stepping away from the pentacostal movement

[ChosenbyHim]

The best way I can answer some of your questions is to share what happened to me at this church, I was openly mocked, humiliated, and torn down. At first I didn't realize what was happening because it was so subtle. I am a writer and when I made known my desire to write a book, I was laughed at "who, you! You can't possibly be serious! " I also have always had a heart for the mission field, but every opportunity that presented itself, my "leaders" shot me down, everything I did was a sin, I couldn't do anything right, even the way I walk is sin, I was told I walk too seductive and the devil is using me to bring down men of God, I have an autoimmune disease and I was told I'm sick because there is secret sin in my heart, everyone that leaves the church and later wants to come back gets shunned, if you talk about leaving, your told that you were never truly saved, and watch out or God might strike you down for leaving His church, there is big talk about commitment, but it's more about being committed to the church rather than Jesus, there's even a worship song praising the church, other churches are openly mocked, they call them "the church of the chosen frozen" if you go to your leaders with any concerns your told "your not spiritually mature, if you feel the need to question our authority "because your leaders have ultimate authority over your life. At the end of some sermons, the pastor will tell the congregation "everyone that can speak in tongues, speak them now " I have always had a problem with this, because speaking in tongues should be led by the holy spirit, not by man. This is just the tip of what goes on.

And I am sorry Carey, that you have had such a bad experience at the pentecostal church which you used to attend. It is very unfortunate that there are professing Christians that could be that senseless and mean and cold. Just unbelievable. And your suspicions were right. In fact, tongues is not for today. Tongues are for a sign.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. - 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)

And it is the Jews which require a sign (See 1 Cor. 1:22).

Therefore the whole modern tongues movement is false.

A lot of times, these "tongues" that the Charismatics and pentecostals are blibbering and blabbering is all made up.

Tongues are simply languages. If you speak English, well you speak only one tongue. But if you speak English, Spanish, and Chinese, well then you speak in three tongues.

 

[Stephen63]

carey and ed2,

I agree with pretty much everything you said. About a year ago I switched from the Assemblies of God to the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. Many doctrines and behaviors in the AoG, I found, were things I ended up disagreeing with.

It surprises me that nobody in the Pentecostal movement has stepped up to aggressively defend their doctrines. I imagine they will show up before too long. Then I foresee this thread becoming another debate thread.

Let's hope your prophetic "forseeing" is correct. Otherwise................

 

[Elizabeth619]

... because the CoC has trouble with biblical understandings of the nature of man.

Why must you constantly berate my beliefs everytime I mention the CoC? Does it make you more righteous to speak in such a haughty way? Are you more of a Christian now that you slander the church even more? Yes. I said slander since its been expressed to you numerous times your allegations are false.

It's pretty interesting how you and I agree on the majority of the discussions we have on here. Then when Church of Christ comes up youre bashing.
This is the last time I will ask you this. PLEASE refrain from the derogatory comments. You have the right to disagree, but you can do so without berating my salvation.

 

[Stephen63]

Wouldn't it be nice if everybody that does this would stop?

 

[jimmydiggs]

but you can do so without berating my salvation.

Never attacked your salvation, just the tabula rasa of the CoC.


To the OP, anything in an orthodox direction is better than pentecostalism in most cases. Even the CoC would be better because they're only semi-pelagian, whereas a lot of pentecostalism is pelagian.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Bryan Denlinger

David Peacock

Richard Sowell

Gregory A. Miller

Lester Roloff

I don't think it's a very good idea to recommend cultists.

 

[Stephen63]

Never attacked your salvation, just the tabula rasa of the CoC.


To the OP, anything in an orthodox direction is better than pentecostalism in most cases. Even the CoC would be better because they're only semi-pelagian, whereas a lot of pentecostalism is pelagian.

Really? I'm in a Pentecostal denomination, & neither I nor them believe that!

John 6:44 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Wouldn't it be nice if everybody that does this would stop?

I've been guilty of it and I'd rather not stoop to those levels anymore ive rose above it.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Really? I'm in a Pentecostal denomination, & neither I nor them believe that!

John 6:44 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

That's why I said he was speaking slander. Well, I guess it would be more libel. Either way its a lie

 

[carey]

Can we please stop the denomination bashing, I started this thread for genuine help, not as a platform to say "my church is better than your's" didn't we all come to the cross on calvary, didn't we all reckognise we need a saviour? So please stop

@Elizabeth
Do you have any pastors I can look up online?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Can we please stop the denomination bashing, I started this thread for genuine help, not as a platform to say "my church is better than your's" didn't we all come to the cross on calvary, didn't we all reckognise we need a saviour? So please stop

@Elizabeth
Do you have any pastors I can look up online?

Yes. I'm on my phone but when I get on the computer ill send you some links.

 

[kenisyes]

Can we please stop the denomination bashing, I started this thread for genuine help, not as a platform to say "my church is better than your's" didn't we all come to the cross on calvary, didn't we all reckognise we need a saviour? So please stop

@Elizabeth
Do you have any pastors I can look up online?

Did you see my original response to you (post 25)? There is a reason people are thrown out of churches. In many cases, it is because they are called to something the church cannot understand. Your case sounds to me like one of them. The solution is to determine your calling, and to minister with that calling. You are at this point about 10 years earlier than the average, but there are many people at CC who have been called to something similar. If this is correct, your pastor is Jesus Himself from now on. You need only a group who will accept you for what God has made you, and pray with you.

The early church (as witnessed in I Clement Corinthians, ch. 54) taught that such people as you, are free to leave, and to go to the world. The church is wrong to have done to you what they did, but you do not need to let it affect your life and ministry. As Clement puts it "the earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof, so you will be received wherever you go". He also says "let the church be at peace with their pastor". Here's a good translation: First Clement: Clement of Rome. This is where the early "wandering apostles and prophets" come from (Didache, ch. 11-13 Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).). Pentacostalism was restored so these ministries could be restored. The churches often prepare people for this without even realizing this is what God is calling them to do, and since these writings only support Scripture, but are not taught from basics by it, the concepts are not taught as much as they should be.

 

[shawntc]

Let's hope your prophetic "forseeing" is correct. Otherwise................

You know, it's funny, I never was given the gift of prophecy. Or tongues. I guess I just wasn't a very good Pentecostal. XD

 

[superdave5221]

Hello Carey,

Peace and God's blessings to you.

Jesus warned us that in the latter days there would be many false christs and false teachers. This can be seen today in the cults, Roman Catholicism, and the emergent church. Many churches today have watered down the gospel, and refuse to even speak of hell or sin, or repentance. Biblical doctrine is ignored, and instead, we are told to concentrate on our feelings, emotions, and experiences. Jeremiah said that the human heart is desparately wicked, and that it can't be understood (Jer. 17:9). And yet, we are told to look there for wisdom and God's will.

I also have experienced some of what you are talking about, although not with Pentacostalism. What many people have is knowledge, but what they lack is discernment.

How do we attain discernment?

1. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. (Psalms 111:10; Proverbs 1:7; 9:10).

We are all deserving of Hell, every one of us. God's righteous judgement is something to be feared. This should lead us to a godly repentance, (2 Cor. 7:9) leading to salvation through the blood of our Savior Jesus Christ. Once we are saved, we no longer need fear for our salvation, yet we still need to fear the discipline of God in our lives (Heb. 12:5).

2. Seek God's will in our lives. Where do we find God's will? Doctrine is, by definition, the will of God. We learn doctrine by studying doctrine in the bible. So many churches today have put doctrine on the back burner, seeking instead to entertain their attendees and make them feel good about themselves. Others, like your Pentecostal experience, seek for signs and wonders, rather than learn God's will and let Holy Spirit apply it in their lives. Believe me, the more you study doctrine, and allow Holy Spirit to lead you, the stronger will your relationship with Jesus Christ grow and the greater the discernment you will have (Hebrews 8:10).

3. Obedience. We must not only learn the will of God, but apply it in our lives. The more we obey the will of God the stronger will be our love for Jesus Christ that will be the motivating factor behind that obedience. As we grow in our relationship with Christ, the more we will obey, not out of a sense of legalism, but because we want to please Him. This is the kind of obedience that God wills for our lives, and with our growing walk with Christ, the greater the discernment of His will, as we walk in it, (John 7:17).

4. Prayer. How can we have a relationship with someone when we don't communicate with them? This is an area of my life that I struggle with. I don't pray nearly as much as I should. Most people I have talked to have said the same thing. Pray often. When you have problems, don't try to solve them yourself without God's help. God wants to help you!! Let Him!! It will be very beneficial for you.

If you do all of the things I have listed above, I am confident that God will lead you to the right bible believing church. I will pray for you also, and hopefully everyone who reads your thread will also include you in their prayers.

God bless

 

[ABMF]

" Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Matthew 15

And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.” Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?” Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.

Every single denominational church is not of God. It is demon inspired to divide and hover over certain beliefs and religious ideas, cut off isolate and so forth. The denominational system of our day is the modern day Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes, (include the Scribes with that). The Church of Christ, although it claims not to be denominational, is. The head of that religious devil is slowly starting to poke its head out of the sand. Churches of every denomination fall into the category of Mystery Babylon and those who are in its systems who do not come out, will perish with it.

 

[Elizabeth619]

" Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Matthew 15

And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.” Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?” Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.

Every single denominational church is not of God. It is demon inspired to divide and hover over certain beliefs and religious ideas, cut off isolate and so forth. The denominational system of our day is the modern day Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes, (include the Scribes with that). The Church of Christ, although it claims not to be denominational, is. The head of that religious devil is slowly starting to poke its head out of the sand. Churches of every denomination fall into the category of Mystery Babylon and those who are in its systems who do not come out, will perish with it.

It was proven to you in another thread you don't know what the CoC believes. Also this is not a congregational bashing thread. You're being very disrespectful to many here.
Are you another Darwin Fish follower?

 

[J-Kay]

Carey, When I spoke of my experience re: the Charismatic movement, I
did not mean to imply they were in error in all things taught. I just have
issues with the fact if we belong to a certain Church it makes us better than
another denomination. I consider myself Full Gospel Believer, rather than
any particular denomination. I do not believe in hyper-faith movement. It
is just me, but I am not going to say any certain church is the best. IMO, the
best Church is the one Jesus Is Lord and God is Revered, the Word of God
is taught, His love is shown to everyone inside the Church and outside the
Church to the un-churched. I am contented to be alone with the Lord in my
home at this time.

I pray you see your dream to write your book, fulfilled. You sound like you
have your head on straight and your love for Jesus is precious and you bring
joy to those around you.

God bless you.

 

[ABMF]

It was proven to you in another thread you don't know what the CoC believes. Also this is not a congregational bashing thread. You're being very disrespectful to many here.
Are you another Darwin Fish follower?

Really? What thread proved I did not know what the Church of Christ Believed? Strange, I never saw that one. I assure you I do know what the Church of Christ believes. People are not born sinners! The book of Revelations is not for today!! Its already past!! Salvation is by repentance and Water baptism only!! You must be water baptised to be saved! ...how am I doing?

 

[JaumeJ]

That comment on the C of C cannot be true. Were I to say I thought this would insult my own family, in Yeshua and in the flesh. You did say when you got your fingers off the phone pad you would post, welcome back.

I do agree with a lot of the post in question, but I know all who love Yeshua are my family. If they or I are temporarily deceived, the Lord will straighten out everything for us all in His good time. People are only diabolical if they are so purposely, and I do not see denominations in that light, also taking into overall understanding the teaching of all the children of the most High God being called out of her...............take it from there. It does not take a great thinker to see the ramifications and consequences to come. Yahweh is good all of the time....amen.

It was proven to you in another thread you don't know what the CoC believes. Also this is not a congregational bashing thread. You're being very disrespectful to many here.
Are you another Darwin Fish follower?

 

[ABMF]

Really? What thread proved I did not know what the Church of Christ Believed? Strange, I never saw that one. I assure you I do know what the Church of Christ believes. People are not born sinners! The book of Revelations is not for today!! Its already past!! Salvation is by repentance and Water baptism only!! You must be water baptised to be saved! ...how am I doing?

One more I would like to add. No worshiping God with musical instruments.