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We must learn the sense of scripture, What is it saying? Jesus' death did not reverse the curse on sinners or on this world . We are born under the curse, the wrath of God is still on the "elect" when we(they) are born. The election is not salvation .it is unto salvation. I was chosen "in Christ" to sal. before the world began, but I was "saved" in 1961. We are reconciled when we repent, trust and obey Jesus. This is my ministry ,to point sinners to Christ to receive the reconciliation provided by the Cross. Therefore sal. is not by grace alone, or by faith alone or by Christ alone. "Grace alone" would saved the whole world the moment Jesus died, this is heresy. The death of Christ meant that God is satisfied, the debt is paid for all the world, in the "all" sense, Jesus died for "all", in the reality of who goes to Heaven in the end, Jesus only died for the "many". Only the "many" were raised "with" Christ, to the position of sal. in Heaven, even those who are not born yet are raised with Christ. In the mind of God it is a done deal. BUT when we invite sinners to Christ We say to them, this is the deal, repent trust and obey, "deal or no deal" make up your mind, will you repent trust and obey to receive sal. from God? Even a child can under stand it, only good people go to heaven. There is no free lunch, in this sense. In another sense, sal. is a free lunch. We are dead, can not come to Christ, God freely "saves us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing ot the Holy Spirit" I tell the children and adults, you hate God naturally, ask God to save you, so can love God naturally. If you find it impossible to be good, you are still lost. Lov to all. Hoffco
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There is only one God, but He consists of three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The word “trinity” is not found in Scripture. It is a word used by Christians to express the doctrine of the unity of God as consisting of three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Greek word trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Latin trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine.
The propositions involved in the doctrine are these:
Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ, incarnate Son of God (John 14:28, 13:16; 1 Cor. 11:3; Phil. 2:6-8).
Ok, that's my last posttil tonight, I must go do some work of the Lord's for me in this sinful fallen world that is good for me to do
, but, what do you mean 'confusing,' xianconsult? This makes no sense. By making Jesus seperate from God in being you are the one who confuses things, brother
Who are you woshipping? Jesus or God ? You are worshipping one or the other, can't be both, with your way of viewing the Deity? It's Deity 'plural' too for you, but not for me, it's VERY simple: Deity . And, that Deity= God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, who are One
The word “trinity” is not found in Scripture. It is a word used by Christians to express the doctrine of the unity of God as consisting of three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Greek word trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Latin trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine.
The propositions involved in the doctrine are these:
- That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut. 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 44:6; Mark 12:29, 32; John 10:30).
- That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit.
- That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. (John 20:30-31)
- That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.
Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ, incarnate Son of God (John 14:28, 13:16; 1 Cor. 11:3; Phil. 2:6-8).
Ok, that's my last posttil tonight, I must go do some work of the Lord's for me in this sinful fallen world that is good for me to do
, but, what do you mean 'confusing,' xianconsult? This makes no sense. By making Jesus seperate from God in being you are the one who confuses things, brother Who are you woshipping? Jesus or God ? You are worshipping one or the other, can't be both, with your way of viewing the Deity? It's Deity 'plural' too for you, but not for me, it's VERY simple: Deity . And, that Deity= God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, who are One
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Then let us agree to disagree. I won't tell you what you write is silly, I'll be nice, respectful and polite
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
It would be just silly to say that God gave Him glory just because He loved Him, when it says that He had glory BEFORE the world was. Don't you think?
This proves what I have been saying
Father I want those with me you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory the glory you have given me, because you loved me before the creation of the world
John17:24
More of the plain words of Christ. He states he has glory because the Father loves him, yet I am told that is silly
Father I want those with me you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory the glory you have given me, because you loved me before the creation of the world
John17:24
More of the plain words of Christ. He states he has glory because the Father loves him, yet I am told that is silly
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There is always order in the Godhead. so, our families should have order. the Father is the BOSS, the wife submits and the children obey the parents, SO it is in the trinity. In God, the Father is the BOSS, the son sub. and the H.S. obey the F.and the S. .All creation is a reflection of the Godhead, all the good and the bad is a reflection of God's nature, God creates the good and He creates the bad; because God is love and God is wrath, eternally. He elects "Many" to love and the rest He "appoints" to hate. The serious Bible student can not miss this, it is all thru the Bible. The "only begotten Son", means ,He is sub. to the Father, eternally. As the son of man, He is sub. to Himself as God the Son. As the son of man he limits his knowledge ,as God the son, He knows every thing. OH, by the way, I don't like the term, "double predestination", It is a smear on God's character of Love, "in love He predestined us to adoption" Love to all, Hoffco
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I don't mean you, for some reason I've quite taken to you, but I wish you could see. For some, this is not about searching for truth, it is about them trying to prove, they know, strut their stuff. Though I've just given the plainest of scripture supporting what I've stated it will be argued against, assuredly
Why do you think the ministers don't make the relentless demands a few do on these websites?
There has to be a reason
Like I say, a few have no interest in searching for truth, they only want to push themselves forward as an authority, that's why they insist on the demands they do that no one else does, and that's why they will never yield, no matter what is placed before them
People in the churches are rarely like that
I don't mean you, for some reason I've quite taken to you, but I wish you could see. For some, this is not about searching for truth, it is about them trying to prove, they know, strut their stuff. Though I've just given the plainest of scripture supporting what I've stated it will be argued against, assuredly
Why do you think the ministers don't make the relentless demands a few do on these websites?
There has to be a reason
Like I say, a few have no interest in searching for truth, they only want to push themselves forward as an authority, that's why they insist on the demands they do that no one else does, and that's why they will never yield, no matter what is placed before them
People in the churches are rarely like that
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And in the many instances before creation where God foreordained the beginning to the end, what glory did God bestowed upon the Word, the very Voice of the Godhead? "O FATHER"!!!! What glory it was to have been chosen to be the Son in God's foreknowledge. What glory it was to bring in many of His brethren. Having the Sonhood bestowed on Him, He, the Word, could bring to a conclusion the fulfillment of God's will. What joy the Word must have felt knowing that He, the One who fulfills God's will, was chosen to do it.
P.S. This is the love God gave Him: the Glory of the only Begotten Son. But, the Word had glory before the world began.
P.S. This is the love God gave Him: the Glory of the only Begotten Son. But, the Word had glory before the world began.
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God does not give glory to His Son because of His Love for Him, don't be silly, that's NOT in Scripture, brothersile
John17:24
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"The only BEGOTTEN Son, who is in the BOSOM of the Father" This is a term of love. The son, in a sense, has been away on this mission on earth, He is tired of the messy work He has been doing for 33 yrs, he wants to go home to His loving Father. So, now stretch it out to 6,000 yrs , the Son has been working on earth, it is not like ,"the good old days". Right? Right! Hoffco A parable By Hoffco
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You and I do not see with the same eyes. But, since this is what you feel, then I cannot but take your word that this is how you see things. With that in mind, may I simply suggest to you and others that it is wise to do your best to overlook what you would consider to be "mean spirited/prideful or whatever other adjective you wish to describe others' words" and consider the overall message they are saying. Most of the time, if you take a breather, you will realize that the order of words or their usage will have a different meaning to that person than it does to you.
I was highly offended when someone first called me "dawg". But, I realize now that it means "friend". Perhaps, knowing that we are talking to another human, without judging them to be either this or that, then compassion will have her place.
I was highly offended when someone first called me "dawg". But, I realize now that it means "friend". Perhaps, knowing that we are talking to another human, without judging them to be either this or that, then compassion will have her place.
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If you keep looking at the sins you'll never see the light. :|
It's not about sin.
If you have to say SIN or HELL you don't know the gospel.
It's not about sin.
If you have to say SIN or HELL you don't know the gospel.
The brother here is saying show me one verse that says you must believe Jesus is God to be saved. Please don't butt in without understanding...