Sda's: If the Sabbath is an important law of God, then why...?

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danschance

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1) The patriarchs before Moses are never instructed once to keep the Sabbath but they are instructed on:
Tithing (Gen. 14:20)
Circumcision (Gen. 17:10
Marriage (Gen. 2:24, 34:9)
Does this mean tithing, circumcision and marriage are more important that keeping the Sabbath?

2) Why is there not one example of the Sabbath being kept before Moses?

3) What does this scripture mean to you?
The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us,with all those of us alive here today. Deut. 5:2-3
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How could Adam, Noah and Abraham keep the sabbath when it became a covenant with Moses and none before?

4) Why is the Sabbath commandment never stated in the New Testament?

5) Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?




 
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josh123

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just drop it... people still won't listen,just talk to people that willing to hear
 
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Bryancampbell

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If people don't want to receive the spiritual rest as a blessing, then who are we to push them to have it if they won't listen. Josh is right my friend, if this be a blessing to you as with us, then it's our contentment in the grace of God. :)
 
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danschance said:
1) The patriarchs before Moses are never instructed once to keep the Sabbath but they are instructed on:
Tithing (Gen. 14:20)
Circumcision (Gen. 17:10
Marriage (Gen. 2:24, 34:9)
Does this mean tithing, circumcision and marriage are more important that keeping the Sabbath?

2) Why is there not one example of the Sabbath being kept before Moses?

3) What does this scripture mean to you?

How could Adam, Noah and Abraham keep the sabbath when it became a covenant with Moses and none before?

4) Why is the Sabbath commandment never stated in the New Testament?

5) Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?
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During the times of Noah, those times were different from the times of Moses. Sabbath was for the people to have a time for their bodies to rejuvenate and so that they will be able to focus. You can't focus when you are drunk with fatigue, and which you will not be able to hear God and unable to manage their household.
 
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12tribes1King

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If people don't want to receive the spiritual rest as a blessing, then who are we to push them to have it if they won't listen. Josh is right my friend, if this be a blessing to you as with us, then it's our contentment in the grace of God.
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My friends, Bryancampbell and Josh123 your words are like a cold drink on a hot day to the soul, may God bless you for seeking peace and ensuing it with your brothers here :)

1Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

10For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

11Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

12For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

13And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
 
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danschance said:
1) The patriarchs before Moses are never instructed once to keep the Sabbath but they are instructed on:
Tithing (Gen. 14:20)
Circumcision (Gen. 17:10
Marriage (Gen. 2:24, 34:9)
Does this mean tithing, circumcision and marriage are more important that keeping the Sabbath?

2) Why is there not one example of the Sabbath being kept before Moses?

3) What does this scripture mean to you?

How could Adam, Noah and Abraham keep the sabbath when it became a covenant with Moses and none before?

4) Why is the Sabbath commandment never stated in the New Testament?

5) Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?
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Maybe the covenant made by Jesus and his blood isn't good enough for people?
 
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danschance

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Blain said:
Maybe the covenant made by Jesus and his blood isn't good enough for people?
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It is not good enough for those in cults listening to false doctrine of salvation plus works, common to so many christian cults.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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You guys STILL on this topic? lol
 
RedTent

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Are you guys listening to yourself? Deciding some people are drunk with fatigue has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Or asking if Christ is good enough. Christ is good, God the Father is good, and we are given understanding through the HS, no one is "good enough" and all are good. And what does the fact that there are different cults in our world have to do with the Sabbath?

When God created the world and told us about it in Genesis, God told us how creating the Sabbath was part of it. It really makes no difference in the fact of the Sabbath what the bible does or does not say about it afterwards, except to help us understand that fact. If the bible never said another word about Sabbath, it would not change the fact that there is a Sabbath, we are told to celebrate it, and it was from the beginning.

Christ came to save us from our sins, not to save us from the Sabbath. It was given as a blessing for us.
 
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Bryancampbell

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RedTent said:
Are you guys listening to yourself? Deciding some people are drunk with fatigue has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Or asking if Christ is good enough. Christ is good, God the Father is good, and we are given understanding through the HS, no one is "good enough" and all are good. And what does the fact that there are different cults in our world have to do with the Sabbath?

When God created the world and told us about it in Genesis, God told us how creating the Sabbath was part of it. It really makes no difference in the fact of the Sabbath what the bible does or does not say about it afterwards, except to help us understand that fact. If the bible never said another word about Sabbath, it would not change the fact that there is a Sabbath, we are told to celebrate it, and it was from the beginning.

Christ came to save us from our sins, not to save us from the Sabbath. It was given as a blessing for us.
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Friend I don't think you understand what we mean. It is the same as circumcision, if you're heart isn't right, circumcision is void even if you did it physically. But if you follow Christ and through Him accomplish the law by His righteousness, then the uncircumcised are circumcised by faith. Sabbath is made for man, and because the spiritual meaning has to have a physical as well. It, just as circumcision, pointed that in Christ, the true spiritual accomplishment is established and it fulfills the commandment in our lives.

Uncircumcised + Faith = Circumcised by heart
Sabbath + Jesus = Resting through faith
 
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Bryancampbell

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Sorry I meant to say

Uncircumcised + Faith = Circumcised by heart
Blood of Jesus + Faith = Rest through grace
 
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Kerry

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How did all these unlearned men and women become lawyers? Were you saved by law? Who taught you law? The just shall live by faith. Faith in what. The cross of christ and nothing else. End of discussion.
 
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I have come to the conclusion that the Sabbath rest, ie. the 4th commandment was given to Israel. The Jews (Judah, Benjamin and Levites) went into captivity but even in captivity they "Remembered the Sabbath to keep it Holy". We Israelites have our brothers the Jews to thank for keeping the correct day of the week, that is Friday at Sundown to Saturday at sundown. If you are a Gentile Christian and not an Israelite, this commandment is not for you. So just ignore all the posts regarding Keeping the Sabbath day, you are not grafted in to the Natural Olive Tree.

For those who are grafted in to the Natural Olive Tree, you have the law written in your heart, and your soul and every fiber of your being resonates with God and wanting to do things His Way.
 
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josh123

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Kerry said:
How did all these unlearned men and women become lawyers? Were you saved by law? Who taught you law? The just shall live by faith. Faith in what. The cross of christ and nothing else. End of discussion.
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hehe good one .
 
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josh123

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the part that frustrates me the most is.. they can't keep the law it's impossible to keep it but once they keep the sabbath everything is good.. i don't understand this... religious spirits man...
 
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Bryancampbell

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Once your in Christ you aren't Jewish...there is no separation between the grafted and the natural in God's eyes (Romans 2:11). But if people want to believe they are something better, I'm stepping behind the judgment line lol
 
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RedTent said:
Are you guys listening to yourself? Deciding some people are drunk with fatigue has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Or asking if Christ is good enough. Christ is good, God the Father is good, and we are given understanding through the HS, no one is "good enough" and all are good. And what does the fact that there are different cults in our world have to do with the Sabbath?

When God created the world and told us about it in Genesis, God told us how creating the Sabbath was part of it. It really makes no difference in the fact of the Sabbath what the bible does or does not say about it afterwards, except to help us understand that fact. If the bible never said another word about Sabbath, it would not change the fact that there is a Sabbath, we are told to celebrate it, and it was from the beginning.

Christ came to save us from our sins, not to save us from the Sabbath. It was given as a blessing for us.
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Sabbath is the day of rest from the worldly issues and focus on the word of God. You can't focus on Him while focusing about worldly problems; for it is a day that God has declared that no one shall work on that day or have someone to do your chores. This is the day to get to know God and which the people didn't focus on Him, but they had focus on those that violated the law. But now we have the Holy Spirit that is getting us to know all the things about God. Even if you ae working, the Holy Spirit will help you know the things of God through your task while working. So basically we don't need that physical solemn rest as before, The Holy Spirit will keep you to remain focus on His word while handling earthly duties.


1 Thessalonians 5:6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober.

Matthew 12:2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

Matthew 11:29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will findrest for your souls.









 
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Kerry

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josh123 said:
the part that frustrates me the most is.. they can't keep the law it's impossible to keep it but once they keep the sabbath everything is good.. i don't understand this... religious spirits man...
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My young friend, the flesh always looks for self righteousness. That is why we have all these threads about law and keeping sabbath. It is something we can do instead of accepting what He did.
 
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josh123 said:
just drop it... people still won't listen,just talk to people that willing to hear
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it's not that judaizers won't listen - they generally won't.

these are strongholds they set up against the knowledge of God, and we must keep tearing them down.

for every SDA/judaizing post, we post 3 proving their doctrine to be lies.
it's WORK.

NEW COVENANT in CHRIST'S BLOOD PLUS ZERO.
 
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josh123

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zone said:
it's not that judaizers won't listen - they generally won't.

these are strongholds they set up against the knowledge of God, and we must keep tearing them down.

for every SDA/judaizing post, we post 3 proving their doctrine to be lies.
it's WORK.

NEW COVENANT in CHRIST'S BLOOD PLUS ZERO.
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i don't understand though i mean.. it's not like we saying anything wrong.. it's proven by the scriptures what we are saying is the truth.. but they just move on to another thread and start something else or just say... ( so that gives us the right to steal, kill, etc, etc ) all i can see.. is people blinded by their pride and don't want to leave the illusion their living in.. and rejecting the whole purpose of christianity that magical gift.. we receive when we have faith in god.. and not a law that isn't doing anything, it's a sad thing to see... i see so many people.. even some of my close friends just trapped in sin and think everything is ok because they keep the sabbath holy.. FLEE FROM THIS MAN MADE DOCTRINE BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD COMES UPON YOU.
 
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