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[RachelBibleStudent]

you still don't have your facts straight, nor your charges.
keep absorbing from others, one day you might get it.

are they children of abraham or not?
if they are not, how is it the opposite of what i've said?
what i've said is anti-racist.
maybe you can correct me on a new what-does-the Talmud-say thread.
you've had time to tweak your story.

you, on the other hand are a typical american racist.
and ignorant as all get out.



lol....once again, you know nothing about the subject.
asking questions about the holocaust narrative gets you before a tribunal up here
you'll deny that too, likely.
or condone it.

you never did properly address the lies in the holocaust narrative here:

http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/63081-6-000-000-a.html < click

if you can't handle the truth there, i can start another thread - just for you - to address the monstrous lies.
which serve their purpose daily.
you know so much....maybe you can set the record straight once and for all



now now rachel....i know people get angry when their issues are exposed.
you'll just have to deal with it like a big girl.

you could start today by expanding on your "simpler version" of how your criminal shadow govt led us all into war - for Israel. and how people like you waved the red-white-and-blue after relying on faulty intelligence.

and are still apparently unapologetic, and unrepentant.
see, that's not my problem. it's yours.

Donald Rumsfeld relied on faulty intelligence doesn't cut it.

i don't misrepresent confessional lutheranism.
find any post where i've misrepresented lutheranism

you just don't like the other stuff i post.
oh well.

the person you had responded to has been suggesting on various threads that the khazars and various other asian groups were descendants of abraham...evidently he has his own 'lost tribes' theory that he believes in...

you on the other hand continue to promote from time to time the proven -lie- that the ashkenazi jews are not descendants of abraham because they are turkic khazars instead...

how you don't see the difference is beyond me...it is as if every time you see anyone mention the word 'khazar' you just take it as an endorsement of your view -without actually reading anything else they wrote-

regarding racism...you have used your khazar myth to argue that the israelis have no right to the land currently occupied by the state of israel due to their supposedly being of the -wrong race- for the region...

and regarding ignorance...you are best described as a combination of ignorance and google...you try to impress people with lots of links and quotations from articles you -barely even read- let alone fact check and hope everyone will assume that lots of text means you did lots of homework...

i have no interest in debating the holocaust with you...let's just say i don't think there is any danger of anyone taking -you- seriously on that subject...

and regarding iraq...surprise! i was actually -against- the invasion of iraq...i didn't believe the reasons for the invasion...whether true or faulty...were worth the probable loss of life...

but not knowing what you are talking about as you falsely accuse people is nothing new with you...

now you and i both know what the lutheran confessions say about the antichrist and the man of lawlessness...which you have quite clearly expressed your determined disagreement with...

...or on second thought maybe you -don't- know what the lutheran confessions say...that certainly wouldn't be surprising considering how sloppy the rest of your 'research' is... so if you weren't aware...read 'articles vii and viii' of the apology of the augsburg confession...'article xv' of the apology of the same...'article xxiv' of the same...the section on 'the invocation of saints' in 'article ii' of 'part ii' of the smalcald articles...'article iv' of the same...the section on 'the marks of the antichrist' in the 'treatise on the power and primacy of the pope'...and 'article x' of the 'solid declaration' of the formula of concord...

after you read those you can come back and explain how you can profess confessional lutheranism while dissenting from the lutheran confessions...

 

[zone]

Which day are we going to answer for "all the death and destruction"? How? What is your plan? Or it it a prophecy?

Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

LOL huh?
i have no plan.

people whose christian doctrine leads them to support world wars based on faulty intelligence (for example surrounding 9-11) will answer for their distortion of christianity...if they don't repent.

particularly those who condone murder (even of christians) in the Middle East because of "faulty intelligence" - which in this case can also be attributed a uniquely western form of idolatry.

don't you agree?
if not, that would be surprising.

 

[1still_waters]

i didn't shoot kennedy.
but i know who did.

So do I!

I'll start from the top...



Then the underling



Trigger man..



But you didn't hear it from me....

SHHHHHHH

 

[Praus]

The Israel Lobby thanks you.
one day you'll answer for all the death you've supported.

LOL huh?
i have no plan.

You made a plain statement of fact, are you backpedaling? That doesn't suggest any credibility.

people whose christian doctrine leads them to support world wars based on faulty intelligence (for example surrounding 9-11) will answer for their distortion of christianity...if they don't repent.

particularly those who condone murder (even of christians) in the Middle East because of "faulty intelligence" - which in this case can also be attributed a uniquely western form of idolatry.

don't you agree?
if not, that would be surprising.

Of course I agree! I'm completely aware of all these things, especially the apartheid nature of modern Israel.

I & I gonna wage revolution just like the Rastafarians in Jamaica: "tomorrow mon".

 

[Praus]

So do I!
I'll start from the top...
Then the underling
Trigger man..
But you didn't hear it from me....
SHHHHHHH

Hey! It was whale and dolphin, they opened the files, it's ok now.

"Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" --John Blutarsky

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

get specific, Judge Rachel
what truth am i tampering with?

lay it out.
start a new thread.

bring your charges. not party-line rhetoric. get the facts.
in the meantime, why not start addressing the stuff you're currently avoiding.

stuff you stalked me over a few short years ago and conveniently now are silent on.

is ridiculing 'conspiracy theories' the best you can do? evidently.
start countering what's posted - do it thoroughly and completely.
then apologize (as if) when you're proven wrong - again.

there's a particular breed of persons in the world who still pimps the official 9-11 trash.
though smaller in number now, they have a few things in common.
you represent them well.



that in itself is a lie.
your conspiracy theory is that Arabs did 9-11 - because they hate you for your freedoms or some such rubbish.

and your hateful agenda is they consequently deserve what they get.
including palestinians and syrian christians (for supporting assad - the brutal dictator who was attacking his own people).

you: anti-arab conspiracy theory + hateful agenda.
your problem is, your version is wrong.



what "hate and slander to all nations"?
most nations know your country is the head of the killing machine going on... spreading democracy by bombing people into the stone age.

and most people in other nations know that 9-11 was inside job....sorry if you're too indoc'd to see it.
and, most nations know your country does the bidding of Israel in spite of the damage done.
most nations know what your alphabet agencies are for and what they do - in other countries.

and? you don't.
if you were politically neutral, you might be able to say your commission was the same as Christ's.
but unfortunately, dearie....you've posted enough for people to know your position.

you don't.
how is that my problem?



my lies?
i didn't do 9-11.
somebody's lying about it.
it isn't me.
that leaves you.
though perhaps due to ignorance, you can't keep making that excuse for long.

lol....no rachel.
it's not me who is unteachable.
you just don't have the facts on your side.



what doctrine?
christian doctrine?
according to you?

or do you mean other things...that make you angry.

once again, no, i won't be removing the link from my signature.
i don't take orders from you.
even though denominational choice has nothing to do with what you're ticked off about,
Lutheranism is not Christian-zionism.
so it's you who should rethink your choice of denoms, maybe?

the lies you post -have- been countered zone...the problem is that you don't let the truth stop you from pursuing your agenda...

the khazar myth for one was thoroughly dismantled on the conspiracy forum...as well as elsewhere...right before you rejected that entire forum because people dared to challenge your assertions instead of letting you set yourself up as a teacher...

in another instance your false claim that 7 WTC was virtually undamaged before collapsing was disproved just by posting a picture of the -other side- of the building...the side of the building you never show in any of the pictures you post...

my view is that 9/11 was perpetrated by al-qaeda...and motivated by osama bin laden's disgust at western military presence in the homeland of islam...and i don't hold all arabs or all muslims responsible... so once again you falsely accuse me of holding views i don't actually hold...

your view on the other hand is that 9/11 was perpetrated by israel along with the united states government and numerous other entities...and for that you hold practically everyone who doesn't agree with your delusions in some degree of culpability...and have posted several threats or fantasies of unspecified reckoning against them...

now get ready for -another- one of your posted lies to be countered with facts... specifically you falsely claim that 'most people in other nations know 9/11 was an inside job'...

a poll of seventeen countries in 2008 found that on average 46% of people believed al-qaeda was responsible for 9/11...only 15% believed the united states government was responsible and only 7% believed israel was responsible...7% blamed someone else and 25% didn't know...

Opinion polls about 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

clearly -you- are the one who doesn't have the facts on your side...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

you post a jewish source about fighting people who question the holocaust narrative - when the narrative has already been revised several times by jewish historians?

does it -matter- if his source is jewish?

it seems once you get going you aren't even able to hide the role racial factors play in your worldview...

 

[zone]

the person you had responded to has been suggesting on various threads that the khazars and various other asian groups were descendants of abraham...evidently he has his own 'lost tribes' theory that he believes in...

you on the other hand continue to promote from time to time the proven -lie- that the ashkenazi jews are not descendants of abraham because they are turkic khazars instead...

how you don't see the difference is beyond me...it is as if every time you see anyone mention the word 'khazar' you just take it as an endorsement of your view -without actually reading anything else they wrote-

i know what that poster has been posting.
my post was making it's own point.

you on the other hand continue to promote from time to time the proven -lie- that the ashkenazi jews are not descendants of abraham because they are turkic khazars instead.

here it is again for you.
since you've done a 180 one part without ever acknowledging your first mistake, perhaps someday you'll wise up to the rest.

Rachel:
did the Khazars convert to Talmudic Judaism in 700AD?
were they ever of JACOB?
do they claim they ever were?

if not, are they Biblically Hebrews?
stated even more simply - though someone can be jewish, does this mean they are of Jacob?

Rachel:
were the Herods both Jews and not of Jacob?

Rachel:
were the Herods the seven heads of Revelation and the clay mingled with iron in Daniel?
previously you were adamant the answer was no, and i that i was a kook for suggesting it.

......

Rachel:
does the latest DNA research on the Ashkenazism match the Khazarian hypothesis; or the Rhineland hypothesis?

see....it's never been me that cares about RACE.
i've been against the liars everywhere who have both claimed racial descent they can not prove since it isn't true, and against those who claim Christian theology states race has anything to do with salvation of God's Plan.

regarding racism...1) you have used your khazar myth to argue that the israelis have no right to the land currently occupied by the state of israel 2) due to their supposedly being of the -wrong race- for the region...

1) not quite.
the Khazar reality is not a myth. and it's not MY myth.
i didn't dream up ANY OF IT.

the Khazars themselves are not ashamed of their heritage, so why are you?

2) and again, not quite.
my consistent argument has been:

- the LAND PROMISE was fulfilled for Biblical Israel. you can deny this if you want to - it would just make you another false teacher. i've posted on this from the beginning.

- the Israelis have no BIBLICAL right to the Land whether they are truly of Jacob or not, since JESUS CHRIST left THEIR (jacob's APOSTATE people's) LAND DESOLATE. the elect remnant received their inheritance - JESUS CHRIST and eternal life in the eternal kingdom, which is not of this world, nor in earthly Jerusalem. deny that if you want to.

- the Israelis (whatever their races are) have no right to the LAND based on supposed moral superiority or chosen-ness.
no one who rejects the Son has the Father. deal with that.

- Israelis can not prove any descent back to Abraham any more than you can. the closest anyone can come is regional (semitic) ancestry, and that is NOT a purely racial designation, nor is it proof of belonging to the 12 tribes.

- Israel established itself there (with the help of christian-zionists) on RACIAL GROUNDS. deny this, too if you want to.

and regarding ignorance...you are best described as a combination of ignorance and google...you try to impress people with lots of links and quotations from articles you -barely even read- let alone fact check and hope everyone will assume that lots of text means you did lots of homework...

lol...if i could drop books onto an internet site i would.
i'm not trying to impress anybody rachel - that assertion just shows you have some internal issue going on
if people don't like having links to resources (which happen to be digital since i can't hand you a book) that's too bad i guess.

i have no interest in debating the holocaust with you...

what "debate"?
there's no debate.
there are only facts.
and then there are lies.

you're not interested because you already know the story is full of holes.
that's fine.
some people need that secondary pseudo-religion to avoid thinking.
i understand.

let's just say i don't think there is any danger of anyone taking -you- seriously on that subject...

i'm not worried about what you think, in that regard.

and regarding iraq...surprise! i was actually -against- the invasion of iraq...i didn't believe the reasons for the invasion...whether true or faulty...were worth the probable loss of life...

but not knowing what you are talking about as you falsely accuse people is nothing new with you...

who cares if you were for or against the invasion.
you still prop up the faulty intelligence that started it.
and it continues today.
and you prop that up with more faulty intelligence.

now you and i both know what the lutheran confessions say about the antichrist and the man of lawlessness...which you have quite clearly expressed your determined disagreement with...

i said all along i disagree with the reformers idea that the Papacy was THE BIG ANTICHRIST of scripture.
i don't have to say amen to that to be a Lutheran.
we don't 'confess' that in church, nor is it required for confirmation.

...or on second thought maybe you -don't- know what the lutheran confessions say...that certainly wouldn't be surprising considering how sloppy the rest of your 'research' is... so if you weren't aware...read 'articles vii and viii' of the apology of the augsburg confession...'article xv' of the apology of the same...'article xxiv' of the same...the section on 'the invocation of saints' in 'article ii' of 'part ii' of the smalcald articles...'article iv' of the same...the section on 'the marks of the antichrist' in the 'treatise on the power and primacy of the pope'...and 'article x' of the 'solid declaration' of the formula of concord...

after you read those you can come back and explain how you can profess confessional lutheranism while dissenting from the lutheran confessions...

LOLOL....the marks of AN antichrist are written in scripture.
nowhere am i required to profess the POPE is the THE ANTICHRIST or that Rome is the Great Harlot of Revelation to be a Lutheran.

the reformers clearly thought so.
so what?

christians today think Obama is THE Antichrist.

and find me saying anywhere Catholicism or the Papacy hasn't anathematized the Gospel.

as for sloppy research, maybe it's better to just post my opinion without sources like you do - then people can really be impressed. i've watched your progression of thought. waiting to see what's safe.

cough.

 

[zone]

does it -matter- if his source is jewish?

it seems once you get going you aren't even able to hide the role racial factors play in your worldview...

jews are obsessed with silencing any question surrounding the holocaust narrative.
so why would a jewish source calling for the criminal prosecution and persecution of people who ask questions (pick any source) be of any value to people who claim to love truth at any cost, regardless of where it leads.

of course, if i post Jewish sources, such as The New Historians, or jewish sources who ask questions, they get rejected too.

does this mean you're ready to discuss the holocaust facts; myths; and disgraceful politicization of WW2 for gain, rachel?

or are you just going to hit and run in your typical PC manner?

let me know if you're ready.
yawn.

 

[Praus]

does it -matter- if his source is jewish?

it seems once you get going you aren't even able to hide the role racial factors play in your worldview...

Sister Rachel, GBU. Here's something by Saul Alinsky, a famous Russian-Jewish American, for entertainment. Let's remember that Zone is our sister, the real enemy is the devil.

Rules for Radicals
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

 

[zone]

You made a plain statement of fact, are you backpedaling? That doesn't suggest any credibility.

backpedaling?
from what?

here it is again:

people who approve of and support the mass murder of populations around the world IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (because they believe false doctrine they were fed via the satanic Scofield bible and other sources, or because they love to be manipulated by TV) will - IF THEY DO NOT REPENT - answer to God for it.

you don't agree?

Of course I agree! I'm completely aware of all these things, especially the apartheid nature of modern Israel.

I & I gonna wage revolution just like the Rastafarians in Jamaica: "tomorrow mon".

cute.
i'm not a revolutionary.

i do not support revolutions, and i do not support western created revolutionaries who destroy other nations for a broader agenda.

of course, people would have to believe there's method in the madness of the "Arab Spring"; and other revolutions that have gone on throughout modern history.

just simple stuff.
that's available to anyone...where the planning and funding for the Bolsheviks came from.
things like that.

i just read it, and post on it.
i'm anti-revolution.
and anti-anti-christ.

which is why i do not 'support' Israel (i.e: money for WMD and (fake) racist dominion wrapped up in perpetual victim narratives).

[video=youtube;Auf-Su-xZVU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auf-Su-xZVU[/video]

 

[zone]

Sister Rachel, GBU. Here's something by Saul Alinsky, a famous Russian-Jewish American, for entertainment. Let's remember that Zone is our sister, the real enemy is the devil.

Rules for Radicals
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

dear friend.
you got me confused with someone else.
i just defend what i know, against attacks from the folks who use those tactics.

once again, you're new here.

your sister rachel stated Syrian and Palestinian christians (and all others in the region i suppose; Iraqi, Libyan...?? too many to count) deserve what they get for living where they do (trying to go to school and work - she said only terrible mothers would subject their children to (non existent?) checkpoints and cages - which should be there since boys are throwing rocks......and for "supporting" homicidal maniacs like Assad who is "about to use WMD on his own people"....you know....THAT routine. Humanitarian intervention time...according to the PNAC compassionate doctrine.

so off goes the world's policemen who took to themselves (led by the nose) R2P.

hows that workin out for everybody?

as GW asked: IS THE WORLD A SAFER PLACE ? (since we got rid of that horrible awful Saddam).
is it?

is the world a safer place?

 

[Praus]

this has something to do with me?
i didn't shoot kennedy.
but i know who did.
holocaust denier?
what's that?
we're not allowed to ask questions?
who said you need me as an ally?

View attachment 55472
As a Christian of Syrian and Palestinian background the last allies I want are Holocaust deniers. You lost the war a long time ago.

The only way you can answer me is my changing the language? So where is where is your credibility?

you post a jewish source about fighting people who question the holocaust narrative - when the narrative has already been revised several times by jewish historians?

sorry - i'm not easily intimidated on an story that has been built on "faulty intelligence".
ever.

with all due respect, you're new here.
it's not cheap shot, it's accurate.

your friend rachel there is on record saying Syrian Christians deserve what they got in the (fake) Syrian freedom-fighter revolution. for supporting the evil Assad. and just for being there.

she denies the Syrian freedom fighters are foreign (western) funded and supported death squads sent it to bring down Syria. just like Libya before....and all those fake Arab Spring revolutions.

she has no explanation for why Assad would just start killing his own citizens., though. just that he's evil.
but course, it's me who slanders nations.

if that's cool with you, great!
i reject it.

Too bad then, again, you shot your credibility with Holocaust denial.

 

[zone]

I'm completely aware of all these things, especially the apartheid nature of modern Israel..

oh dear.
hopefully rachel won't come after you over that antisemitic canard.

Israel is apartheid (or anything immoral)?
tsk tsk.

 

[BernardW]

Are there really still nut cases out there that don't accept the overwhelming evidence that Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were behind the 9/11 attacks? How can someone be taken seriously about anything if they buy into the nut case conspiracy theories like those.



[h=1][/h]

 

[PennEd]

jews are obsessed with silencing any question surrounding the holocaust narrative.
so why would a jewish source calling for the criminal prosecution and persecution of people who ask questions (pick any source) be of any value to people who claim to love truth at any cost, regardless of where it leads.

of course, if i post Jewish sources, such as The New Historians, or jewish sources who ask questions, they get rejected too.

does this mean you're ready to discuss the holocaust facts; myths; and disgraceful politicization of WW2 for gain, rachel?

or are you just going to hit and run in your typical PC manner?

let me know if you're ready.
yawn.

I've seen enough, to to know I've seen enough. This post of yours is an outrage! You align yourself with the likes of neo-nazis and Ahmadinejad to name just a few of the jew haters and anti-semites. My uncle WAS there, and liberated one of the death camps and SAW what was done to these people. He couldn't even talk about it without crying like a baby. The difference with you is to try and cloak your hatred of them with this nonsense about the Church being Israel and the Jews there now aren't really Jews. Your heart is hardened toward hearing ANYTHING that stands against your deeply entrenched narrative. I pray, in Jesus name, that the Lord will soften your heart.

 

[zone]

The only way you can answer me is my changing the language? So where is where is your credibility?
Too bad then, again, you shot your credibility with Holocaust denial.

what holocaust denial?

if you want precise language, you need to be precise.

why don't you ask me what it is about the narrative that i "deny"?

if you did, the answer would be - the same lies that were told in the beginning, that are now "denied" by Jewish Holocaust Historians.

but the buzz-phrases and triggers that make people shrink away in fear and loathing do the job so well...you don't even know what i believe.

neither do you know the facts apparently.
which is what certain people count on.

many lies that were told (let's blame it on 'faulty intelligence') have been retracted officially.

yet agreeing with the revised facts still makes one 'a holocaust denier'.

LOL....too much cognitive dissonance, man...i can't handle it.

the carefully crafted words are repugnant. even though they are a complete misnomer, it works like a charm.

what i find amusing is how ignorant people are about facts that are available to anyone.
willfully ignorant.....fearful.

[video=youtube;Nex-oSKPX2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nex-oSKPX2w[/video]

Anti-semitic, Its a Trick, We Always Use it

1 minute 22 seconds.



course, she's probably lying.
maybe an antisemitic holocaust-heretic.

 

[Praus]

dear friend.
you got me confused with someone else.
i just defend what i know, against attacks from the folks who use those tactics.

once again, you're new here.

your sister rachel stated Syrian and Palestinian christians (and all others in the region i suppose; Iraqi, Libyan...?? too many to count) deserve what they get for living where they do (trying to go to school and work - she said only terrible mothers would subject their children to (non existent?) checkpoints and cages - which should be there since boys are throwing rocks......and for "supporting" homicidal maniacs like Assad who is "about to use WMD on his own people"....you know....THAT routine. Humanitarian intervention time...according to the PNAC compassionate doctrine.

so off goes the world's policemen who took to themselves (led by the nose) R2P.

hows that workin out for everybody?

as GW asked: IS THE WORLD A SAFER PLACE ? (since we got rid of that horrible awful Saddam).
is it?

is the world a safer place?

The short answer is NO.

As horrible awful and dictatorial as he was, Saddam kept all the radicals in line, like Bashar al-Assad, both leaders are substantially better than the alternative, as we've seen in Iraq.

I was always against the US invasion of Iraq and, as an American, I'm repelled by the very existence of something called the Department of Homeland Security.

The response of the United States to 9/11 has been one bad mistake after another and the world is, yes, a more dangerous place because of George Bush's "war" on terror.

By now, you might guess I have little tolerance for neocons, so I vote for other guy.

None of the above, and nothing that Rachel writes, abrogates your psychotic level of antisemitism.

It's a good thing this thread started, we can let the sun shine in.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

i know what that poster has been posting.
my post was making it's own point.



here it is again for you.
since you've done a 180 one part without ever acknowledging your first mistake, perhaps someday you'll wise up to the rest.

Rachel:
did the Khazars convert to Talmudic Judaism in 700AD?
were they ever of JACOB?
do they claim they ever were?

if not, are they Biblically Hebrews?
stated even more simply - though someone can be jewish, does this mean they are of Jacob?

Rachel:
were the Herods both Jews and not of Jacob?

Rachel:
were the Herods the seven heads of Revelation and the clay mingled with iron in Daniel?
previously you were adamant the answer was no, and i that i was a kook for suggesting it.

......

Rachel:
does the latest DNA research on the Ashkenazism match the Khazarian hypothesis; or the Rhineland hypothesis?

see....it's never been me that cares about RACE.
i've been against the liars everywhere who have both claimed racial descent they can not prove since it isn't true, and against those who claim Christian theology states race has anything to do with salvation of God's Plan.



1) not quite.
the Khazar reality is not a myth. and it's not MY myth.
i didn't dream up ANY OF IT.

the Khazars themselves are not ashamed of their heritage, so why are you?

2) and again, not quite.
my consistent argument has been:

- the LAND PROMISE was fulfilled for Biblical Israel. you can deny this if you want to - it would just make you another false teacher. i've posted on this from the beginning.

- the Israelis have no BIBLICAL right to the Land whether they are truly of Jacob or not, since JESUS CHRIST left THEIR (jacob's APOSTATE people's) LAND DESOLATE. the elect remnant received their inheritance - JESUS CHRIST and eternal life in the eternal kingdom, which is not of this world, nor in earthly Jerusalem. deny that if you want to.

- the Israelis (whatever their races are) have no right to the LAND based on supposed moral superiority or chosen-ness.
no one who rejects the Son has the Father. deal with that.

- Israelis can not prove any descent back to Abraham any more than you can. the closest anyone can come is regional (semitic) ancestry, and that is NOT a purely racial designation, nor is it proof of belonging to the 12 tribes.

- Israel established itself there (with the help of christian-zionists) on RACIAL GROUNDS. deny this, too if you want to.



lol...if i could drop books onto an internet site i would.
i'm not trying to impress anybody rachel - that assertion just shows you have some internal issue going on
if people don't like having links to resources (which happen to be digital since i can't hand you a book) that's too bad i guess.



what "debate"?
there's no debate.
there are only facts.
and then there are lies.

you're not interested because you already know the story is full of holes.
that's fine.
some people need that secondary pseudo-religion to avoid thinking.
i understand.



i'm not worried about what you think, in that regard.



who cares if you were for or against the invasion.
you still prop up the faulty intelligence that started it.
and it continues today.
and you prop that up with more faulty intelligence.



i said all along i disagree with the reformers idea that the Papacy was THE BIG ANTICHRIST of scripture.
i don't have to say amen to that to be a Lutheran.
we don't 'confess' that in church, nor is it required for confirmation.



LOLOL....the marks of AN antichrist are written in scripture.
nowhere am i required to profess the POPE is the THE ANTICHRIST or that Rome is the Great Harlot of Revelation to be a Lutheran.

the reformers clearly thought so.
so what?

christians today think Obama is THE Antichrist.

and find me saying anywhere Catholicism or the Papacy hasn't anathematized the Gospel.

as for sloppy research, maybe it's better to just post my opinion without sources like you do - then people can really be impressed. i've watched your progression of thought. waiting to see what's safe.

cough.

i -know- that the khazars largely converted to judaism during the middle ages...i have never claimed otherwise...
i -know- that the khazars are not descendants of jacob...i have never claimed otherwise...

what i -reject- is the false notion that the modern ashkenazi jews are descenants of the khazars...

we have been through all of this before...you misrepresent my views just like you misrepresent everything else...

i don't recall expressing an opinion on your theory that the herods are the seven heads of the beast in revelation or that they have anything to do with the feet of iron and clay in the vision of daniel...and i generally don't call people 'kooks' for expressing views that i don't have much of an opinion about...

what you call 'the latest DNA research' is a single study with fatal flaws that have been pointed out several times by me and by others...including leading geneticists... the overwhelming majority of DNA research agrees with the fact that the khazar myth is just that...a myth...

regarding your claim that 'the khazars themselves are not ashamed of their heritage'...this is also a misrepresentation which has been addressed before...the authors of the source you cite for everything khazar related never claim that they themselves or their ethnic group are descendants of the khazars...

given the frequency of lies in your posts...it is clear that you are fluent in the devil's native language...

i agree that the land promise to israel was already fulfilled...and that there are no biblical rights regarding the land...which makes the entire issue of the state of israel a -secular- one rather than a religious one... and recognizing that...a corrolary of the basic human right of self determination is that an ethnic group is entitled to an independent and secure state in its ethnic homeland... it is -racist- to deny this right to the state of israel while having little or no objection to other ethnic homeland states in the world...why is it that you don't deny uzbekistan's right to exist?

i meant exactly what i said about debating the holocaust...i am not interested in debating that with you because i am not worried that anyone will actually take your opinions on the holocaust seriously... since i see no imminent danger of you misleading others on that topic...and if anything you only discredit yourself when you talk about it...you can have all the rope you want there...

how am i 'propping up' faulty intelligence when i -acknowledge- that it was faulty? that doesn't even make sense...


now this comes directly from the website of the lutheran church - missouri synod...the one you link to in your signature...

"The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod accepts the Scriptures as the inspired and inerrant Word of God, and subscribes unconditionally to all the symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church as a true and unadulterated statement and exposition of the Word of God."

"We accept the Lutheran Confessions as articulated in the Book of Concord of 1580 because they are drawn from the Word of God and on that account regard their doctrinal content as a true and binding exposition of Holy Scripture and as authoritative for all pastors, congregations and other rostered church workers of The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod."

clearly LCMS churches do not regard the lutheran confessions as simply 'the reformers idea' as you do...they regard them as 'a true and binding exposition of holy scripture'...

part of the 'doctrinal content' of the lutheran confessions is the teaching that the papacy is the antichrist...and you are a member of an LCMS congregation... you have said all along that you disagree with this teaching of the lutheran confessions which is clearly also a teaching of the LCMS...since you do not 'subscribe unconditionally' to the lutheran confessions with the rest of the LCMS...at best you can be considered a hypocritical professing member of the LCMS in unrepented error as judged by LCMS statements of faith who has thus far managed to evade church discipline...and therefore it is inappropriate for you to have a link to the LCMS in your signature...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

jews are obsessed with silencing any question surrounding the holocaust narrative.

you wouldn't be asserting a -racial stereotype- would you?

like i said...you can't even hide it...