Bakery closes after Christians refuse to bake gay wedding cake!
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Sexual Orientation is NOT a protected class under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and as such receives no such exemption from discrimination. Some states have enacted anti-discrimination legislation allowing for protection from discrimination or harassment regarding employment or housing or business based on sexual orientation. The city of Salem, Oregon is one example of this.
The town where this bakery does business is in Gresham, Oregon and has no local regulations in place for protection of classes not covered by Federal law. (See Oregon Revised Statutes [ORS} Chapter 659A)
The Unruh Civil Rights Act of the 1960's in California is one such regulation providing protection from discrimination by all business establishments regardless of age,race,ancestry,disability,national origin,religion,gender,dress or sexual orientation.
In a lawsuit brought by a local biker (motorcyclists for the uninitiated) club against a sports bar in California where the bikers were refused service, was dismissed by the court. Fascinating that the most liberal state in the United States will protect pretty much every "class" but bikers.
Oh well, comes with being one of the ~dregs~ of society, I suppose.
(Yes, I AM a biker!)
The town where this bakery does business is in Gresham, Oregon and has no local regulations in place for protection of classes not covered by Federal law. (See Oregon Revised Statutes [ORS} Chapter 659A)
The Unruh Civil Rights Act of the 1960's in California is one such regulation providing protection from discrimination by all business establishments regardless of age,race,ancestry,disability,national origin,religion,gender,dress or sexual orientation.
In a lawsuit brought by a local biker (motorcyclists for the uninitiated) club against a sports bar in California where the bikers were refused service, was dismissed by the court. Fascinating that the most liberal state in the United States will protect pretty much every "class" but bikers.
Oh well, comes with being one of the ~dregs~ of society, I suppose.
(Yes, I AM a biker!)
If a certain conduct or behaviour is condemned as sin and wickedness and anathematized by God, but is protected by the law of the land governed by a worldly government, should we as Christians uphold this sinful 'law' written by ungodly men and in the process turn against God and his word?
If you are a Christian as you claim, would you be willing to preach the Gospel to the sodomites and encourage them to turn from their evil lifestyle? If you do preach this, wouldn't you be labelled as bigoted, intolerant and hate filled? Ironically these are the same words you used in this thread to malign conservative, Bible-believing Christians.
You have been talking about showing love to the sodomites and not being judgemental of them. Unfortunately you have demonstrated the contrary with your posts addressed to people who oppose the sodomite hatred of God. Have you shown love to your fellow Christians who were forced to lose their livelihood? You have been quick to condemn them and spew your hatred on them for holding on to their clear Biblical stance. You have called conservative Christians vile names. It looks like you have an agenda of your own. And it certainly has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.
Turn back to God and His word. Do not be brainwashed by the trends and fancies of the world which may seem right to you, but is blasphemy in the eyes of God. Please do not show contempt to the ways of God by following after the rudiments of the world. The world and its wickedness is heading for swift destruction under the wrath of God's holy judgement.
Isaiah 5:20-21 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
"The Gospel may now only be preached safely to white, able-bodied heterosexuals, and you’d better hope that ‘any other person’ doesn’t happen accidentally to overhear,” ”It’s a good job adultery, drunkenness and theft aren’t protected characteristics–there’d be nobody left to preach to." - UK reporter Adrian Hilton
If you are a Christian as you claim, would you be willing to preach the Gospel to the sodomites and encourage them to turn from their evil lifestyle? If you do preach this, wouldn't you be labelled as bigoted, intolerant and hate filled? Ironically these are the same words you used in this thread to malign conservative, Bible-believing Christians.
You have been talking about showing love to the sodomites and not being judgemental of them. Unfortunately you have demonstrated the contrary with your posts addressed to people who oppose the sodomite hatred of God. Have you shown love to your fellow Christians who were forced to lose their livelihood? You have been quick to condemn them and spew your hatred on them for holding on to their clear Biblical stance. You have called conservative Christians vile names. It looks like you have an agenda of your own. And it certainly has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.
Turn back to God and His word. Do not be brainwashed by the trends and fancies of the world which may seem right to you, but is blasphemy in the eyes of God. Please do not show contempt to the ways of God by following after the rudiments of the world. The world and its wickedness is heading for swift destruction under the wrath of God's holy judgement.
Isaiah 5:20-21 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
"The Gospel may now only be preached safely to white, able-bodied heterosexuals, and you’d better hope that ‘any other person’ doesn’t happen accidentally to overhear,” ”It’s a good job adultery, drunkenness and theft aren’t protected characteristics–there’d be nobody left to preach to." - UK reporter Adrian Hilton
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1 Corinthians 5
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
No idea about American law, but under trade laws the shop can rightly refuse customers if it is deemed inappropriate, but still must not discriminate. The examples people are giving in order to justify refusing to serve homoseuxals is ridiculous.
In Germany this New Jersey couple would be arrested for ordering a cake with a swastika and name Adolf Hitler. We all know the association and meaning of Hitler and Nazi Germany, it is for most people it is a vile and evil regime and the shop was right to refuse.
Showing X rated images and producing cakes in shape of penis etc is not an automatic right for a customer, shops can and will refuse that kind of thing every day and all day long and it is not illegal to refuse it according to retail law.
Refusing to make something which has two bride models on top of cake is not legal grounds for refusing custom as its not explicit, shocking or going to cause a public indecency or cause offence, if the shop was asked to put a picture the two women in a naked embrace on the cake with everything showing, then they could refuse for the above reasons and it would be thrown out of any court if taken to court.
The issue of a photographer photographing an orgy, that is ridiculous, no photographer will be prosecuted for failing to do that, as it is falls within the obscenity and decency laws and businesses can refuse to do it even if they are all homosexuals, even asking to photograph someone nude can be rejected based on decency, even if they are homosexual. Ridiculous comparison to make.
Photographer saying "no I Can not take your custom it as I do not agree with homosexual wedding" is against the law. "that is stupid thing to say to homosexuals and simply asking for problems, all the photographer has to say is "sorry I am already booked for that day, but I can recommend you another photographer, I hope your day goes well for you".
Failing to provide goods or services based on religion, gender, colour, race, disability, sexual orientation is illegal. If you dont want to serve homoseuxals then don't run a business.
In Germany this New Jersey couple would be arrested for ordering a cake with a swastika and name Adolf Hitler. We all know the association and meaning of Hitler and Nazi Germany, it is for most people it is a vile and evil regime and the shop was right to refuse.
Showing X rated images and producing cakes in shape of penis etc is not an automatic right for a customer, shops can and will refuse that kind of thing every day and all day long and it is not illegal to refuse it according to retail law.
Refusing to make something which has two bride models on top of cake is not legal grounds for refusing custom as its not explicit, shocking or going to cause a public indecency or cause offence, if the shop was asked to put a picture the two women in a naked embrace on the cake with everything showing, then they could refuse for the above reasons and it would be thrown out of any court if taken to court.
The issue of a photographer photographing an orgy, that is ridiculous, no photographer will be prosecuted for failing to do that, as it is falls within the obscenity and decency laws and businesses can refuse to do it even if they are all homosexuals, even asking to photograph someone nude can be rejected based on decency, even if they are homosexual. Ridiculous comparison to make.
Photographer saying "no I Can not take your custom it as I do not agree with homosexual wedding" is against the law. "that is stupid thing to say to homosexuals and simply asking for problems, all the photographer has to say is "sorry I am already booked for that day, but I can recommend you another photographer, I hope your day goes well for you".
Failing to provide goods or services based on religion, gender, colour, race, disability, sexual orientation is illegal. If you dont want to serve homoseuxals then don't run a business.
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Well,how can I compete with that I choose God or going against my beliefs,easy answer God and what I know to be right of course.You put homosexuality in a category of sexual orientation?Well then why does God call it immorality and a choice to live immorally.Disability is not a choice,gender is not ,race either.Gay acceptance,wow even Christians see no wrong in this.Yeah I am sure God supports "THE SEXUAL ORIENTATION"and then to make a cake to celebrate the unholy union of such.How wrong that is.
Question,how would it be different if instead of a bakery it was a grocery store that refused sell food to them? With everything else being the same (More of a question out of curiosity) Would it change something or would it be the same thing?
I know some restaurants have very clear cut guide lines into to even to be seated yet there is not problem with that. (Which is not a need for survival) A wedding cake is also not a need but can we say the same thing about food,clothing and shelter? And is there a big difference between providing needs and wants?
I know some restaurants have very clear cut guide lines into to even to be seated yet there is not problem with that. (Which is not a need for survival) A wedding cake is also not a need but can we say the same thing about food,clothing and shelter? And is there a big difference between providing needs and wants?
Not selling food or clothes to them would be be wrong even the bakery bot selling them a birthday cwke or cookies would be wrong an i think had they asked for anything but a wedding cake they would have got it... this qhole thing isnt about not selling things to homosexuals is about not helpung them with something we know is wrong.
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Hard call I think. It is interesting to see where people draw the lines on what morality is being threatened.
I would say some think it similar to Daniel 3 in that they are refusing to do something against their belief.
"But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.”
At the same time then as someone else stated who else would they not make cakes for? Would they refuse a birthday cake for a known alcoholic? How about a wedding cake for someone who very obviously was pregnant [fornication] before marriage? But then again a friend of mine recently told me some people at a restaurant he was at were behaving badly and the manager told them to leave. Is it illegal to not serve rude people? I think this is really the heart of the issue when it comes to a Christian insulating themselves against sin. Are they serving other sinners who quietly sin but not the outspoken ones?
I fixed computers for 15 or so years, I never refused anyone service based on any factor like this. I did a job. What if people used their computers to look at pornography , was I assisting them? I had a coworker who was gay, I never refused to work with him or eat lunch with him because of his lifestyle. I had a co-worker who was straight and slept with his girlfriend, I didn't refuse to work with him or eat with him either. I tried to show them how a Christian lives though, they knew what I believed.
Jesus spent all his time amongst ''tax collectors and sinners''. He was a carpenter by trade, do we think he ever sold a chair to a sinner? How about all of Luke 15? Clearly he loves sinners enough to die for them. All of heaven rejoices when even one repents it says. So why the total refusal of one group of people?
I'm sure some users will read the post and say 'woe unto you vacillators, you John Kerry FlipFlops" So which sinners should we serve and which should we cast unto damnation?
1 Corinthians 5:12 NIV New International Version
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
I would say some think it similar to Daniel 3 in that they are refusing to do something against their belief.
"But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.”
At the same time then as someone else stated who else would they not make cakes for? Would they refuse a birthday cake for a known alcoholic? How about a wedding cake for someone who very obviously was pregnant [fornication] before marriage? But then again a friend of mine recently told me some people at a restaurant he was at were behaving badly and the manager told them to leave. Is it illegal to not serve rude people? I think this is really the heart of the issue when it comes to a Christian insulating themselves against sin. Are they serving other sinners who quietly sin but not the outspoken ones?
I fixed computers for 15 or so years, I never refused anyone service based on any factor like this. I did a job. What if people used their computers to look at pornography , was I assisting them? I had a coworker who was gay, I never refused to work with him or eat lunch with him because of his lifestyle. I had a co-worker who was straight and slept with his girlfriend, I didn't refuse to work with him or eat with him either. I tried to show them how a Christian lives though, they knew what I believed.
Jesus spent all his time amongst ''tax collectors and sinners''. He was a carpenter by trade, do we think he ever sold a chair to a sinner? How about all of Luke 15? Clearly he loves sinners enough to die for them. All of heaven rejoices when even one repents it says. So why the total refusal of one group of people?
I'm sure some users will read the post and say 'woe unto you vacillators, you John Kerry FlipFlops" So which sinners should we serve and which should we cast unto damnation?
1 Corinthians 5:12 NIV New International Version
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?