Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles?

[NiceneCreed]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

You can't wipe out the CLEAR command of God by quoting an obscure verse at the end of Romans.

Me thinks folks are missing the point of this thread.

I am not wiping out God's command by quoting a "not so obscure" verse from Romans. Anyone who has briefly studied egalitarianism and complementarianism would be familiar with Romans 16:1-7. Additionally, we are a dealing with an instance of logical equivalence here, as God's Word cannot contradict itself. Yet, when reading Scripture, we must always take into consideration historical-cultural context, as well as literal and literary meaning. It should be clear the women of Corinth, Greece were being quite disruptive during church services, and Paul's command that women be silent seems to be situational. Concerning 1 Timothy 2:11-14, while Paul is correct in stating Eve was deceived, Adam was present at the time Eve was tempted to eat of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Additionally, Adam had full knowledge he was not to eat of the fruit, yet he did so regardless.

Lastly, while I will be the first to admit I am no expert concerning this topic of discussion and need to study it further, I have taken into consideration Galatians 3:28, also. We should not forget that it was women who were present at the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And I am surprised you did not ask me about Luke 19:40, considering America has seen a 5% decline in Protestantism per decade since the 1950's, and yet men have failed to answer the call. Are women also unable to fulfill 'The Great Commission,' as commanded by Christ that all Christians participate in?

 

[1still_waters]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

I am not wiping out God's command by quoting a "not so obscure" verse from Romans. Anyone who has briefly studied egalitarianism and complementarianism would be familiar with Romans 16:1-7. Additionally, we are a dealing with an instance of logical equivalence here, as God's Word cannot contradict itself. Yet, when reading Scripture, we must always take into consideration historical-cultural context, as well as literal and literary meaning. It should be clear the women of Corinth, Greece were being quite disruptive during church services, and Paul's command women be silent seems to be situational. Concerning 1 Timothy 2:11-14, while Paul is correct in stating Eve was deceived, Adam was present at the time Eve was tempted to eat of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Additionally, Adam had full knowledge he was not to eat of the fruit, yet he did so regardless.

Lastly, while I will be the first to admit I am no expert concerning this topic of discussion and need to study it further, I have taken into consideration Galatians 3:28, also. We should not forget that it was women who were present at the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And I am surprised you did not ask me about Luke 19:40, considering America has seen a 5% decline in Protestantism per decade since the 1950's, and yet men have failed to answer the call. Are women also unable to fulfill 'The Great Commission,' as commanded by Christ that all Christians participate in?

Most literal translations call Phoebe a servant.
The NIV calls her a deaconess.

 

[NiceneCreed]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Most literal translations call Phoebe a servant.
The NIV calls her a deaconess.

You didn't read anything else I wrote, did you? You are avoiding Luke 19:40 like the plague -- not to mention Galatians 3:28, or the fact Genesis 3:16 is not a mandate given by God.

 

[Angela53510]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

1 still_waters, I keep wondering why you ignore my exegesis of the Greek?

Authority is NOT the proper word in 1 Tim. 2:12. It is not from the Greek exousia, which is the authority used of Christ and God.

It is a word used ONCE in the whole Bible, it is authentein, and when you compare it to contemporaneous sources, meaning manuscripts written in Koine Greek at the same time, it has over FORTY different meanings, including murder, and copulation!! (OK, I never said that before, but that is the truth!) So how can you, a man who doesn't know Greek even begin to say this is a definitive scripture when even the Bible translators have no idea how to properly translate it!???

1 Tim 2:12 was written to a young pastor of one of the most difficult churches in the Christian world, about a specific situation. By making it universal, you destroy both the context and the meaning inherent in the text.

1 Tim 2:12 is spurious to the modern church. As far as 1 Cor. 14, and telling women to be silent, only 2 chapters early Paul was instructing the women how to pray and prophecy - with covered heads!! Yet I do not see you demanding women wear head coverings, because even you know it is NOT universal.

Do not take a private letter and apply it to all the church. Do not take a letter to a church in the evil town of Corinth, which had numerous personal and individual issues, and use those two single scriptures to parrot a repugnant doctrine which is untrue to God's Holy Word!

The only authority is Christ!

 

[NiceneCreed]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Most literal translations call Phoebe a servant.
The NIV calls her a deaconess.

A deacon is a servant. But remember that Christ also came to serve.

 

[1still_waters]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

It should be clear the women of Corinth, Greece were being quite disruptive during church services, and Paul's command that women be silent seems to be situational. Concerning 1 Timothy 2:11-14, ?

Paul doesn't appeal to disruption as the reason for what he says in 1 tim 2.
He appeals to the order of creation.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; [SUP]9 [/SUP]in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

Further in 1 Cor 14...He appeals to the Lord's command and to it being in all the churches. Nothing about so called disruption or exclusive to one or two churches.

as in all the churches of the saints.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your[SUP][d][/SUP] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? [SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.[SUP][e][/SUP]

 

[1still_waters]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

A deacon is a servant. But remember that Christ also came to serve.

We have two clear portions of scripture on this.
Yes Christ came to serve and she was a servant, that doesn't mean women are to take authority over men in church.

Ok really i;m done untangling the tangled balls of yarn.

 

[1still_waters]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

1 still_waters, I keep wondering why you ignore my exegesis of the Greek?

Authority is NOT the proper word in 1 Tim. 2:12. It is not from the Greek exousia, which is the authority used of Christ and God.

It is a word used ONCE in the whole Bible, it is authentein, and when you compare it to contemporaneous sources, meaning manuscripts written in Koine Greek at the same time, it has over FORTY different meanings, including murder, and copulation!! (OK, I never said that before, but that is the truth!) So how can you, a man who doesn't know Greek even begin to say this is a definitive scripture when even the Bible translators have no idea how to properly translate it!???

1 Tim 2:12 was written to a young pastor of one of the most difficult churches in the Christian world, about a specific situation. By making it universal, you destroy both the context and the meaning inherent in the text.

1 Tim 2:12 is spurious to the modern church. As far as 1 Cor. 14, and telling women to be silent, only 2 chapters early Paul was instructing the women how to pray and prophecy - with covered heads!! Yet I do not see you demanding women wear head coverings, because even you know it is NOT universal.

Do not take a private letter and apply it to all the church. Do not take a letter to a church in the evil town of Corinth, which had numerous personal and individual issues, and use those two single scriptures to parrot a repugnant doctrine which is untrue to God's Holy Word!


The only authority is Christ!

But it's not region or church specific.

as in all the churches of the saints.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your[SUP][d][/SUP] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? [SUP]37[/SUP]If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.[SUP][e]
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It's a command of the Lord to all churches, isn't region or church specific, and is based on the order of creation.[/SUP]

 

[danschance]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

1 still_waters, I keep wondering why you ignore my exegesis of the Greek?

Authority is NOT the proper word in 1 Tim. 2:12. It is not from the Greek exousia, which is the authority used of Christ and God.

It is a word used ONCE in the whole Bible, it is authentein, and when you compare it to contemporaneous sources, meaning manuscripts written in Koine Greek at the same time, it has over FORTY different meanings, including murder, and copulation!! (OK, I never said that before, but that is the truth!) So how can you, a man who doesn't know Greek even begin to say this is a definitive scripture when even the Bible translators have no idea how to properly translate it!???

1 Tim 2:12 was written to a young pastor of one of the most difficult churches in the Christian world, about a specific situation. By making it universal, you destroy both the context and the meaning inherent in the text.

1 Tim 2:12 is spurious to the modern church. As far as 1 Cor. 14, and telling women to be silent, only 2 chapters early Paul was instructing the women how to pray and prophecy - with covered heads!! Yet I do not see you demanding women wear head coverings, because even you know it is NOT universal.

Do not take a private letter and apply it to all the church. Do not take a letter to a church in the evil town of Corinth, which had numerous personal and individual issues, and use those two single scriptures to parrot a repugnant doctrine which is untrue to God's Holy Word!


The only authority is Christ!

I can't believe you are going to downgrade this passage in the manner you are.

1 Tim 2:12 is spurious to the modern church.

You are saying this is not scripture. Wow..... I hope somehow I misunderstood this.

 

[brmicke]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Hi -

1. "Gen 3:16 is not the mandate of God"
- and-
2. "1 Tim 2:12 is spurious to the modern church".

Both of these are "word for word" quotes from previous posts in this thread.

I think the reason for this opposition to clear biblical teaching with regard to Husband/man and Wife/woman relationships within the Body of Christ is the desire to be seen by others as agreeing with popular culture and opinions.

If trying to cast doubt upon the Scriptures is a problem (which I consider it to be) then it is exemplified by the two quotes mentioned.

Brian

 

[SarahM777]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Maggie,

Please show from the word there are those spirits. Chapter and verse please. [/QUOTE There are far too many!! Simply consider the CHARACTER of the person of Jezebel and even how the Lord accuses the church at Thyatira of tolerating...putting up with...the woman Jezebel. This was LOOOONG after the actual Jezebel was dead!! But it was that SPIRIT, the demon spirit operating in the actual Jezebel, that was now operating in the church at Thyatira!! A spirit, like that of Jezebel, like that of Pride, like those of greed, hate, homosexuality, murder, lying, licentiousness, etc are identified BY the behavior that they elicit in or through a person...the actions and behavior of a person can identify the demon that is working in or through them, oppressing them, influencing them.

So in reality are you saying it's not the person that's really doing it because the devil made them do it? Can anyone prove that the woman's name truly was or was not Jezebel in Revelation?

 

[SarahM777]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

I was possessed by one demon who called himself baphomet. You won't that name in the bible as the origins of this idol was secretly worshipped by some in the knights of templar after the bible was written.

In the gospels we see jesus preaching, teaching, healing and casting demons out of people. In those four books, only one demon was identified, legion. So my question to you is why do you think the demon jezebel must be listed in scripture? Where does the bible say that it lists every evil spirit by name?

UMMM How do you know it was that demon by that name? I mean why would that demon pick you out of all the people in the world that also claim to have been possessed by it also? How can one demon possess so many at one time?

And why would a demon like that,who would have it's choice of people on the world stage choose basically someone who like most of the rest of has no power,fame or influence,(Like 99.99% of us who are basically nothings on the world stage)?

I can't say you weren't but there are parts of this which is a delusion. You and thousands of others can not be possessed by the very same spirit. Angles and demons are all limited by their bodies. They have spiritual bodies but they still have limitations. They can only be one place at one time,not many places at the same time.

 

[brmicke]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Hi Sarah - To understand/answer this question of yours --

It is necessary to deviate a bit from this topic about "why Charismatics use the phrase Jezebel Spirit so frequently".

What is the wrath of God? God's wrath = God's anger, and it is revealed against all ungodliness. This wrath is revealed against the ungodly behavior of Christians as well, as is indicated by the use of the term "all ungodliness" - Romans 1:18.

Now we have both Old and new testament evidence that when God gets angry with a person He gives them over to His enemies, as can be seen from the two following pasted verses.

Ezr 5:12 But after that our fathers had provoked the God of heaven unto wrath, he gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house, and carried the people away into Babylon.

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

The chief enemy of God would be satan. But to find someone anywhere who can oppose God is impossible. So satan who is an enemy of God is actually not a challenge to God. God uses His enemies (one of which is satan and His demons) to scourge His children. Satan is used by God to discipline His children. Every Son/Daughter God accepts He scourgeth , Heb 12:6.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
(KJV)

Now if God scourgeth all of His Children He scourgeth them with their enemies.

2Ch 10:11 For whereas my father put a heavy yoke upon you, I will put more to your yoke: my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

In the following verse the fire that is not kindled but which consumes is referring to the demons.

Job 20:26 All darkness shall be hid in his secret places: a fire not blown shall consume him; it shall go ill with him that is left in his tabernacle.(KJV)

So your question was - why would God choose danschance out of all the people in the world and allow Him to be oppressed by the devil. The answer is that the scourge of the spirit are the enemies of God, both Spiritual and physical, and every son/daughter is scourged. So even if the demonic oppression is recognized in severe cases of discipline, it is common to all believers. The devil and His angels can just as easily be used by God to discipline His children as the Godless people around the corner can be used to discipline God's children.

The reason that it is not readily recognized is because it is so common. All Christians are scourged so it is common, and therefore not recognized as being out of the ordinary.

Consider - God's reward is righteousness Joy and peace. The absence of the reward or kingdom of God is the punishment for not obeying God and walking in Love. All the Law's of God are fulfilled when we Love God and neighbor. Thus loving Christians obtain the reward and the lack of the reward (righteousness joy and peace) is the penalty for violating the Law of God.

God delivers His followers into the limited power of their enemies to keep them from further sin as Paul was given over to the buffeting spirit so that He would not be exhalted above measure and incur more severe judgment.

Charismatic groups struggle with terms to identify this discipline. Thus the term Jezebel Spirit.

It should be stressed that this is discipline as well, as 1 Cor 11:32 shows. It is a simple spanking or scourging and not condemnation. God's people are scourged so that they will not be condemned with the worldly people.

Charismatics refer to this particular form of lawlessness as the Jezebel Spirit. Because it is a quick way of describing the behavior.

Respectfully - Brian

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

And THIS really does support my point in post #10. They are not Spirit empowered, but base their doctrine on words that were not spoken to Christians in general, but to a specific church body that was having issues. They do not rightly divide the word and so cannot understand it true and original meaning.
BTW...the Catholics in the US outnumber the Lutherans....just saying~![/QUOTE]

churches that do not ordain women as pastors and teachers are not Spirit-empowered, huh?
so my pastor is unsaved, maggie?

is that your assertion?

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

And THIS really does support my point in post #10. They are not Spirit empowered, but base their doctrine on words that were not spoken to Christians in general, but to a specific church body that was having issues. They do not rightly divide the word and so cannot understand it true and original meaning.
BTW...the Catholics in the US outnumber the Lutherans....just saying~!

churches that do not ordain women as pastors and teachers are not Spirit-empowered, huh?
so my pastor is unsaved, maggie?

is that your assertion?

i laugh at this:

"They do not rightly divide the word and so cannot understand it true and original meaning."

you wouldn't last through a single sermon at my church - you'd be bolting for the door before the Gospel came out (which it does...every Sunday).
you'd be hearing the Word rightly divided probably for the first time in your life.

C Peter Wagner rightly divides the word?
okay...let's take a look at him and his stuff.

 

[RickShafer]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Same few arguing over the same few basic principles.
Same as it ever was.
Keep arguing within your walls.

 

[SarahM777]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Hi Sarah - To understand/answer this question of yours --

It is necessary to deviate a bit from this topic about "why Charismatics use the phrase Jezebel Spirit so frequently".

What is the wrath of God? God's wrath = God's anger, and it is revealed against all ungodliness. This wrath is revealed against the ungodly behavior of Christians as well, as is indicated by the use of the term "all ungodliness" - Romans 1:18.

Now we have both Old and new testament evidence that when God gets angry with a person He gives them over to His enemies, as can be seen from the two following pasted verses.

Ezr 5:12 But after that our fathers had provoked the God of heaven unto wrath, he gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house, and carried the people away into Babylon.

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

The chief enemy of God would be satan. But to find someone anywhere who can oppose God is impossible. So satan who is an enemy of God is actually not a challenge to God. God uses His enemies (one of which is satan and His demons) to scourge His children. Satan is used by God to discipline His children. Every Son/Daughter God accepts He scourgeth , Heb 12:6.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
(KJV)

Now if God scourgeth all of His Children He scourgeth them with their enemies.

2Ch 10:11 For whereas my father put a heavy yoke upon you, I will put more to your yoke: my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

In the following verse the fire that is not kindled but which consumes is referring to the demons.

Job 20:26 All darkness shall be hid in his secret places: a fire not blown shall consume him; it shall go ill with him that is left in his tabernacle.(KJV)

So your question was - why would God choose danschance out of all the people in the world and allow Him to be oppressed by the devil. The answer is that the scourge of the spirit are the enemies of God, both Spiritual and physical, and every son/daughter is scourged. So even if the demonic oppression is recognized in severe cases of discipline, it is common to all believers. The devil and His angels can just as easily be used by God to discipline His children as the Godless people around the corner can be used to discipline God's children.

The reason that it is not readily recognized is because it is so common. All Christians are scourged so it is common, and therefore not recognized as being out of the ordinary.

Consider - God's reward is righteousness Joy and peace. The absence of the reward or kingdom of God is the punishment for not obeying God and walking in Love. All the Law's of God are fulfilled when we Love God and neighbor. Thus loving Christians obtain the reward and the lack of the reward (righteousness joy and peace) is the penalty for violating the Law of God.

God delivers His followers into the limited power of their enemies to keep them from further sin as Paul was given over to the buffeting spirit so that He would not be exhalted above measure and incur more severe judgment.

Charismatic groups struggle with terms to identify this discipline. Thus the term Jezebel Spirit.

It should be stressed that this is discipline as well, as 1 Cor 11:32 shows. It is a simple spanking or scourging and not condemnation. God's people are scourged so that they will not be condemned with the worldly people.

Charismatics refer to this particular form of lawlessness as the Jezebel Spirit. Because it is a quick way of describing the behavior.

Respectfully - Brian

Respectfully Brian,

Danschance is claiming he was possessed by a particular demon as a Christian. (Which by the way many others have claimed that that same demon has possessed them) IE witches,who do use divination to call up these spirits.

The term Jezebel spirit is NOT in the Bible. It's not you can't find it.

I never said that God does not allow demons to harass us at times. If not then you have to throw out the book of Job.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

But it's not region or church specific.

as in all the churches of the saints.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your[SUP][d][/SUP] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? [SUP]37[/SUP]If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.[SUP][e]
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It's a command of the Lord to all churches, isn't region or church specific, and is based on the order of creation.[/SUP]

Let your women keep silence in the churches—This was a Jewish ordinance; women were not permitted to teach in the assemblies, or even to ask questions. The rabbins taught that "a woman should know nothing but the use of her distaff." And the sayings of Rabbi Eliezer, as delivered, Bammidbar Rabba, sec. 9, fol. 204, are both worthy of remark and of execration; they are these: ‏ישרפו דברי תורה ואל ימסרו לנשים‎ yisrephu dibrey torah veal yimsaru lenashim, "Let the words of the law be burned, rather than that they should be delivered to women." This was their condition till the time of the Gospel, when, according to the prediction of Joel, the Spirit of God was to be poured out on the women as well as the men, that they might prophesy, i.e. teach. And that they did prophesy or teach is evident from what the apostle says, 1 Corinthians 11:5, where he lays down rules to regulate this part of their conduct while ministering in the church.
But does not what the apostle says here contradict that statement, and show that the words in chap. 11 should be understood in another sense? For, here it is expressly said that they should keep silence in the church; for it was not permitted to a woman to speak. Both places seem perfectly consistent. It is evident from the context that the apostle refers here to asking questions, and what we call dictating in the assemblies. It was permitted to any man to ask questions, to object, altercate, attempt to refute, etc., in the synagogue; but this liberty was not allowed to any woman. St. Paul confirms this in reference also to the Christian Church; he orders them to keep silence; and, if they wished to learn any thing, let them inquire of their husbands at home; because it was perfectly indecorous for women to be contending with men in public assemblies, on points of doctrine, cases of conscience, etc. But this by no means intimated that when a woman received any particular influence from God to enable her to teach, that she was not to obey that influence; on the contrary, she was to obey it, and the apostle lays down directions in chap. 11 for regulating her personal appearance when thus employed. All that the apostle opposes here is their questioning, finding fault, disputing, etc., in the Christian Church, as the Jewish men were permitted to do in their synagogues; together with the attempts to usurp any authority over the man, by setting up their judgment in opposition to them; for the apostle has in view, especially, acts of disobedience, arrogance, etc., of which no woman would be guilty who was under the influence of the Spirit of God.
But—to be under obedience, as also saith the law—This is a reference to Genesis 3:16: Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. From this it is evident that it was the disorderly and disobedient that the apostle had in view; and not any of those on whom God had poured out his Spirit.

Angela is right. You are wrong. You're teaching LCMS doctrine.

1 Corinthians 14:34-40 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
[SUP]
36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [SUP]39 [/SUP]Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Let all things be done decently and in order.

V36 is separate context, not connected to 34&35.

The subject of verse 34 and 35 is women asking questions while learning from their teachers. Nothing is in the context about preaching, teaching or anything else. It's unfortunate that people quote their favorite verses without reading them. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Does that mean a woman has a Jezebel spirit IF she is teaching a man something

in the circles where the Jezebel Spirit was invented it does - but only when the 'jezebel' teaches something the John Paul Jackson clan doesn't like.

"Jezebel hates prayer. Intercessory prayer pries her fingers off the hearts and souls of men. It sets people free in the spirit. When you pray, it binds her. When you pray against immorality, it cripples her. When you pray for a submissive heart, it is like the trampling of Jehu’s horse upon her body.

Jezebel hates the prophets, for the prophets speak out against her. The prophets are her worst enemies. When she wars, it is to stir people against the message of the prophetic church. Yet more than her hatred for the prophet ministry, she hates the word they speak. Her real enemy is the spoken Word of God.

Jezebel’s ultimate hatred is against God Himself. She hates the grace God lavishes upon His bond-servants, even after they sin. She hates the fact that God will take the weakest and lowliest and use them to bring her down. She hates the holiness and purity of heart that comes from God and surrounds those who serve in His courts."

What the Spirit of Jezebel Hates – Francis Frangipane

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since God is not speaking through prophets today, i wonder who "Jez" (as some have taken to fondly calling 'her') is actually warring against.

my hunch is the false prophets (Kansas City crew - JPJ et al) invented Jez as a ruse to:

1) get gullible charismatics to build a wall of defense around them
2) keep their people running around looking for devils in each other
3) have an excuse for when the inevitable sexual immorality is revealed
4) _______ < not bothering with the rest, as it will be derided as conspiracy theory

the charismatic movement is nothing less than bondage to another set of "laws".
made up laws.

okay.
thanks for listening.

 

[danschance]

Re: Why is the &quot;Jezebel spirit&quot; concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

UMMM How do you know it was that demon by that name? I mean why would that demon pick you out of all the people in the world that also claim to have been possessed by it also? How can one demon possess so many at one time?

And why would a demon like that,who would have it's choice of people on the world stage choose basically someone who like most of the rest of has no power,fame or influence,(Like 99.99% of us who are basically nothings on the world stage)?

I can't say you weren't but there are parts of this which is a delusion. You and thousands of others can not be possessed by the very same spirit. Angles and demons are all limited by their bodies. They have spiritual bodies but they still have limitations. They can only be one place at one time,not many places at the same time.

UMMM How do you know it was that demon by that name?
He told me his name 3 times in a row, in a goat like voice.

I mean why would that demon pick you out of all the people in the world....
That was a big mystery for me as well. God showed me I was cursed 24 times by a occult group that was into Thelema.

How can one demon possess so many at one time?
Because there are many demons which have the same name.

And why would a demon like that,who would have it's choice of people on the world stage choose basically someone who like most of the rest of has no power,fame or influence,(Like 99.99% of us who are basically nothings on the world stage)?
For many reasons. One, my father was a pastor who did not do as they told him. I and my sister were also cursed because the occult believe certain things about birth order. Occultists simply love to target Christians.

I can't say you weren't but there are parts of this which is a delusion.
That is your opinion and I can't blame you for it. Mental illness is real. I have been in charge of millions of dollars worth in projects for 13 years. I was a scoutmaster for five years and no one in my troop or family or friends thinks I am delusional. This is your way of dealing with things you think don't understand and believe do not exist.

I can't say you weren't but there are parts of this which is a delusion. You and thousands of others can not be possessed by the very same spirit. Angles and demons are all limited by their bodies. They have spiritual bodies but they still have limitations. They can only be one place at one time,not many places at the same time.
Again, you are making an assumption that only one demon exists per name. My name is Dan, do you think all other people named Dan are me? Of course not. Dan is a common name. Baphomet is a common demon in the occult.

If you want to read more of what happened to me I have a post from 2009 in my blog.