything I have said is for Christians who have come to Christ and have been given the Holy Spirit by faith.
Unbelievers, transgressors, those who reject Grace, are very much still under the Law to obey it perfectly.
Why would there be a rest to the people of God who are already taking saturdays off because of the law???
Its already the law to take saturdays off, to rest. So why does the Lord say this;
Matt 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
What does the Lord give us rest from? Sin. Working at the law by our flesh and wills. Which, btw, the saturday sabbath was a type and shadow of... rest from works...
Galatians 3:23-25
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
When we come to the Lord Jesus Christ He gives us rest from working at the law from our power. He gives us rest from beholding our sin and shame.
We don't look at our selfish selves anymore and see all the junk. We don't work out of the guilt and shame of disobedience by always beholding the law. We are supposed to work out of Love that the Lord Jesus gives us freely. We can only do this if we are beholding the Lord Jesus Christ. You can serve the law or you can serve Christ.
My way would be grabbing people by the scruff of the neck, jamming the bread of Life down their throat and dragging them to the nearest body of water for a good dunking. There, you're saved, and if I catch you doing anything weird again I'll come over there and save you again!!
The Lord Jesus is not that way. His ways are high above my ways. He is meek, peaceable, loving. His way works much better than my way...
My flesh understands the law very well. It relates to my carnal ways.
Love your God with all your mind, soul and strength. Or the curse. and death.
Love your neighbor as yourself. or the curse. and death.
That's the rod. That's dads belt to put it more gently... for transgressors. For the kids who break dads rules to put it more gently...
But when we come to Christ He cleans us up and adopts us into His family as sons and daughters. We are no longer slaves to flesh and its sin and its law..... We no longer need the rod to beat sin out of us.
We have the Holy Spirit who is gentle, meek, peaceful, loving. He teaches us who Christ is and what He has done for us. He grows fruit in our lives that working by our own power could never produce.
When we fix our attention on Jesus, abiding in Him, He grows the fruit of the Holy Spirit inside us.
Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
We rest in the Lord Jesus. He grows the fruit of the Holy Spirit inside us.
Everything I have said is for Christians who have come to Christ and have been given the Holy Spirit by faith.
Unbelievers, transgressors, those who reject Grace, are very much still under the Law to obey it perfectly.
Antinomian basically means against, or instead, of law. It was employed as a perjorative term after the reformation, and its current meaning reflects that bias. I's current definition, however, is a falsehood and a misrepresentation because the doctrine of grace-only does not reject law. It embraces the higher law of Christ, while assigning the lesser law of Moses to the shadows of history where it belongs, i.e., in the shadows pointing to the light.
Good post!!! very good.
Luke 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Mark 2:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
I consider the 7th day a day to remember and converse to others of the previous 6 days. Remember creation? Every event was built on the day previous. There needs to be sustenance to build and develop according to the divine plan. The Sabbath is a statute unto us, given by God. Entering into His rest is putting Him first in all things. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day is a day for meditation for us to consider all of God’s word and creation.
Luke 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Mark 2:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
I consider the 7th day a day to remember and converse to others of the previous 6 days. Remember creation? Every event was built on the day previous. There needs to be sustenance to build and develop according to the divine plan. The Sabbath is a statute unto us, given by God. Entering into His rest is putting Him first in all things. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day is a day for meditation for us to consider all of God’s word and creation.
If the writer of Hebrews had meant the weekly sabbath, he would have used the normal word for it, sabbaton. Instead he used a word for a different kind of rest, sabbatismos, that is used nowhere else in scripture, and appears in only one ancient writing (Plut. Superst., 3 (II, 166a)). So yes, it is an unusual word with an unusual meaning.
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I do not even think it is this. I believe this more of the religious version. Although, it would never be a bad thing to do this on any day, not just saturday.
the 7th day rest was to give our physical bodies, and emotional minds rest from the physical work and mental exhaustion of the week.
we live in a day where we work 7 days a week, and never take rest for anything, always on the move. Our weary minds and bodies, Sickness cause by overstressing of our bodies and everything else comes from not following the day of rest God GAVE TO US. so we could have a time of healing.
It is like the man who lifts weights, If he continually lifts without rest, he will never get stronger. only weaker.
that is the reason of the seventh day.
The jews twisted it to their perverison. And many in the churhc have done the same, and condemn wothers who do not follow their version (example. meeting in church on Sunday instead of satuday, which never had a thing to do with the sabbath!)
Romans 7:7
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet. 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet. 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died