Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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Galatians 3
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
i gave you the revealed purpose of the Law, including to whose ancestors it was give - Hebrews.
if you want to go back for the New Covenant...go back to the promise to Abram.
if you want to go into the Law given to Moses and Israel for purposes only you know (i can't read your mind), please do so.
thanks.
if you want to go back for the New Covenant...go back to the promise to Abram.
if you want to go into the Law given to Moses and Israel for purposes only you know (i can't read your mind), please do so.
thanks.
Really?
No. Christ didn't say that. He said Be Perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect. He also said come to me all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest.
That's not ignoring the Law. That is showing the purpose for the Law.
If you read the New Testament you will find that there is a purpose for the Law. If you don't read the NT you won't know what the purpose is.
Teaching the Liberty that is in Christ is for the Birds? Not being under Law is for the Birds? That is the whole reality of Christianity.
Otherwise all you have is Judaism without the sacrifices. I think that is for the birds...
God doesn't contradict Himself. He either said sin was bondage, or living outside the law is bondage.
Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I just don't like people practicing Judaism lite trying to say that the are practicing Christianity. Do one or do the other. But don't mix them.
I'm not judging God or you. If you would rather have ritual and law than go directly before the throne of Grace then that is your difficulty. In Christianity we go straight to the Lord Jesus without all the gobbledy gook in between.
No. Christ didn't say that. He said Be Perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect. He also said come to me all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest.
That's not ignoring the Law. That is showing the purpose for the Law.
If you read the New Testament you will find that there is a purpose for the Law. If you don't read the NT you won't know what the purpose is.
Teaching the Liberty that is in Christ is for the Birds? Not being under Law is for the Birds? That is the whole reality of Christianity.
Otherwise all you have is Judaism without the sacrifices. I think that is for the birds...
God doesn't contradict Himself. He either said sin was bondage, or living outside the law is bondage.
Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I just don't like people practicing Judaism lite trying to say that the are practicing Christianity. Do one or do the other. But don't mix them.
I'm not judging God or you. If you would rather have ritual and law than go directly before the throne of Grace then that is your difficulty. In Christianity we go straight to the Lord Jesus without all the gobbledy gook in between.
It's a cult, I'm a cult, your a cult........We're all a cult O.K. - - - next question
-Can't be any worse than the baggage from the last.
CULTS!
-Can't be any worse than the baggage from the last.
CULTS!
Im not in a cult because I don't trust any of you weirdos. Let's just say I have trust issues... I trust the Lord Jesus Christ. The rest of you are under suspicion... LOL
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Christ came and fulfilled the law by sacrificing Himself as the perfect lamb, which obviously fulfilled the sacrificial laws put into place as a sign of His coming because He would sacrifice Himself. He Himself said that if we love Him we will keep His commandments. Obviously all the other 10 commandments have not been done away with but the sabbath law according to man. Hence, you still recognize that we should keep those others. That proves those laws were not done away with because they were not about being fulfilled. They were to show us what sin is. This has been established every which way possible. You simply don't understand that the laws we're no longer under are the sacrificial laws, and that by keeping the others, we cannot be saved, but that only through Christ and proving that we're in Christ by doing what He says, can we be saved. NOW, we keep not the letter of the law, we keep the law under grace BECAUSE JESUS ASKED US TO. We ARE NOT SAVED by keeping it, we do it because He ASKS US TO.
There's no other way to say this. If you can't see this by now after all the explanations given here by Kohen and others, there's no way to explain it to you that you will understand.
There's no other way to say this. If you can't see this by now after all the explanations given here by Kohen and others, there's no way to explain it to you that you will understand.
Acts 15
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
some people never, ever learn.
JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED.
plus NOTHING
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
some people never, ever learn.
JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED.
plus NOTHING