Free will? really?
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lol.. You missed the point altogether.
It does not support you. How many times has God let you fall into trouble of your own bringing? Yet how many times did God put a road block in your way, and cause you to chose something else.
That was the point. Not what you claim it is.
Thats why no one can speak to you guys.. You take what we say, you twist it. and you claim this and that,
If you want to follow men. Feel free.
I will follow the Lord.
God did not create people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell. without giving them every chance in the world to chose to follow the schoolmaster.
If you think he did. You do not know God.
stop following men, and follow God.
It does not support you. How many times has God let you fall into trouble of your own bringing? Yet how many times did God put a road block in your way, and cause you to chose something else.
That was the point. Not what you claim it is.
Thats why no one can speak to you guys.. You take what we say, you twist it. and you claim this and that,
If you want to follow men. Feel free.
I will follow the Lord.
God did not create people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell. without giving them every chance in the world to chose to follow the schoolmaster.
If you think he did. You do not know God.
stop following men, and follow God.
Hi eternal,
I do not doubt for one moment that your faith is in Christ, and I do not doubt for one moment that you are a child of God for I believe you are. I am not thinking religiously but biblically. Even just reading your last couple of posts, you still do not understand the reformed stand point on mans will.
Remember God decreed I would... and I freely did!
I think you may need to take a break from the debate to calm down.
I do not doubt for one moment that your faith is in Christ, and I do not doubt for one moment that you are a child of God for I believe you are. I am not thinking religiously but biblically. Even just reading your last couple of posts, you still do not understand the reformed stand point on mans will.
Remember God decreed I would... and I freely did!
I think you may need to take a break from the debate to calm down.
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lol.. See. this is how one should respond. Calm. No attack. No false claims..
However phil. As I said, I am an old reformer. I know what you believe.
Regeneration precedes justification.. God opens you rmind, allows you to understand the gospel. then you WILL chose to believe.
No free will. You had faith ONLY because God allowed you to see, Where he did not allow others to see, thus it is impossible for them to have faith, because they can;t chose God.
yet again, I did not chose God. I followed the schoomaster. And through this, and asking God to show me his truth, He found me and did what he said he would do.
But I still had to chose.
I have seen many a people so close to coming to God.. but at the last minute, give it all up. Not because they di dnot believe in God. but they did not trust him.
However phil. As I said, I am an old reformer. I know what you believe.
Regeneration precedes justification.. God opens you rmind, allows you to understand the gospel. then you WILL chose to believe.
No free will. You had faith ONLY because God allowed you to see, Where he did not allow others to see, thus it is impossible for them to have faith, because they can;t chose God.
yet again, I did not chose God. I followed the schoomaster. And through this, and asking God to show me his truth, He found me and did what he said he would do.
But I still had to chose.
I have seen many a people so close to coming to God.. but at the last minute, give it all up. Not because they di dnot believe in God. but they did not trust him.
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By the way, I know you do not think I am arminian, or like Skinski. Thanks for your kindness, To bad some others can not see this.
You give calvanists a good name,, Most are not like you.
I know you are saved, I have no doubt, I doubt no calvanists salvation. The only thing we disagree on is how we got there. everything else I believe we agree on..
You give calvanists a good name,, Most are not like you.
I know you are saved, I have no doubt, I doubt no calvanists salvation. The only thing we disagree on is how we got there. everything else I believe we agree on..
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lol. Yet more attack with no meat!
You made false claims
You proved you don't know what I believe
You show things you claim others people do. Yet you refuse to see it in yourself.
It is people like you who get me upset. Because unlike Phil. You can;t answer anyone
You attack them
You make false claims about them
You claim things which are not true, then when shown it, you do not even respond, Just more attack.
Unlike phil. People like you give calvanism a BAD NAME
Thats ok. There are people like this in arminiansim (skinski comes to mind) and Romanism, and other IMS..
Thats why I gave up following isms, and decided to study on my own. And do as they did with pau;l search the scripture to prove what ANYONE says.
when we get away from religion. and get to following God. we stop making mistakes, Saying people believe things they do not. Do not have to fall to attack. But understand all of these churches have alot of truth.
Of course the only one which matters is the gospel.
Believe it or not. We follow the same Gospel.. Even phil admits this.
You made false claims
You proved you don't know what I believe
You show things you claim others people do. Yet you refuse to see it in yourself.
It is people like you who get me upset. Because unlike Phil. You can;t answer anyone
You attack them
You make false claims about them
You claim things which are not true, then when shown it, you do not even respond, Just more attack.
Unlike phil. People like you give calvanism a BAD NAME
Thats ok. There are people like this in arminiansim (skinski comes to mind) and Romanism, and other IMS..
Thats why I gave up following isms, and decided to study on my own. And do as they did with pau;l search the scripture to prove what ANYONE says.
when we get away from religion. and get to following God. we stop making mistakes, Saying people believe things they do not. Do not have to fall to attack. But understand all of these churches have alot of truth.
Of course the only one which matters is the gospel.
Believe it or not. We follow the same Gospel.. Even phil admits this.
If Jesus was the head of your life you wouldn't hold to foolish and inane superstitions.
"Let's all be equal!" (You say)
O.K. Now, who is going to meet out the measure of 'equalness'?
Who? O.K. Right there, that arbiter has become a judge.
So that arbiter is not equal with those he/she is arbitrating....(as to who gets what, according to how hard they worked or their value to the state of total equalness)
See?
Can you see yet?
How that there can never be total and complete equality in material things?
Only equality under the law,.....that is the best humans can do.
"Let's all be equal!" (You say)
O.K. Now, who is going to meet out the measure of 'equalness'?
Who? O.K. Right there, that arbiter has become a judge.
So that arbiter is not equal with those he/she is arbitrating....(as to who gets what, according to how hard they worked or their value to the state of total equalness)
See?
Can you see yet?
How that there can never be total and complete equality in material things?
Only equality under the law,.....that is the best humans can do.
Acts 2:43-45
43*And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.44*And all that believed were together, and had all things common;45*And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
This is why the early church was killed off. What I do see though, is that the only thing holding us back from heaven is your "free" will.
43*And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.44*And all that believed were together, and had all things common;45*And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
This is why the early church was killed off. What I do see though, is that the only thing holding us back from heaven is your "free" will.
Really?
So God couldn't keep it going?
So God is not strong enough to kill all the half hearted givers into the communitarian pot?
He killed two? Why couldn't he keep killing for total equal distribution of wealth?
Why? Because they weren't killed for not giving, they were killed for saying they gave something they held back.
Called charity.
It doesn't come from the point of a gun, or the pointy finger of an apostle.
Called free will gift.
Infact, that's the whole point of giving, that we freely give as we are given.
You would have equal distribution at the muzzle of a gun.
So God couldn't keep it going?
So God is not strong enough to kill all the half hearted givers into the communitarian pot?
He killed two? Why couldn't he keep killing for total equal distribution of wealth?
Why? Because they weren't killed for not giving, they were killed for saying they gave something they held back.
Called charity.
It doesn't come from the point of a gun, or the pointy finger of an apostle.
Called free will gift.
Infact, that's the whole point of giving, that we freely give as we are given.
You would have equal distribution at the muzzle of a gun.