Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So if I give a minimum of 10% to my church, and am constantly serving and giving to others as the need arises, am I tithing according to the law?

The tithe under the law was not an income tax as today's version of tithing is. Only people who raised livestock or crops payed tithes. Jesus and the disciples didn't pay tithes because they worked and were owed wages. The only people who payed tithes were those who labored and were owed nothing; they received their increase as a gift from GOD himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you implying that I don't need to tithe at all to my church?

I am implying you can give all you want, give 50 % if you want. but to demand everyone must tithe because it is a command would be false.

Is there something inheritantly wrong with tithing in the manner I've described? Am I causing damage to the Kingdom of Go or my relationship with Him if I do?

lol. Your doing it because you think you are commanded to. God does not want your tithes. He did not give the church tithes..He wants you to give with an open heart. Not because your commanded to. But because you want to help.

 

[KohenMatt]

There's some good stuff there, Sarah. I like it.

So what does tithing/offering look like today for the Believer in Christ?

Eternally,

There are actually three tithes under the Mosaic law. One was for the Levites,one was for the national feats in which the people were to put it aside and then during the feats they were to eat of this tithe. There is also a third tithe every third year for the poor,fatherless,widows and aliens in the land out of which the they were to feed them out of.

The tithe was NOT land nor money,but food and only food from the land or herds or flocks.

Abraham did not give the tithe of all he had it was a tithe out of the spoils of war.

 

[KohenMatt]

I am implying you can give all you want, give 50 % if you want. but to demand everyone must tithe because it is a command would be false.


lol. Your doing it because you think you are commanded to. God does not want your tithes. He did not give the church tithes..He wants you to give with an open heart. Not because your commanded to. But because you want to help.

Wow, I didn't know that I had ever demanded everyone must tithe. Could you please refresh my memory as to where I said that? And while you're at it, could you please remind me where I implied that I'm only tithing because I think I'm commanded to, and not because I want to help?

Thanks in advance!
Matt

 

[Shiloah]

I am implying you can give all you want, give 50 % if you want. but to demand everyone must tithe because it is a command would be false.



lol. Your doing it because you think you are commanded to. God does not want your tithes. He did not give the church tithes..He wants you to give with an open heart. Not because your commanded to. But because you want to help.

I thought we did everything God asks of us because we want to.

 

[Shiloah]

Wow, I didn't know that I had ever demanded everyone must tithe. Could you please refresh my memory as to where I said that? And while you're at it, could you please remind me where I implied that I'm only tithing because I think I'm commanded to, and not because I want to help?

Thanks in advance!
Matt[/QUOTE

My cousin just graduated from KU. My grandfather did too. Just sayin.... lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow, I didn't know that I had ever demanded everyone must tithe. Could you please refresh my memory as to where I said that? And while you're at it, could you please remind me where I implied that I'm only tithing because I think I'm commanded to, and not because I want to help?

Thanks in advance!
Matt

lol. Are we supposed to be mind readers?

The topic was you following Gods commands. so how else would one interpret your tithing?

Why call it a tithe? why not call it an offering?? saying you tithe sounds like boasting.. Which was a major problems with the jews.. just one of many.

If your church does not demand it though. I am surprised, but would be thankfull of it. However, I would not call it a tithe, because it could cause some who can't tithe to have issues (thinking they are not doing Gods work)

 

[SarahM777]

That was not my point though, It was who was it given to and why?

and PS.. I am also just not talking abou the poor. I know many a people who have tithed because they thought it was commanded. And in doing so. could not pay ceasar. Even though he was counceled to get his affairs in order first. (He was not poor. he was considered middle class!) And ended up losing everything. Is this what God wants us to do??

Eternally,

I have had to struggle with also. For a long time I believed that and I was under a lot of guilt because of it. It wasn't until He got it through my head that we can give without it being money when we don't have money. Been there at times when it was hand to mouth so to speak.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought we did everything God asks of us because we want to.

Not everyone does. I know many in churches who tithe because they are commanded.. Has nothing to do with wanting to do it..

And it is not just tithing, it occure's in many areas of people lives.. thats what legalism does, and why it is so dangerous. Even true gospel believing churches can fall into this mindset.. I know. I grew up in one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally,

I have had to struggle with also. For a long time I believed that and I was under a lot of guilt because of it. It wasn't until He got it through my head that we can give without it being money when we don't have money. Been there at times when it was hand to mouth so to speak.

Yes, this is a tactic of satan I believe. It goes both ways. Like some churches I know who make people give money claiming God will bless us.. no where are we told if we give God will bless us above what we give. In fact. the nt teaches quite the opposite.

I grew up in both types at one time or another. and struggled myself!!

 

[SarahM777]

There's some good stuff there, Sarah. I like it.

So what does tithing/offering look like today for the Believer in Christ?

To give cheerfully as you determine in your heart. For a Christian it's a matter of the heart and as God has given to you.
The tithe itself is not required nor can one give the tithe as it was required under the Mosaic law unless one is a farmer.

 

[Bluecomet]

God owns everything. He only asked you for a tenth of it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God owns everything. He only asked you for a tenth of it.

Nope. he only asked certain jews for a tenth, as a sort of income tax to support the tribe of levi.

If people can give 10. thats awsome. But to claim they must give or they are in sin (whether you make it salvic or not) is not of God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God owns everything. He only asked you for a tenth of it.

No he didn't. That's a lie that religious con men teach. Research the tithe... it had nothing to do with income.

 

[KohenMatt]

lol. Are we supposed to be mind readers?

The topic was you following Gods commands. so how else would one interpret your tithing?

Why call it a tithe? why not call it an offering?? saying you tithe sounds like boasting.. Which was a major problems with the jews.. just one of many.

If your church does not demand it though. I am surprised, but would be thankfull of it. However, I would not call it a tithe, because it could cause some who can't tithe to have issues (thinking they are not doing Gods work)

It's always better to ask what someone's opinion on a matter is instead of just assuming. It is between a person and God as to what that tithe might look like. And they should give because God has laid it on their heart, and because they want to be obedient to that leading.

God our church, we put 2 baskets in the back and put this scripture up on the power point

Malachi 3:10 ""Bring the whole tithe (tenth)into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows."

And we encourage people that above all else, their very life is their offering. If God has laid on their heart to give financially, they should be obedient. I get paid once a month, and on the 1st Sabbath of the month, my 10% goes in. And every week, I have my kids pray something to the effect of them giving their lives over to God, to be used by Him in whatever way He sees fit.

 

[Bluecomet]

You spend to much time reading nonsense. You need to get back to the KJV,

 

[RickShafer]

I think it is important to submit everything you are to who you say you believe in.
Tithe is just tenth.
Pray and study the Word. God gives the increase, give it back to Him since it's His anyway.
(Another occasion where the law seems whoafully inadequate.)
Money is nothing to God.
Not a big thing at all.
Give and it will be given, (how?) - you will see.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You spend to much time reading nonsense. You need to get back to the KJV,

why go to the KJV when I can go to the origionals?

If you think the KJV is perfect. you have more issues..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's always better to ask what someone's opinion on a matter is instead of just assuming. It is between a person and God as to what that tithe might look like. And they should give because God has laid it on their heart, and because they want to be obedient to that leading.

God our church, we put 2 baskets in the back and put this scripture up on the power point

Malachi 3:10 ""Bring the whole tithe (tenth)into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows."

And we encourage people that above all else, their very life is their offering. If God has laid on their heart to give financially, they should be obedient. I get paid once a month, and on the 1st Sabbath of the month, my 10% goes in. And every week, I have my kids pray something to the effect of them giving their lives over to God, to be used by Him in whatever way He sees fit.

Sounds prety legalistic to me. Malachi was written to Israel not the church!

WHy do that? My church passes the basket once, And tells visitors not to give, let us give to them (we offer them one of two books) and we bring in millions a year.

No legalism, no forcing.. I think of churches did this more. they would find they had more money then they could handle.

 

[RedTent]

Sounds prety legalistic to me. Malachi was written to Israel not the church!

WHy do that? My church passes the basket once, And tells visitors not to give, let us give to them (we offer them one of two books) and we bring in millions a year.

No legalism, no forcing.. I think of churches did this more. they would find they had more money then they could handle.

There are some basic differences in your viewpoint. You see legalism and emptiness in the suggestions that bible gives us for how we are to live, and you have a point. You can choose to do them that way. I think that forbidding them is distorting what God says, and if people followed that it would lead to the same emptiness you say routines lead to.

It is possible to say the Lord's Prayer with emptiness in our hearts, as you say you would do. Most do not say it in that way. It leads them to praising God, leads them to asking forgiveness, leads them into forgiving others.

Most of the bible is about physical doing to explain the spiritual. That is what the parables are. The directions in worship has been taken out of our churches, they say it is so worship can be done in spirit and truth, and the result is that with no direction, most simply do not worship. I'll bet when you get up in the morning you simply go for coffee, etc. Others, when they get up in the morning first think of washing their hands as a symbol of the washing Christ does for us.

God created the physical world and pronounced it good. God often shows us His spirit by the physical world. It is ritual and symbolism not pure spirit. You are wanting, like the gnostics wanted, to only recognize the spirit and deny all that the physical doing does to point to the spirit. It don't think that is God's way.