well i'm going to tell you what has happen to me, since my salvation i can't help myself.. like literally can't help myself i'm addicted to God and i can't help but talk to people and tell them the purpose of life and i notice my tongue completely changed i can't help like talk like this, i was a funny comedy person but i can't help myself from talking like this, i was feeling scared at first cause i thought this would've just went away after some time but it has been about 7-9 months now since i've receive my salvation still the same i'm also addicted to change i can't get enough of Jesus, the former things i use to do in my past life disgust me, i'm not afraid of death anymore i actually welcome it whenever my time is, and i actually can see what the bible is saying and i have knowledge on it that's why i can stand on the truth
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so long story short.. God will be living our life for us after salvation he is always gonna be in our heart so we would never want to do anything to hurt so we will question everysingle thing we do, he is the person that gave me eternal life, so i will never cease to praise him, this song tells the exact story of my life before i had christ [video=youtube;AkGen_vAuKw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkGen_vAuKw&noredirect=1[/video]
You say you follow the Messiah, and honestly I believe you, I can tell you are zealous.
Tell me what do you think He meant when He said this?
Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Focus on red, I posted other verse for context of what/how many of those ("scary") Laws the Messiah was talking about.
All of this is correct but something is being left out, "Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"
We have been give a manual on how to love 613 are contained in 10, 10 are contained in 2, 2 is contained in 1.
An explanation and guide so we can meditate on His instruction so out impure mids dont twist or pervert "love" into what ever one thinks love is in their mind. You can not tell me that all these would not be a blessing to mankindm and that this is not the EXACT behavior Yahweh and Yahshua want from us. A guide to love:
Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not8prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
Who you think I am or who you want me to be in your head does not match what I have been saying.
Quote: HIZIKYAH
Romans 7:12,14 "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous. For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."
Brother bryan, the Law of Yahweh is the oppisite of the law of sin.
The law of sin is the way of satan/the world, everything against the Law of Yahweh.
Quote: HIZIKYAH
Romans 7:12,14 "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous. For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."
Brother bryan, the Law of Yahweh is the oppisite of the law of sin.
The law of sin is the way of satan/the world, everything against the Law of Yahweh.
If you knew anything about Romans, you would realize it is Paul's systematic theology on the grace and mercy of God. It is about how we ONCE were under the law, but are no longer. He goes into the Jews in chapters 9-11 and how they obey the law but they are NOT saved.
Paul starts with sin, the depravity of humans, then moves into the glorious grace of God in chapter 8. You simply cannot pull verses out of chapters 1-7 and say that is what God is saying. Those verses in isolation are taking about the law, but as an actual letter, Paul is spelling out the truth of salvation by grace. He goes from what we were, depraved sinners, to what we are, saved by grace, to what we are becoming - transformed!
"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be[SUP][i][/SUP] against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us" Romans 8:31-34
Then Paul moves onto God's plan, which does not include works or keeping commandments, but rather the Holy Spirit working in and through us to transform us!
"Do not be conformed to this world,but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2.
Paul talks about the gifts of grace and how we are all to work together in love for the Kingdom of God.
Josh already posted this verse, but it is worth posting again, but this time in plain English!
[SUP]"[/SUP]Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:8-10
The Message, which is the most modern English translation makes it even more readable and really sums up the essence of how we are to be as Christians.
"Don’t run up debts, except for the huge debt of love you owe each other. When you love others, you complete what the law has been after all along. The law code—don’t sleep with another person’s spouse, don’t take someone’s life, don’t take what isn’t yours, don’t always be wanting what you don’t have, and any other “don’t” you can think of—finally adds up to this: Love other people as well as you do yourself. You can’t go wrong when you love others. When you add up everything in the law code, the sum total is love." Romans 13:8-10
I pray for all those who think that keeping the laws (plural - Levitical, of Moses, etc) is the way of Christ.
The way of Chris is the sum total is LOVE. Paul says it, John says it, and Jesus Christ says it. Praying for those who cannot see to see the light of Christ and his love.
Paul starts with sin, the depravity of humans, then moves into the glorious grace of God in chapter 8. You simply cannot pull verses out of chapters 1-7 and say that is what God is saying. Those verses in isolation are taking about the law, but as an actual letter, Paul is spelling out the truth of salvation by grace. He goes from what we were, depraved sinners, to what we are, saved by grace, to what we are becoming - transformed!
"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be[SUP][i][/SUP] against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us" Romans 8:31-34
Then Paul moves onto God's plan, which does not include works or keeping commandments, but rather the Holy Spirit working in and through us to transform us!
"Do not be conformed to this world,but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2.
Paul talks about the gifts of grace and how we are all to work together in love for the Kingdom of God.
Josh already posted this verse, but it is worth posting again, but this time in plain English!
[SUP]"[/SUP]Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:8-10
The Message, which is the most modern English translation makes it even more readable and really sums up the essence of how we are to be as Christians.
"Don’t run up debts, except for the huge debt of love you owe each other. When you love others, you complete what the law has been after all along. The law code—don’t sleep with another person’s spouse, don’t take someone’s life, don’t take what isn’t yours, don’t always be wanting what you don’t have, and any other “don’t” you can think of—finally adds up to this: Love other people as well as you do yourself. You can’t go wrong when you love others. When you add up everything in the law code, the sum total is love." Romans 13:8-10
I pray for all those who think that keeping the laws (plural - Levitical, of Moses, etc) is the way of Christ.
The way of Chris is the sum total is LOVE. Paul says it, John says it, and Jesus Christ says it. Praying for those who cannot see to see the light of Christ and his love.
OK. I must admit confusion, though, when you say that works cannot save a person, but a saved person can lose their salvation if they don't obey GOD's laws. You have said things before that make me think when you say law, you mean the 10 commandments. Perhaps you could be more specific as to what laws you are referring.
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Anyone who says we must obey the Sabbath to be saved, is advocating a works based salvation. We are saved by grace alone. We can not be good enough to ever earn our way into Heaven. If you claim we must be circumcised or not eat pork or keep the Sabbath, then you are blending the old covenant with the new. Gal. 5 says that those who keep part of the law MUST keep all of it and Christ died in vain.
Im going to quote 1 vesrse and then try to explain my position, as if I just post a bunch of verses we , may have a diferent view on them, this verses kind of sums up what ive been saying:
1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
We are strengthened and guided by Yahweh's Spirit, however we will always have free will. So once we have accepted the blood of the Messiah, we are no longer to live a sinful life. Now the Scriptures give a very clear definition of sin, but I will sum it up like this, we have been reconciled to Yahweh, if we are obedient we are promised that we may enter His kingdom. however, if we are disobedient, we could say to any Instruction/Law/Commandment/Etc dealing with loving Yahweh or loving our neighbor we are also promised we will recieve the lake of fire. Laws like dont steal from your neighbor, feed the poor, dont kill, have no gods at all only worship Yahweh, etc. If these are disobeyed one wont see his kingdom, atleast from the inside. This is why Yaaqob says faith without works is dead, if I just claim to follow Yahweh, but do not love my neighbor im a liar, period. I have posted many verses on this subject, and I thik I have explained my stance here. So praise be to Yahweh, adn I hope you all can see that being obedient is not evil, it is what Yahweh wants from us.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
We are strengthened and guided by Yahweh's Spirit, however we will always have free will. So once we have accepted the blood of the Messiah, we are no longer to live a sinful life. Now the Scriptures give a very clear definition of sin, but I will sum it up like this, we have been reconciled to Yahweh, if we are obedient we are promised that we may enter His kingdom. however, if we are disobedient, we could say to any Instruction/Law/Commandment/Etc dealing with loving Yahweh or loving our neighbor we are also promised we will recieve the lake of fire. Laws like dont steal from your neighbor, feed the poor, dont kill, have no gods at all only worship Yahweh, etc. If these are disobeyed one wont see his kingdom, atleast from the inside. This is why Yaaqob says faith without works is dead, if I just claim to follow Yahweh, but do not love my neighbor im a liar, period. I have posted many verses on this subject, and I thik I have explained my stance here. So praise be to Yahweh, adn I hope you all can see that being obedient is not evil, it is what Yahweh wants from us.
Not that you're directing this at me, but moreso to just go on record....
My obedience or disobedience to the Law/Torah has nothing to do with my Salvation.
My obedience to the Law/Torah is how I honor God with my life in response to the Salvation He graciously gave me.
That is all. We now return to your regularly scheduled program.
Matt
My obedience or disobedience to the Law/Torah has nothing to do with my Salvation.
My obedience to the Law/Torah is how I honor God with my life in response to the Salvation He graciously gave me.
That is all. We now return to your regularly scheduled program.
Matt
I dont want to get into every subject here as I have done this over and over to no avail. I dont disagree with all you say but I want to point a few thigs out:
Certianly none can enter the kingdom on works, we all need mercy, which comes in the form of the blood of the Messiah.
But you said: " He goes into the Jews in chapters 9-11 and how they obey the law but they are NOT saved. "
Actually this is not true, the Jews or pharisees made and folloed and enforced their own law, called the oral law/Talmud, here is a little info:
Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 59b
We learnt elsewhere: If he cut it into separate tiles, placing sand between each tile: R. Eliezer declared it clean, and the Sages declared it unclean; and this was the oven of ‘Aknai.1 Why [the oven of] ‘Aknai? — Said Rab Judah in Samuel's name: [It means] that they encompassed it with arguments2 as a snake, and proved it unclean. It has been taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument ,3 but they did not accept them. Said he to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!’ Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. ‘No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,’ they retorted. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!’ Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — ‘No proof can be brought from a stream of water,’ they rejoined. Again he urged: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,’ whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: ‘When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?’ Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!’ Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: ‘Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!’ But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.5R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.’ It was said: On that day all objects which R. Eliezer had declared clean were brought and burnt in fire.7 Then they took a vote and excommunicated him.
Every translation reads as such, as all Greek texts read this way:
New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
However Yahweh has left us truth!
Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.
THIS IS THE BURDEN!
The "rabbis" interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:
They take Exodus 23:2, "Do not follow the crowd in doing evil. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd."
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "follow the crowd."
Thus even when one disagrees or knows something is wrong he must, "follow the crowd," or as the Talmud puts it in Baba Metzia 59b (top of post), "after the majority must one incline."
Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)
Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them:
And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
Mattithyah 15:8-9, "These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
This is still prevalent in modern religion.
So when Shaul says in Romans 10:3, "Since they, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from Yahweh,
and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to Yahweh's righteousness."
It is talking about them not submitting to Yahweh's instruction, but instead establishing their own instructions, the Talmud. This verse is constantly used to make a false witness against Yahweh's righteousness alot.
If one loves they have fulfilled the Law, but that love has to be according to what Yahweh says love is not our impure minds say love is. If you look at post 243 I have some passages from Leviticus, read that please and tell me if you think one did half of that if they would be a loving person or not.
Also there is nothing wrong with preaching Yahweh's Law: (as long as it's not for Salvation only)
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Why would he say do and preach something that is "bad."
This is the Messiah's words here.
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Certianly none can enter the kingdom on works, we all need mercy, which comes in the form of the blood of the Messiah.
But you said: " He goes into the Jews in chapters 9-11 and how they obey the law but they are NOT saved. "
Actually this is not true, the Jews or pharisees made and folloed and enforced their own law, called the oral law/Talmud, here is a little info:
Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 59b
We learnt elsewhere: If he cut it into separate tiles, placing sand between each tile: R. Eliezer declared it clean, and the Sages declared it unclean; and this was the oven of ‘Aknai.1 Why [the oven of] ‘Aknai? — Said Rab Judah in Samuel's name: [It means] that they encompassed it with arguments2 as a snake, and proved it unclean. It has been taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument ,3 but they did not accept them. Said he to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!’ Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. ‘No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,’ they retorted. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!’ Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — ‘No proof can be brought from a stream of water,’ they rejoined. Again he urged: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,’ whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: ‘When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?’ Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!’ Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: ‘Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!’ But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.5R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.’ It was said: On that day all objects which R. Eliezer had declared clean were brought and burnt in fire.7 Then they took a vote and excommunicated him.
Every translation reads as such, as all Greek texts read this way:
New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
However Yahweh has left us truth!
Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.
THIS IS THE BURDEN!
The "rabbis" interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:
They take Exodus 23:2, "Do not follow the crowd in doing evil. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd."
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "follow the crowd."
Thus even when one disagrees or knows something is wrong he must, "follow the crowd," or as the Talmud puts it in Baba Metzia 59b (top of post), "after the majority must one incline."
Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)
Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them:
And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
Mattithyah 15:8-9, "These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
This is still prevalent in modern religion.
So when Shaul says in Romans 10:3, "Since they, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from Yahweh,
and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to Yahweh's righteousness."
It is talking about them not submitting to Yahweh's instruction, but instead establishing their own instructions, the Talmud. This verse is constantly used to make a false witness against Yahweh's righteousness alot.
If one loves they have fulfilled the Law, but that love has to be according to what Yahweh says love is not our impure minds say love is. If you look at post 243 I have some passages from Leviticus, read that please and tell me if you think one did half of that if they would be a loving person or not.
Also there is nothing wrong with preaching Yahweh's Law: (as long as it's not for Salvation only)
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Why would he say do and preach something that is "bad."
This is the Messiah's words here.
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
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This verse should scare you into repentance. You can not serve the old covenant and the new. It is one or the other. If you are obeying even the smallest portion of the old covenant, you have lost your salvation.
Now tell me again about how obedience to the laws of Moses is honoring God as you have been severed from Christ.
Now tell me again about how obedience to the laws of Moses is honoring God as you have been severed from Christ.
Ok, so first the 2 greatest Commandments:
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall
love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
So all I can say concering Yahweh's mind is what is in the Scriptures, Yahshua, who spoke just as Yahweh, said: "On these two commandments hang all the Law" so all the Law is not the parts I like and the parts I dont I ignore.
So the real thing everyone hates is dedicating a day to completely loving Yahweh, right? Well the GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS "You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might", so while I cant determine who will and wont enter the kingdom I can say if one "You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might" they would have NO PROBLEM with doing what He says. If you do have a problem with that, you MAY want to evaluate your love for Yahweh, now if you want to say that you can choose what ever way you want, I will remind you that is exactly what the Pharisees did, and no the Pharisees DID NOT keep Yahweh instruction, Yahweha calls them on it over and over so thats not even debateable.
Again it's not my authority to sit in the judgement seat, but according to Yahweh this is the mark that shows you belong to Him, (don't hate me, if you have a problem with this you need to take it up with Yahweh, these are His words)
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
And if you are of the Messiah you are Israyl:
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Let the hate for Yahweh's instruction proceed from the mouths of the wicked, but let the servant of Yahweh take notice and desire to follow the example Yahshua has set for us IN ALL THINGS.
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall
love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
So all I can say concering Yahweh's mind is what is in the Scriptures, Yahshua, who spoke just as Yahweh, said: "On these two commandments hang all the Law" so all the Law is not the parts I like and the parts I dont I ignore.
So the real thing everyone hates is dedicating a day to completely loving Yahweh, right? Well the GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS "You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might", so while I cant determine who will and wont enter the kingdom I can say if one "You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might" they would have NO PROBLEM with doing what He says. If you do have a problem with that, you MAY want to evaluate your love for Yahweh, now if you want to say that you can choose what ever way you want, I will remind you that is exactly what the Pharisees did, and no the Pharisees DID NOT keep Yahweh instruction, Yahweha calls them on it over and over so thats not even debateable.
Again it's not my authority to sit in the judgement seat, but according to Yahweh this is the mark that shows you belong to Him, (don't hate me, if you have a problem with this you need to take it up with Yahweh, these are His words)
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
And if you are of the Messiah you are Israyl:
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Let the hate for Yahweh's instruction proceed from the mouths of the wicked, but let the servant of Yahweh take notice and desire to follow the example Yahshua has set for us IN ALL THINGS.
What was their motivation for being circumcised in Galatians 5? What were they trying to accomplish?
Justification, or their standing before God.
Now, if that was their motivation, you're right, Jesus died in vain, because they weren't trusting in His sacrifice for Salvation.
Therefore, they would need to keep the Law perfectly in order to be justified.
And you're right, no one can keep the Law perfectly, especially me, nor would I ever say I could. It's a losing battle.
That's why my only hope of salvation is the sacrifice already made for me through Jesus' death.
Justification, or their standing before God.
Now, if that was their motivation, you're right, Jesus died in vain, because they weren't trusting in His sacrifice for Salvation.
Therefore, they would need to keep the Law perfectly in order to be justified.
And you're right, no one can keep the Law perfectly, especially me, nor would I ever say I could. It's a losing battle.
That's why my only hope of salvation is the sacrifice already made for me through Jesus' death.
The Messiah said this :
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie."
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie."