Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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uh...no.
the facts on the ground are that jews are NOT "joining" via the Hebrew Roots Movement.
they're puzzled and offended by it (since it's gentiles playing dress-up).
"gentiles" are taking things "seriously" now (after 2000 years)?
by blowing shofars and casting bread on water and lighting shabbat candles and listening to Talmudic Rabbis?
right.
jews aren't "joining" the HR movement - gentiles are leaving Christianity for Judaism.
if that's what you want, go for it.
Paul cursed it.
the facts on the ground are that jews are NOT "joining" via the Hebrew Roots Movement.
they're puzzled and offended by it (since it's gentiles playing dress-up).
"gentiles" are taking things "seriously" now (after 2000 years)?
by blowing shofars and casting bread on water and lighting shabbat candles and listening to Talmudic Rabbis?
right.
jews aren't "joining" the HR movement - gentiles are leaving Christianity for Judaism.
if that's what you want, go for it.
Paul cursed it.
Gentiles playing dress up? That is cute, but scoffish.
If people wish to be more like the believers at the time Jesus walked His earth and shortly after He ascended. What is that to you?
There are many customs and traditions of man in all the theologies of Christians, and no one is making cute remarks about them.
Most here just want to share the Word. Praise God, read His Word and believe Him. He is worthy, we certainly are not, and in not being the worthy ones, casting stones, ridicule, scoffing in the form of base humor and cartoons has no real place in the fellowship that should be being generated from the hearts and souls of the folks who people this forum......
I know there is a kind of church where people sit around and laugh and giggle, but I believe that is not taught anywhere in the Word. Correct me if I am in error about the giggle church..
Good night from Spain. God bless all who seek to please our Father in Yeshua, amen...
If people wish to be more like the believers at the time Jesus walked His earth and shortly after He ascended. What is that to you?
There are many customs and traditions of man in all the theologies of Christians, and no one is making cute remarks about them.
Most here just want to share the Word. Praise God, read His Word and believe Him. He is worthy, we certainly are not, and in not being the worthy ones, casting stones, ridicule, scoffing in the form of base humor and cartoons has no real place in the fellowship that should be being generated from the hearts and souls of the folks who people this forum......
I know there is a kind of church where people sit around and laugh and giggle, but I believe that is not taught anywhere in the Word. Correct me if I am in error about the giggle church..
Good night from Spain. God bless all who seek to please our Father in Yeshua, amen...
the opening paragraph is something i've been considering lately.
in a different way:
The Influence of the Hebrew Roots movement (HRM) has grown by leaps and bounds over the last century in America. It's impact in this end time is being felt in all areas of Christendom of those who call Jesus Lord. For those who are Born of the Spirit, if they are bereans and study the scriptures comparing this movement with the Gospel given to the NT church, they would see bright flashing danger signs. Sad to say, many are being deceived.
1 Corinthians 11:19
for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
how can ppl be so careless about Paul's CURSING of the men who bring us the judaized "gospel"; loving instead tzitzit and feast days.....i dunno.
scriptures says after the 3rd to.....hmm....
in a different way:
The Influence of the Hebrew Roots movement (HRM) has grown by leaps and bounds over the last century in America. It's impact in this end time is being felt in all areas of Christendom of those who call Jesus Lord. For those who are Born of the Spirit, if they are bereans and study the scriptures comparing this movement with the Gospel given to the NT church, they would see bright flashing danger signs. Sad to say, many are being deceived.
1 Corinthians 11:19
for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
how can ppl be so careless about Paul's CURSING of the men who bring us the judaized "gospel"; loving instead tzitzit and feast days.....i dunno.
scriptures says after the 3rd to.....hmm....
I have a wonderful praise report to post, but I saw this, and it is proper to address it. Did I say dress up? Do you think I am rabbinical? The rabbinicals are the ones who wear kepas, tzit-tzit, and whatever else, and if they wish to, that is their burden, but do not put that one me.
You may worship as you are given, and I believe I may also. I do not come here declaring people must do as I do or even as I say, but when people sound that way to me, I speak.
Now, my always bottom line is to worship and believe Yeshua. To read His Word.
As for rabbincal teachings, this is exactly what Yeshua did not like about the scribes and the Pharisees who dreamed up heavy burdens for the faithful while they would not lift a finger to move themselves. And so goes theologies..........many today are doing exactly what they were doing the first advent of our Lord.
Read any of my posts carefully, I may share what I do, and what I believe, but I sure do not tell people they must be like I, that would be rabbinical or like many so-called teachers today. God bless you. Read and believe the Word, and worship God, amen.
You may worship as you are given, and I believe I may also. I do not come here declaring people must do as I do or even as I say, but when people sound that way to me, I speak.
Now, my always bottom line is to worship and believe Yeshua. To read His Word.
As for rabbincal teachings, this is exactly what Yeshua did not like about the scribes and the Pharisees who dreamed up heavy burdens for the faithful while they would not lift a finger to move themselves. And so goes theologies..........many today are doing exactly what they were doing the first advent of our Lord.
Read any of my posts carefully, I may share what I do, and what I believe, but I sure do not tell people they must be like I, that would be rabbinical or like many so-called teachers today. God bless you. Read and believe the Word, and worship God, amen.
If it is offensive to Jews, do you believe this gives you the authority or right to be offensive to them? Do not think in your heart you will return the same evil on the one who has wronged you, at least in you imagination. Why not let others be? If you have a message of love, faith and hope, by all means please share it, pass it on, but ridicule is not becoming any believer. Also, do not infer in any manner that I am rabbinical to any degree. It is hardly rabbinical to call Yeshua by the name I feel closest to what He was called by His family and the Twelve. I indicate this because I suspect that may be next, thus it is nipped. I would like all, including you, to be great in the Kingdom.
IT'S OFFENSIVE TO JEWS
more like them in what way?
wearing robes and sandals?
being burned alive or crucified?
living on a commune in Israel isn't how the israelites lived 2000 years ago.
this is all so religiously PRETENTIOUS.
arg.
more like them in what way?
wearing robes and sandals?
being burned alive or crucified?
living on a commune in Israel isn't how the israelites lived 2000 years ago.
this is all so religiously PRETENTIOUS.
arg.
We know the organized church is solidly against the movement. My doctor of theology pastor tells me to be careful of too much involvement with the OT. He refuses to help me think and pray it through.
I searched for a headquarters and could find none, it seems to be more an idea of including God the Father more closely in worship than most other church denominations do, and the idea of gentile and Jew as one under Christ. I have gone to the website of many of them to explore their beliefs and I have found none who are not Christian, or who say it is through rituals we are saved. Most use rituals in their worship. All study the OT principles that God gives there and none that I have explored exclude those principles as they are followed and completed in the NT. The only way I have read of the rituals used is in reverence of God, and always Christ is included as Christ forgives their sin, the rituals don't.
The church could be difficult for a Baptist, Methodist, etc. because they would want to go to church on Sunday and that church would be on Saturday. They would want Easter Service, and that service celebrating the resurrection would be a Seder on a different date. They would want to sit quietly in their pew and listen, and the service would have member involvement.
But for most of the services, just as Paul explained in Galatians, the gospel and Christ is what it comes down to, and that is what this church comes down to, too.
I searched for a headquarters and could find none, it seems to be more an idea of including God the Father more closely in worship than most other church denominations do, and the idea of gentile and Jew as one under Christ. I have gone to the website of many of them to explore their beliefs and I have found none who are not Christian, or who say it is through rituals we are saved. Most use rituals in their worship. All study the OT principles that God gives there and none that I have explored exclude those principles as they are followed and completed in the NT. The only way I have read of the rituals used is in reverence of God, and always Christ is included as Christ forgives their sin, the rituals don't.
The church could be difficult for a Baptist, Methodist, etc. because they would want to go to church on Sunday and that church would be on Saturday. They would want Easter Service, and that service celebrating the resurrection would be a Seder on a different date. They would want to sit quietly in their pew and listen, and the service would have member involvement.
But for most of the services, just as Paul explained in Galatians, the gospel and Christ is what it comes down to, and that is what this church comes down to, too.
We're called to be in the Light as He is in the Light. Pretending to be something we are not isn't exactly doing that.
Certain things are funny that the super religious do. You don't think that the popes giant hat is a little bit funny? Come on... Just a little bit??
You must think something is funny. Don't you ever laugh? or do you wait until your allotted time and in your allotted place? That's causing me to chuckle a little just thinking about you in your laughing room...
I laugh in church sometimes. I laugh at work sometimes. I laugh at home sometimes.
I don't think it is a bad thing. Try it out. See if you like it. Take it easy though, don't overdo it your first time... lol
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The Old Testament (or Torah) is not the greater revelation, nor does the OT shine light on the NT, the NT opens and reveals the OT and shows what the symbols and shadows really meant. The DEEPER things of God are found in the NT, not the OT, because Christ is revealed in all of his glory in the NT. We are rooted, all of us, in CHRIST and while the OT is filled with the glory of the Lord, the NT opens up and reveals His glory in splendor and shows us that intimacy with Christ comes through his sacrifice which surpasses all that went before. Emphasis on the Torah over the NT is emphasizing that which could not save. The Holy Spirit given to all those who are in Christ Jesus, gives us understanding and leads us into all truth, not the Torah.
The Old Testament (or Torah) is not the greater revelation, nor does the OT shine light on the NT, the NT opens and reveals the OT and shows what the symbols and shadows really meant. The DEEPER things of God are found in the NT, not the OT, because Christ is revealed in all of his glory in the NT. We are rooted, all of us, in CHRIST and while the OT is filled with the glory of the Lord, the NT opens up and reveals His glory in splendor and shows us that intimacy with Christ comes through his sacrifice which surpasses all that went before. Emphasis on the Torah over the NT is emphasizing that which could not save. The Holy Spirit given to all those who are in Christ Jesus, gives us understanding and leads us into all truth, not the Torah.