Rock Music - It Kills - Another good & informative article by Terry Watkins
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Well my church plays really cool music. I think it is a more modern type music they play , such as whats on the christian radio today. They have the bass guitar and drums at my church and we just LOVE it. I didnt go for the music to begin with. it jsut so happened that someone told me about REAL LIFE CHRISTIAN CHURCH and how a lot of addicts go there . so my bf and I went and we have been going back ever since. I absolutely love it!!!!
Reading all of the propaganda by chosenbyhim, I am none the wiser, instead I am more confused, especailly with issues of drums, I read that drums are evil, as the King James does not mention drums and drums are used for occult purposes, therefore I am getting the indication that all drums are evil, especially when used to produce evil music for satan like Rock and Roll and style.
If this is the case, if drums are instruments of satan, then why are we told Orchestral music is ok to listen to? Thing is, most Orchestral music uses drums, infact Orchestras have big bad evil stantic drums, bigger than anything you find being played by evil satan worshipers playing thier drums on stage.
Another thing I am confused over, but again has not been properly awnsered is content and objectives. As pointed out numerous times, many operas and other compositions are actully about satan and demons and occult, a number of composers have claimed to sold thier souls to Satan and have had music from demons and satan given to them. Yet according to chosenbyhim and his cult, its perfectly fine to listen to this music as it does not "excite the flesh".
SO you can see the contradictions and cracks in this flawed argument.
if we are to follow King James Only Cult to the letter, then we should not listen to almost any type of music, even having your TV turned on or watching a film is impossible, all thanks to those evil satanic drums being played.
If this is not the case, then this is contridictory to the King James Bible, so which is flawed. Cults make things up as they go along, this is no different from King James Only Cult, problem is with making things up as you go along, you end up with flaws and contridictions, which are being exposed daily just from these threads on CC. Yet people still blindly follow the cult.
this is a famous composition, Also sprach Zarathustra by Richard Strauss, most people know it as theme from 2001 Space Odessy. It is based on poems by Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophical idealogy, which is from Godly.
[video=youtube;Szdziw4tI9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o[/video]
If this is the case, if drums are instruments of satan, then why are we told Orchestral music is ok to listen to? Thing is, most Orchestral music uses drums, infact Orchestras have big bad evil stantic drums, bigger than anything you find being played by evil satan worshipers playing thier drums on stage.
Another thing I am confused over, but again has not been properly awnsered is content and objectives. As pointed out numerous times, many operas and other compositions are actully about satan and demons and occult, a number of composers have claimed to sold thier souls to Satan and have had music from demons and satan given to them. Yet according to chosenbyhim and his cult, its perfectly fine to listen to this music as it does not "excite the flesh".
SO you can see the contradictions and cracks in this flawed argument.
if we are to follow King James Only Cult to the letter, then we should not listen to almost any type of music, even having your TV turned on or watching a film is impossible, all thanks to those evil satanic drums being played.
If this is not the case, then this is contridictory to the King James Bible, so which is flawed. Cults make things up as they go along, this is no different from King James Only Cult, problem is with making things up as you go along, you end up with flaws and contridictions, which are being exposed daily just from these threads on CC. Yet people still blindly follow the cult.
this is a famous composition, Also sprach Zarathustra by Richard Strauss, most people know it as theme from 2001 Space Odessy. It is based on poems by Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophical idealogy, which is from Godly.
[video=youtube;Szdziw4tI9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o[/video]
Well that might be so Sarah, I already told you, I really don't listen to classical music. I listen to the Hymns. The Hymns are true spiritual music. Not pagan, satanic, rebellious rock and roll.
Plus, I already told you that I would look further into the other side of Classical music.
Did I say that? Again, I told you that I have not looked into the issue with Classical music. Although I am starting to see it a little bit more clearly. Again, I will have to study it more, just like I have studied the Rock music issue.
Here is the standard. If the lost world loves it, the Lord does not. That is the standard Sarah.
Does the music it self have an emphasis on melody and harmony? Or does it place more emphasis on the rhythm?
Does the music appeal to the flesh? And to the carnal nature? If it does, then it is not the right kind of music.
Also, is the music doctrinally correct?
That is another thing Sarah that you may want to consider.
Also, with some common sense and discernment, any Christian should be able to tell which music is Godly and which is not.
And again, one of the main standards is that if the world loves it, then the Lord does not.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. - 1 John 2:15-16 (King James Bible)
Rock n' roll is of the world Sarah. It is not of the Lord.
Rock music comes from Pagan voodoism. Case closed. It is not of the Lord. There are several standards a Christian is to go by for good Christian music. What you have going on today in the CCM Movement is now celebrity driven. The focus is not on the Lord. But the focus is on the musician.
Also, Christian music is not to evangelize the world. Biblical Preaching saves souls, not music.
And Christian music is for the Lord.
11 Sing praises to the Lord, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings. - Psalm 9:11 (King James Bible)
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; - Ephesians 5:19 (King James Bible)
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. - Colossians 3:16 (King James Bible)
Actually it does matter Sarah what type of music you listen to. Because music is not neutral. A lot of the CCMers may want to think that it is, but that is not the case. There is a fowl and rebellious spirit behind the whole rock n' roll. Whether it is considered "Christian" or secular. Again, there is no such thing as Christian rock, just like there is no such thing as Christian hip hop. Hip hop, R & B, rock n' roll are of the world.
Sarah, here is the thing. The whole history of rock n' roll shows that it is pagan. Even the secular artists who play rock n' roll admit that the music is about rebellion and satan worship. So whether the rock music has good, clean lyrics to it or not, still that kind of music is not pleasing to the Lord, because He already gave us His standard for Christian music in His word.
Sarah, if you want to continue listening to rock, then go on ahead. If you don't feel any conviction about it, well then do what you want to do. The whole purpose of starting this thread was to simply share the truth about the whole rock music issue. And to make the brethren aware that it is not of the Lord. For those that want to take it into consideration by taking it to the Lord in prayer, than that is great. But if there are those who just won't have anything to do with it, well then that is their choice, just like it is your choice Sarah.
One other thing though, a true Bible believer who has been shown the CCM music issue would take a position of humility. It is a humbling thing to learn about the issue over the contemporary Christian music movement and scene. I am thankful to the Lord that He has opened my eyes to this truth. And now I am just to share it with the brethren. And again; I know not all will accept this truth. But I still have a responsibility to take a stand for the truth. Truth is not popular Sarah. And again; I have said this before, and that is that truth is a very small movement.
No, I was discussing this issue with Sarah.
Agricola, you cannot handle the truth so you end up resorting to name calling.
When you look over the information I have already shared, then I will consider dealing with your arguments.
No matter how much you call us Bible believers a cult does not make it true. There are Bible believers who have studied under Peter Ruckman and they end up moving on to becoming street preachers and soul winners for the Lord. And they have their own free independent thought. Bible belief leads to street preaching, tracting, soul winning, door to door knocking, and confidence in the authority of the word of God.
You better get on the right side of this Bible Version Issue. There is not too much time left.
Agricola, you cannot handle the truth so you end up resorting to name calling.
When you look over the information I have already shared, then I will consider dealing with your arguments.
No matter how much you call us Bible believers a cult does not make it true. There are Bible believers who have studied under Peter Ruckman and they end up moving on to becoming street preachers and soul winners for the Lord. And they have their own free independent thought. Bible belief leads to street preaching, tracting, soul winning, door to door knocking, and confidence in the authority of the word of God.
You better get on the right side of this Bible Version Issue. There is not too much time left.
Is that a threat?
Where Am i Name calling? Unless you consider my statement that King James Only Cult is a Cult, then yes I am guilty for calling your cult a cult.
Shows you how little attention you do pay to my posts, if you did pay attention you see that I regulary refer back to your copy and paste.
Your post also demonstrates how you are a part of a cult with the langauge you are using and the way you keep on refering to your group as the "only true Bible Beleivers" and that I must join you ... or else.
Where Am i Name calling? Unless you consider my statement that King James Only Cult is a Cult, then yes I am guilty for calling your cult a cult.
Shows you how little attention you do pay to my posts, if you did pay attention you see that I regulary refer back to your copy and paste.
Your post also demonstrates how you are a part of a cult with the langauge you are using and the way you keep on refering to your group as the "only true Bible Beleivers" and that I must join you ... or else.
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Well Yes Sarah; as far as the evidence goes, and the science backing what I have shared with you already in regard to the rock music issue. Again, take this to the Lord in prayer, because ultimately it is He that can reveal this truth to you.
And the truth is that rock music is not of the Lord. And neither is hip hop, or r&b, or any other pagan type of music.
The ultimate test is that if the world loves the music, then it is not loved by the Lord.
15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. - 1 John 2:15 (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. - Luke 16:15 (KJV)
31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges. - Deuteronomy 32:31 (KJV)
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord.
16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. - Jeremiah 6:15-16 (KJV)
I wouldn't say any particular style
Of music or any type of instrument is Satanic. That's outrageous. What if someone was singing a song praising the devil whilst plucking a Harp? What if someone was praising God over an overdriven drop tuned guitar?
Music Is sound, to claim one type of sound isn't godly is ridiculous. It's all about the message
Of music or any type of instrument is Satanic. That's outrageous. What if someone was singing a song praising the devil whilst plucking a Harp? What if someone was praising God over an overdriven drop tuned guitar?
Music Is sound, to claim one type of sound isn't godly is ridiculous. It's all about the message
Chosen,
I have taken it to the Lord and it always goes back to discernment. Of course a lot of it is not of the Lord but there is some. All forms of music have worldly music also,those who put so much effort into this almost NEVER speak about the rest. When you ask them to define where it crosses over from spiritual to satanic they can not define the timing,where does the beat change over from spiritual to worldly. Can you explain where it does? If you can't then how is one suppose to know?
Never mind the fact that you guys do quote people who do use it for wrong. Everything on this earth that God has given us can be twisted,it can be used either for good or for evil. Never mind the fact that one of the guys your using LIED about some of the groups,but that never enters the minds of those who use those sites to "prove" their point.
Never mind the fact that King David,the man after God's own heart danced before the Lord in the street,had a 4,000 piece band,(You all think 4 guys playing guitar with a couple of amps are loud).
Never mind Psalm 150 KJV by the way
[h=3]Psalm 150[/h]
Psalm 98:3-5 KJV
3 He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
4 Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
5 Sing unto the Lord with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the Lord, the King.
Psalm 100
100 Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands.
2 Serve the Lord with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
5 For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
Please show me any where in those verses where we are told that the music that we sing to the Lord be quiet and sedate. It can be a loud,joyful noise before the Lord. The key is always in spirit and in truth. The sad part about it is that the same people who are so much against it are the very same people that will yell and scream at the TV when their favorite football player scores a touchdown from 50 yards away yet they can NEVER show the same type of excitement towards the Lord and creator of the entire universe. Isn't that a bit backwards?
I have taken it to the Lord and it always goes back to discernment. Of course a lot of it is not of the Lord but there is some. All forms of music have worldly music also,those who put so much effort into this almost NEVER speak about the rest. When you ask them to define where it crosses over from spiritual to satanic they can not define the timing,where does the beat change over from spiritual to worldly. Can you explain where it does? If you can't then how is one suppose to know?
Never mind the fact that you guys do quote people who do use it for wrong. Everything on this earth that God has given us can be twisted,it can be used either for good or for evil. Never mind the fact that one of the guys your using LIED about some of the groups,but that never enters the minds of those who use those sites to "prove" their point.
Never mind the fact that King David,the man after God's own heart danced before the Lord in the street,had a 4,000 piece band,(You all think 4 guys playing guitar with a couple of amps are loud).
Never mind Psalm 150 KJV by the way
[h=3]Psalm 150[/h]
1
Praise ye the Lord.Praise God in his sanctuary:
praise him in the firmament of his power.
2 Praise him for his mighty acts:
praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet:
praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance:
praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals:
praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6
praise him in the firmament of his power.
2 Praise him for his mighty acts:
praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet:
praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance:
praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals:
praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6
Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord.Praise ye the Lord.
Psalm 66
66 Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands:2 Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious.
[h=3]Psalm 81[/h]Psalm 66
66 Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands:2 Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious.
King James Version (KJV)
81 Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
[h=3]Psalm 95[/h]
King James Version (KJV)
95 O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.2 Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms.
Psalm 98:3-5 KJV
3 He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
4 Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
5 Sing unto the Lord with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the Lord, the King.
Psalm 100
100 Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands.
2 Serve the Lord with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
5 For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
Please show me any where in those verses where we are told that the music that we sing to the Lord be quiet and sedate. It can be a loud,joyful noise before the Lord. The key is always in spirit and in truth. The sad part about it is that the same people who are so much against it are the very same people that will yell and scream at the TV when their favorite football player scores a touchdown from 50 yards away yet they can NEVER show the same type of excitement towards the Lord and creator of the entire universe. Isn't that a bit backwards?