Do Dinosaur Fossils Validate the "Old Earth" Theory?

[4enlightment]

Dinosaurs weren't around billions of years ago and there is no evidence of a worldwide flood.
If you think otherwise please list one scientifically peer reviewed source that says so (no creationist
sources) please.

Again, still waiting on just ONE dinosaur bone to be found lying next to human bones.

By BBC News Online's Tom HousdenThe remains of what has been described as a huge lost city may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history.
Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old.
The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.
BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Lost city 'could rewrite history'


Cuba's Sunken City
Deep in the waters of Cabo de San Antonio, off Cuba's coast, researchers are exploring unusual formations of smooth blocks, crests, and geometric shapes. The Canadian exploration company that discovered the formations, Advanced Digital Communications, has suggested that they could be the buildings and monuments of an early, unknown American civilization.
New Underwater Finds Raise Questions About Flood Myths

Local fishermen raised on the legends were able to point the team to a dive site where the ruins were located. Expedition leader Monty Halls described the excitement the team felt on discovering the underwater structures.



There's are some evidence but science will claim it as the ice-age.

 

[Praus]

The "human" footprints were faked.

-The "human" footprints referred to in the claim, are misidentified specimens of dinosaur footprints which bear a greater or lesser degree of similarity to human footprints. In some cases, Glen Rose residents have been known to artificially enhance particular footprints' similarity to human footprints in order to attract tourists' dollars.

-Furthermore, the "human" footprints, misidentified or counterfeit, don't resemble human footprints, either in size, nor shape, in the first place.

-It is by far a more parsimonious explanation that these fossils are wrongly identified or are faked rather than the entire fields of paleontology, paleoichnology and anthropology are wrong.

This is silly, the Bible says "tread upon" the "dinosaurs", not "next to" them, so there's no reason for human and "dinosaur" footprints to ever co-occur in nature.

Ps 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation; ... 13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

-Creationist think-tank Answers in Genesis agrees that this claim is false, and is on their list of arguments that should not be used.

That's a good link, thank you. Poor Voltaire ....

"The Geneva Bible Society used Voltaire’s house to produce Bibles. (This has never been verified.)"

Again, if dinosaurs coexisted with humans we would expect to find dinosaur fossils in the same layer
of the geological column as human fossils. But we don't, the dinosaur fossils are in a much deeper/older
section of the column.

It's dusty in the pit (shĕˀowl) so the bones move around.

Job 17:16 They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when [our] rest together [is] in the dust.

 

[Bowman]

There's the two theories: Old and new Earth.

Don't dinosaur fossils pretty much prove and Old Earth?

Yes....they do...

 

[Bowman]

The Bible says the nephilim is the origin of the giants. One theory (probably the best) is that some type of eugenics or genetic modification (in other words science) was involved. Science requires experiments. Dinosaurs are the results of experiments on birds and reptiles. That puts their ceration to within the memories of written history, thus within the last 6000 or so years.

Are you cuckoo for cocoa puffs, brother...?

 

[Bookends]

It's a really good observation. Let's deal with it. As you know, 500 years ago, we were doing alchemy and thought the sun was at the center of the solar system. Out current sceitific culture begins with the invention of graphing, then of calculus based on that. Our current science is just about 400 years old. If we go with the Chinese date (the most complete and agrees with Genesis), the Flood was 3122 BC. Certainly there was a major flood in Sumeria, found in the 1920's I think, dated by strata to about that age. Writing developed from pictures from about 3500 BC. The legends put Adam and Eve before 3700BC, no matter where you look. They had 600 years or more to create this science. We know for certain that before the sin, Adam and Eve talked to God. Their intelligence would not surprise us. What we read, is that some of Adam and Eve's children became angry with God and invited fallen angels to possess them. If that is true, then it is also true what the legends say that these men had the knowledge given them by the fallen angels. I think for your observation to be proved valid, we would have to give our science another 100-200 years. As far as evidence, giants are well attested in every middle east culture from middle Kingdom Egypt on. Even today, finds are still turning up of a race of 9-15 feet tall people. Another note is that we have no need to produce giants; the stories say they were produced as policemen, when a few dozen nephilim divided the world among them and controlled the population, a very different situation from democracy (real or pretended) that is common in today's world.

1) Where in the bible does it say that men invited fallen angels to possess them?

2) Even these men where possessed, it wouldn't effect human anatomy for spirits/angles can't reproduce. It's still a human male sperm and female egg, a human embryo.

3) If men possessed by angels where so smart, then they should have be able to leave a record of their intelligence and work behind in some advanced method. There should be some record of the other advance creations besides "dinosaurs" such as non-life material similar to what you'd find in a landfill today.

4) Please direct me to proof that there was to 9'-15' tall men.

5) Why didn't the fallen angels possess men immediately after the flood and today to produce a super human, or dinosaur? On the contrary to what you say about no need for them, but yet what huge money maker it would be to produce a giant or dinosaur.

6) The flood account was God judgment on mankind, not fallen angles.

I hope you consider these points and questions. What you are suggesting is pure speculation and highly improbable which certainly has no biblical basis. And following this assumption to its logical conclusion(s) would create and lead to devastating repercussions and false doctrines.

 

[Bowman]

No, because the Lord could create a world that appears to be billions of years old, when in fact he only created that world now.

Creating a young earth to look old would be deceitful....and we know that God is not deceitful...

 

[resurrection33]

Creating a young earth to look old would be deceitful....and we know that God is not deceitful...

I'm not saying he did that. I'm just saying he could have. He might have done it, and he might have had good reason.

 

[Bowman]

I'm not saying he did that. I'm just saying he could have. He might have done it, and he might have had good reason.

If the earth appears old to us then....well...it probably is...

The laws of physics tell us that it is...

 

[resurrection33]

If the earth appears old to us then....well...it probably is...

The laws of physics tell us that it is...

The Lord created the laws if physics - he is not governed by them.

 

[Bowman]

Most curious is that YEC's even think that the earth looks old - even to them!

But...being YEC's, they must then invent the notion that God created then earth with the appearance of age so that what they plainly see with their eyes can then match their interpretation of scripture...

 

[Bowman]

The Lord created the laws if physics - he is not governed by them.

Agreed...

 

[resurrection33]

Most curious is that YEC's even think that the earth looks old - even to them!

But...being YEC's, they must then invent the notion that God created then earth with the appearance of age so that what they plainly see with their eyes can then match their interpretation of scripture...

Does it matter what YEC's think? I'd never heard of them till I googled them a moment ago. Still don't know what they are. (The google article is about as long as a book.)

 

[Bowman]

Does it matter what YEC's think? I'd never heard of them till I googled them a moment ago. Still don't know what they are. (The google article is about as long as a book.)

YEC = Young Earth Creationist.

The age of the earth is not required for salvation...however, since Christianity is almost evenly split between YEC & OEC, the outsider looking in sees only confusion and might be turned-off by what he or she sees...and never come to the truth of Christ.

 

[resurrection33]

YEC = Young Earth Creationist.

The age of the earth is not required for salvation...however, since Christianity is almost evenly split between YEC & OEC, the outsider looking in sees only confusion and might be turned-off by what he or she sees...and never come to the truth of Christ.

We do argue a lot, don't we? I think Satan has a lot to do with that. He is constantly tempting us to be prideful, and that causes us to treat each other disrespectfully, which leads to fighting.

 

[Praus]

If the earth appears old to us then....well...it probably is...

The laws of physics tell us that it is...

Maxwell's equations prove young earth.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (KJV)

 

[Bowman]

We do argue a lot, don't we? I think Satan has a lot to do with that. He is constantly tempting us to be prideful, and that causes us to treat each other disrespectfully, which leads to fighting.

I prefer to call it discussing truth.

God does not want us to be robots - but rather to study His word (Special Revelation) as compared to His Creation (General Revelation).

Both are from the one God and both should agree with each other...

 

[Bowman]

Maxwell's equations prove young earth.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (KJV)

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The two most proven principles in physics (Special & General Relativity) demonstrate an old earth.

 

[resurrection33]

I prefer to call it discussing truth.

God does not want us to be robots - but rather to study His word (Special Revelation) as compared to His Creation (General Revelation).

Both are from the one God and both should agree with each other...

Well, we should obey his commandments.

 

[Praus]

Creating a young earth to look old would be deceitful....and we know that God is not deceitful...

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, ... 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[Praus]

The two most proven principles in physics (Special & General Relativity) demonstrate an old earth.

Generally relativity implies black holes, which proves young earth.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning ... 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.