US taxes to support Israel

[iamsoandso]

my family immigrated to the Americas in 1741,German/ashkenazic Jews from palatinate Germany we can trace our genealogy in the Americas to German town Penn. but the line back into Germany is lost,that is as you know in ww2 most records were destroyed so at this point i come to the brick wall as it is referred to at a "stumbling stone" in the side walk of a street in Germany where my surname is recorded,,"Jungbluth",it is a raised stone with the families names set into the side walks where the Jews who were dragged out of their houses and executed during ww2.

now on the other hand my wife is an Sephardic Jew,which in actuality be the line in issue as toward oleh's,laws ect. that is her line is established from the Americas(Mexico),to Spain then to the tribe of Judah. nieto,ponce' lines ect.,,,so hence if we chose to immigrate to Israel and become Israeli citizens,or apply for duel citizenship we would qualify,,,but we will not.

search Israel immigration policies and you will understand,,you see I am a christian,my father was a christian,my grandfathers were christian,and so on as far back as i can document,seems to make no sense why i bring this up right?,,well you see in order to become an Israeli citizen i must prove i have not followed any other religion other than Judaism,well but the tangible facts state for them selves i am Christian,that is every father before me is buried in an christian cemetery and the same for my wife.

well as for the law we could still emigrate to Israel,that is according to Israeli law we could all convert from our religion(Christianity) and confess Judaism and be given partial citizenship,that is since we have children not born to an accepted marriage in Judaism they being of blood would receive full citizenship but me and my wife not being born of practicing Jews are deemed born out of wedlock and termed bastard,but then we as because we are converting to Judaism and fulfilling the law,but then being married of an christian marriage and not a Jewish then they declare our sons born out of wedlock.

many have accused me of being a Jehovah witness because i do not honer days,i beg to differ,i am not. some say i am catholic,and also i am not,i am christian by faith and Jewish by blood. I speak to mine own family members and mention Jesus,and they turn and spit. I try to explain to them the cross,and they explain to me the serpent and his apostles who deceived the earth. the reality of Judaism has nothing to do with the movies Hollywood shows,,,,

i watch the Christians in the u.s. discuss the Israeli policies,,,i tell you you do not know the beast you are financing.,,,there is a man sitting on the bank fishing,,,,,,you are the fish on the end of the hook,,,,,,,,,

 

[zone]

The issue ISN'T about who God's people are or are not. The issue is God pointing out
the Jews, the tribes, the nation and saying, "You bless them and I will bless you.
You curse them and I will curse you." It is still valid. You can argue who you "think" is
God's people....all day long. But how you treat Jews is another subject. Even if you think
the Jews have no more place in history and that the church took their place, God didn't
put an expiration date on His promise concerning blessing/cursing, the Jews. Its still
valid. He specifically pointed them out. And God will carry through with it.

right. so according to you, Jesus actually wants people (including Christians) to bless the jews...HOW?

through taxation (tribute)?
weapons funding?
millions slaughtered in world wars?

is any of that from the lips of Jesus?



Genesis 12
The Calling of Abram
2And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Genesis 18:18
Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.

Genesis 18:19
For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."

Genesis 22:18
and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'

Galatians 3:8
Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."

Its still valid. He specifically pointed them out. And God will carry through with it.

what's still valid?
He will carry through with what?

please document what you are saying.

if you could, as well, explain who is Israel according to scripture.
and who is Israel today.
please provide any genealogical records for anyone alive today farther back than the Middle Ages.
making claims is not evidence.
and if you do find genealogical records for anyone showing they descend from Jacob (you won't), is genealogical descent of any value to God?

John 3:36
35"The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. 36"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

is there an exception clause to that?
was there in 30AD?
70AD?
1200AD?
2001AD?

The issue ISN'T about who God's people are or are not. The issue is God pointing out
the Jews, the tribes, the nation and saying, "You bless them and I will bless you.

so, it doesn't matter if someone (a "nation") is NOT God's people?

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Trax]

please document what you are saying.

Edom, Babylon, Spain, Great Britain, Nazi Germany

The USA, the Jew is still treated as a citizen, with equal rights under the law.
The USA, a country whose judgement is way over due. But it is still supporting
the nation of Israel. It is still treating Jews IN the country with equality. God is still
up holding the USA, a very wicked country.

 

[Kerry]

right. so according to you, Jesus actually wants people (including Christians) to bless the jews...HOW?

through taxation (tribute)?
weapons funding?
millions slaughtered in world wars?

is any of that from the lips of Jesus?



Genesis 12
The Calling of Abram
2And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Genesis 18:18
Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.

Genesis 18:19
For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."

Genesis 22:18
and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'

Galatians 3:8
Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."




what's still valid?
He will carry through with what?

please document what you are saying.

if you could, as well, explain who is Israel according to scripture.
and who is Israel today.
please provide any genealogical records for anyone alive today farther back than the Middle Ages.
making claims is not evidence.
and if you do find genealogical records for anyone showing they descend from Jacob (you won't), is genealogical descent of any value to God?

John 3:36
35"The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. 36"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

is there an exception clause to that?
was there in 30AD?
70AD?
1200AD?
2001AD?



so, it doesn't matter if someone (a "nation") is NOT God's people?

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

No, no, no. Zone, any country can apply to the U.S. government for foreign aid. The Government, that is to say congress, looks over that application and determines the need of that nation and appropriates funds accordingly. The problem is, that the majority of these nations are Islamic. The have no democracy or they have pseudo democracy.

As I type this post, the muslim brotherhood is taking over most these nations as we see in egypt. The muslim goal is to push Israel into the sea. WE are supporting both sides. Didn't you see the karate kid. Yu karate yes or yu karate no, you karate I don't know, bam squish like grape.

 

[zone]

Edom, Babylon,

Biblical

Spain, Great Britain, Nazi Germany

nothing in scripture here.
you'll have to elaborate a little more on what you're referring to.
myths and partial truths primarily, by the look of it.
why did you just completely pass over what The LORD said about all who reject the Son?

does scripture say anyone who rejects the Son has the Father?

does the Father have a relationship with anyone who rejects the Son?

you really need to keep your answers according to Scripture...not a single verse from Genesis + narratives with no complete historical background.

The USA, the Jew is still treated as a citizen, with equal rights under the law.
The USA, a country whose judgement is way over due. But it is still supporting
the nation of Israel. It is still treating Jews IN the country with equality. God is still
up holding the USA, a very wicked country.

so you do believe the Gospel is Genesis 12:3; or a variation of it - whereby it is the children of the flesh who are blessed, not those born of Spirit.

apparently you're not clear on Galatians 4 either.
is it saying unbelieving Jews are heirs according to the promise, and Ishmael is cast out of the kingdom?

anyway, unless you have some substantiation aside from a devised narrative based on one verse from Genesis, there's not much to discuss. we seem to be reading a different book and believing different gospels.

 

[zone]

No, no, no. Zone, any country can apply to the U.S. government for foreign aid. The Government, that is to say congress, looks over that application and determines the need of that nation and appropriates funds accordingly. The problem is, that the majority of these nations are Islamic. The have no democracy or they have pseudo democracy.

As I type this post, the muslim brotherhood is taking over most these nations as we see in egypt. The muslim goal is to push Israel into the sea. .

Israel is not a democracy.
the Muslim Brotherhood is a western intelligence creation and asset, for the balkanization of the region.
tired of posting on it and no one following up.

anyone can find out who the Muslim Brotherhood is.
it takes a few hours.

if you can't be bothered, that's fine.
believe what you hear on tv.

The Israel Lobby thanks you.
one day you'll answer for all the death you've supported.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

uh-oh. here's that (not) debunked khazar theory (that doesn't exist) that some ppl can talk about but other ppl can't.
moving right along before i wind up in front of a tribunal for even thinking such a thing.

la la la

he is suggesting that the khazar people are children of abraham...which is also untrue...but it is the exact opposite of the racial lies you continually spread...

and nobody cares to put you in front of a tribunal...you -should- be in front of your LCMS church council answering excommunication charges though...

please take the link the LCMS out of your signature as you are misrepresenting confessional lutheranism...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

one day you'll answer for all the death you've supported.

enough with these vague threats already...keep your warped vengeance fantasies to yourself...

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

simmerdown

 

[iamsoandso]

it is a hard thing to say in a sentence. there is Abraham,and his seed(Christ/Christianity),and there also are those who have their father Abraham yet they told Samuel they wanted a kingdom like the other nations. as time progressed they went astray and were carried away again and again into bondage of the said beast until the forth,and the summer of a.d.70 came.

now the apostles preached and explained that if you now receiving grace,return again to the carnal you have no part in grace(gal. 5;4),,,most of the apostles were martyred before the summer of a.d.70,so their speech is as to the affect that Israel and the temple(still standing in a.d.69) was never the true and was to be removed. and also that in the fulfillment of it being removed you do not return to it.

even though the woman being warned of this before hand,that a day would come and that kingdom and temple that was(before a.d.70),,and was not(removed by god a.d.70),,yet is,should ascend out of the bottomless pit(1948),,(not the true kingdom,the carnal one),,that is they would say let us make an "image",of the beast that received the deadly wound. now he does not worship the god his fathers knew,but in a strong fortress will worship a god Abraham and Isaac nor Jacob knew not. and he will worship him with gold,and silver and precious things and you cannot discern weather one should give foreign aid to him or not.

 

[Praus]

Israel is not a democracy.
the Muslim Brotherhood is a western intelligence creation and asset, for the balkanization of the region.
tired of posting on it and no one following up.

anyone can find out who the Muslim Brotherhood is.
it takes a few hours.

if you can't be bothered, that's fine.
believe what you hear on tv.

The Israel Lobby thanks you.
one day you'll answer for all the death you've supported.

What are you waiting for then?

1 Sam 17:49 And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.

[video=youtube;2omb_4O5DkQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2omb_4O5DkQ[/video]

 

[zone]

enough with these vague threats already...keep your warped vengeance fantasies to yourself...

what vague threats?

people who have blindly supported all the killing since 1948 in Da Name of Jeeezuz will answer for it...if they don't repent.

that includes false teachings about Israel; active or passive support for Israeli and American xtian- zionist aggression, and your suppression of certain truths....so this means you, too.

your remarks about M.E. christians specifically. charming, rachel.

no different from having, approving, funding or performing abortions after becoming a Christian......murder of innocents and calling it God's Plan. or chalking it up to America's national interests, while you say you're a Christian.

i think you should keep your sickening, warped version of The Great Commission to yourself, rachel - your typically arrogant and uniquely american "middle-eastern-everybody-but-The-State-of-Israel-deserves-what-they-get" doctrine.

rachel's our resident pam geller

i don't take either of you seriously.
i don't take orders from you, young lady
moving right along.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

what vague threats?

people who have blindly supported all the killing since 1948 in Da Name of Jeeezuz will answer for it...if they don't repent.

that includes false teachings about Israel; active or passive support for Israeli and American xtian- zionist aggression, and your suppression of certain truths....so this means you, too.

your remarks about M.E. christians specifically. charming, rachel.

no different from having, approving, funding or performing abortions after becoming a Christian......murder of innocents and calling it God's Plan. or chalking it up to America's national interests, while you say you're a Christian.

i think you should keep your sickening, warped version of The Great Commission to yourself, rachel - your typically arrogant and uniquely american "middle-eastern-everybody-but-The-State-of-Israel-deserves-what-they-get" doctrine.

rachel's our resident pam geller

i don't take either of you seriously.
i don't take orders from you, young lady
moving right along.

nobody on this site is more guilty of tampering with and blatantly denying truth than you are zone...

my version of the great commission is the same as jesus' version...spreading the gospel to all nations...without distorting it with conspiracy lies and hateful agendas...

your perversion of the great commission is to spread hate and slander to all nations...and then pretend it has something to do with christ...

and yes i know you don't take anyone seriously unless they assent to your lies...that is why you are so stiff necked and unteachable...

please take the link to LCMS out of your signature...your doctrine deviates from confessional lutheranism and in the process makes confessional lutheranism look bad...

 

[zone]

he is suggesting that the khazar people are children of abraham...which is also untrue...but it is the exact opposite of the racial lies you continually spread...

you still don't have your facts straight, nor your charges.
keep absorbing from others, one day you might get it.

are they children of abraham or not?
if they are not, how is it the opposite of what i've said?
what i've said is anti-racist.
maybe you can correct me on a new what-does-the Talmud-say thread.
you've had time to tweak your story.

you, on the other hand are a typical american racist.
and ignorant as all get out.

and nobody cares to put you in front of a tribunal...

lol....once again, you know nothing about the subject.
asking questions about the holocaust narrative gets you before a tribunal up here
you'll deny that too, likely.
or condone it.

you never did properly address the lies in the holocaust narrative here:

http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/63081-6-000-000-a.html < click

if you can't handle the truth there, i can start another thread - just for you - to address the monstrous lies.
which serve their purpose daily.
you know so much....maybe you can set the record straight once and for all

you -should- be in front of your LCMS church council answering excommunication charges though...

please take the link the LCMS out of your signature as you are misrepresenting confessional lutheranism...

now now rachel....i know people get angry when their issues are exposed.
you'll just have to deal with it like a big girl.

you could start today by expanding on your "simpler version" of how your criminal shadow govt led us all into war - for Israel. and how people like you waved the red-white-and-blue after relying on faulty intelligence.

and are still apparently unapologetic, and unrepentant.
see, that's not my problem. it's yours.

Donald Rumsfeld relied on faulty intelligence doesn't cut it.

i don't misrepresent confessional lutheranism.
find any post where i've misrepresented lutheranism

you just don't like the other stuff i post.
oh well.

 

[zone]

What are you waiting for then?

1 Sam 17:49 And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.

[video=youtube;2omb_4O5DkQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2omb_4O5DkQ[/video]

you'll have to explain your point before i reply.
it's not me the NIST zombies will answer to.

 

[Praus]

what vague threats?

people who have blindly supported all the killing since 1948 in Da Name of Jeeezuz will answer for it...if they don't repent.

that includes false teachings about Israel; active or passive support for Israeli and American xtian- zionist aggression, and your suppression of certain truths....so this means you, too.

your remarks about M.E. christians specifically. charming, rachel.

As a Christian of Syrian and Palestinian background the last allies I want are Holocaust deniers. You lost the war a long time ago.

Revisionist: It’s Time To Quit Shoah Fight – Forward.com

Military Bases in Germany - US Military Bases

no different from having, approving, funding or performing abortions after becoming a Christian......murder of innocents and calling it God's Plan. or chalking it up to America's national interests, while you say you're a Christian.

i think you should keep your sickening, warped version of The Great Commission to yourself, rachel - your typically arrogant and uniquely american "middle-eastern-everybody-but-The-State-of-Israel-deserves-what-they-get" doctrine.

rachel's our resident pam geller

Cheap shot.

James 4:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

i don't take either of you seriously.
i don't take orders from you, young lady
moving right along.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Why do you bother? Wotanism (Odinism) by David Lane

 

[zone]

nobody on this site is more guilty of tampering with and blatantly denying truth than you are zone...

get specific, Judge Rachel
what truth am i tampering with?

lay it out.
start a new thread.

bring your charges. not party-line rhetoric. get the facts.
in the meantime, why not start addressing the stuff you're currently avoiding.

stuff you stalked me over a few short years ago and conveniently now are silent on.

is ridiculing 'conspiracy theories' the best you can do? evidently.
start countering what's posted - do it thoroughly and completely.
then apologize (as if) when you're proven wrong - again.

there's a particular breed of persons in the world who still pimps the official 9-11 trash.
though smaller in number now, they have a few things in common.
you represent them well.

my version of the great commission is the same as jesus' version...spreading the gospel to all nations...without distorting it with conspiracy lies and hateful agendas...

that in itself is a lie.
your conspiracy theory is that Arabs did 9-11 - because they hate you for your freedoms or some such rubbish.

and your hateful agenda is they consequently deserve what they get.
including palestinians and syrian christians (for supporting assad - the brutal dictator who was attacking his own people).

you: anti-arab conspiracy theory + hateful agenda.
your problem is, your version is wrong.

your perversion of the great commission is to spread hate and slander to all nations...and then pretend it has something to do with christ...

what "hate and slander to all nations"?
most nations know your country is the head of the killing machine going on... spreading democracy by bombing people into the stone age.

and most people in other nations know that 9-11 was inside job....sorry if you're too indoc'd to see it.
and, most nations know your country does the bidding of Israel in spite of the damage done.
most nations know what your alphabet agencies are for and what they do - in other countries.

and? you don't.
if you were politically neutral, you might be able to say your commission was the same as Christ's.
but unfortunately, dearie....you've posted enough for people to know your position.

you don't.
how is that my problem?

and yes i know you don't take anyone seriously unless they assent to your lies...that is why you are so stiff necked and unteachable...

my lies?
i didn't do 9-11.
somebody's lying about it.
it isn't me.
that leaves you.
though perhaps due to ignorance, you can't keep making that excuse for long.

lol....no rachel.
it's not me who is unteachable.
you just don't have the facts on your side.

please take the link to LCMS out of your signature...your doctrine deviates from confessional lutheranism and in the process makes confessional lutheranism look bad...

what doctrine?
christian doctrine?
according to you?

or do you mean other things...that make you angry.

once again, no, i won't be removing the link from my signature.
i don't take orders from you.
even though denominational choice has nothing to do with what you're ticked off about,
Lutheranism is not Christian-zionism.
so it's you who should rethink your choice of denoms, maybe?

 

[Praus]

The Israel Lobby thanks you.
one day you'll answer for all the death you've supported.

you'll have to explain your point before i reply.
it's not me the NIST zombies will answer to.

Which day are we going to answer for "all the death and destruction"? How? What is your plan? Or it it a prophecy?

Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

 

[zone]

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this has something to do with me?
i didn't shoot kennedy.
but i know who did.

As a Christian of Syrian and Palestinian background the last allies I want are Holocaust deniers. You lost the war a long time ago.

holocaust denier?
what's that?
we're not allowed to ask questions?

who said you need me as an ally?

Revisionist: It’s Time To Quit Shoah Fight – Forward.com

Military Bases in Germany - US Military Bases

you post a jewish source about fighting people who question the holocaust narrative - when the narrative has already been revised several times by jewish historians?

sorry - i'm not easily intimidated on an story that has been built on "faulty intelligence".
ever.

Cheap shot.

with all due respect, you're new here.
it's not cheap shot, it's accurate.

your friend rachel there is on record saying Syrian Christians deserve what they got in the (fake) Syrian freedom-fighter revolution. for supporting the evil Assad. and just for being there.

she denies the Syrian freedom fighters are foreign (western) funded and supported death squads sent it to bring down Syria. just like Libya before....and all those fake Arab Spring revolutions.

she has no explanation for why Assad would just start killing his own citizens., though. just that he's evil.
but course, it's me who slanders nations.

if that's cool with you, great!
i reject it.

 

[CoooCaw]

you need to lose your antisemitism Zone;

what would you think if Israel were to Nuke the Aswan Dam? Ezekiel 29

this has something to do with me?
i didn't shoot kennedy.
but i know who did.



holocaust denier?
what's that?
we're not allowed to ask questions?

who said you need me as an ally?



you post a jewish source about fighting people who question the holocaust narrative - when the narrative has already been revised several times by jewish historians?

sorry - i'm not easily intimidated on an story that has been built on "faulty intelligence".
ever.



with all due respect, you're new here.
it's not cheap shot, it's accurate.

your friend rachel there is on record saying Syrian Christians deserve what they got in the (fake) Syrian freedom-fighter revolution. for supporting the evil Assad. and just for being there.

she denies the Syrian freedom fighters are foreign (western) funded and supported death squads sent it to bring down Syria. just like Libya before....and all those fake Arab Spring revolutions.

she has no explanation for why Assad would just start killing his own citizens., though. just that he's evil.
but course, it's me who slanders nations.

if that's cool with you, great!
i reject it.