Was Paul a false apostle according to you ?

[crossnote]

''I am curious. In what way do you suppose God has "made foolish the wisdom of the world?" I can't see it.''

To the 'wise' of this world the message of a crucified Savior to save us from sin is utterly absurd ...it goes contrary to natural reasoning,
yet it will prove in the end to be True and Just through the resurrected Judge...the Lamb of God.

 

[Trax]

How many of you think that Paul's teachaings are in opposite to what Christ said ?

When Jesus walked the earth, He had 11 apostles and 1 Judas. Today, it seems, there are 11 Judas
per 1 apostle.

 

[JaumeJ]

Adding to the list of ideas some put forth. It is wrong to consult the teachings of Yeshua in order to understand Paul better. Peter is a false prophet. Paul is a false prophet. We certainly get them in here don't we!? I had to come back for this one. I have seen twice in the thread "I cannot believe there is such a response to this OP." If those who feel this way would read the responses they would understand that several, many of our brethren have suffered greatly at the mention of this theme. This uncalled for response is working to alleviate a lot of suffering, so I hope there is a great response to this thread for the sake of the family in all love, amen.

 

[loveme1]

I am all for creative discussions of the bible. However, to claim Paul is a false apostle (whatever that means) you are claiming the other apostles are false as they all seem to approve of him. It also means the story in acts is false, so the entire book must be false. All of Paul's writings must be false. So you leave all of Christianity in a smoldering ruin if Paul is false.

I assume you have a problem with one of his teachings so rather than deal with his teaching you disparage him altogether. Honestly, this concept of Paul being a false apostle(whatever that means), is nuttier than squirrel barf, IMHO. I hope you will reconsider your stance on Paul.

Please show me where i have stated Paul is a false Apostle and dismiss him altogether?

I think it is you that should reconsider your stance on loveme1 according to the Truth.

shame on all that have participated in your false assumption.

It is behaviour like this that ruins this forum.

By all means share your beliefs and thoughts but base them on the Truth.

Peter was inspired to write what he wrote by the same token that Paul wrote what he wrote.

If you can not accept that Peter was to name Paul's writings for a reason in such a way then that is you own personal issue.

It is the Messiah that died for your Salvation just as the Messiah died for Paul's Salvation!!!!

To GOD be the GLORY!!!!

 

[nathan3]

The reason people try to tare out Parts of the Bible is, because of their, tradition or belief system they have, In most cases it does Not aline with Christ teachings. and there for they have to throw out Christ words. All prophets and apostles God sent, teach God's words. So if some one pouts and shouts they don't want to hear Paul's teachings, by default your saying you know better then God does, because God chose Paul, Christ taught Paul , and the apostles of Christ accepted Paul.

Some rather listen to their church teachings, that are not biblical I can say with confidence. they are not, if you need to tare apart God's Bible.


I'm curious to know, what people who do not like Paul, think of His 1st letter to the Thessalonians 4: 13- end.. Or the second letter. Do they ignore all these letters from Paul >

Romans
First Corinthians
Second Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
First Thessalonians
Second Thessalonians
First Timothy
Second Timothy
Titus
Philemon

And many scholars even pin Paul as the writer of Hebrews .

That is a lot of Bible to leave out there. A lot of great insight into God's words. Christ as savior of the World, Christ in the exact image of God, the return of Christ, the appearance of Antichrist and who he is even. etc etc etc.

That is danger to ignore all these writings, seeing Christ taught all these things also.





God is the Author. But God chose Paul as written .

 

[truth1]

Do you happen to know when the letters of Paul were added to the biblical canon ? Do you know who decides whether some letters or books are inspired by Holy Spirit and other aren't ? Do you know any of these things ? I think...not.

Are you a Catholic nathan3 ? That would help a lot.

 

[truth1]

I will help you all.

This is a post from 'Are Catholics Christian ?' thread. It's by user named oldhermit.

Re: Are catholics Christian?
I do not equate Catholicism with Christianity. I regard it a pagan.
Like
jimmydiggs, Praus and Equuas like this.

Well..Now again. What's the answer to my previous questions ?

 

[p_rehbein]

The reason people try to tare out Parts of the Bible is, because of their, tradition or belief system they have, In most cases it does Not aline with Christ teachings. and there for they have to throw out Christ words. All prophets and apostles God sent, teach God's words. So if some one pouts and shouts they don't want to hear Paul's teachings, by default your saying you know better then God does, because God chose Paul, Christ taught Paul , and the apostles of Christ accepted Paul.

Some rather listen to their church teachings, that are not biblical I can say with confidence. they are not, if you need to tare apart God's Bible.


I'm curious to know, what people who do not like Paul, think of His 1st letter to the Thessalonians 4: 13- end.. Or the second letter. Do they ignore all these letters from Paul >

Romans
First Corinthians
Second Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
First Thessalonians
Second Thessalonians
First Timothy
Second Timothy
Titus
Philemon

And many scholars even pin Paul as the writer of Hebrews .

That is a lot of Bible to leave out there. A lot of great insight into God's words. Christ as savior of the World, Christ in the exact image of God, the return of Christ, the appearance of Antichrist and who he is even. etc etc etc.

That is danger to ignore all these writings, seeing Christ taught all these things also.





God is the Author. But God chose Paul as written .

Quite true Brother...........God bless.......

 

[truth1]

p_rehbein -> yeah yeah..pretending not to see post 126 and 127 ? Just asking.

 

[MidniteWelder]

I was raised to believe the Bible was the Word of God, and for a time this was was how I understood the world. I could have been described as a creationist. Today I am an atheist, but before I turned away I pleaded to God to reach out and touch me. He never did, at least not in a way I recognized. So if he rejected me when I was receptive, why would he reach out once I had lost all desire to believe?


I am curious. In what way do you suppose God has "made foolish the wisdom of the world?" I can't see it.

because you tested God

God owes us nothing,
He already paid the price for us,
we owe him.
Your motives need to change because they were improper in what you asked of him. (self-seeking)
Understandable though as most all of our motives are self-seeking until we come to know the full grace of the Lord.
Had he complied with your demand how much more would you be deceived into thinking God is at your command?
Come back to him with a humble heart in repentance ready to serve him instead of demanding of him and I'm sure he will reveal himself to you in more ways than you could ask for.

It doesnt work as you think
It works how God thinks
Try and Understand that.
Try to understand him.

 

[nathan3]

Do you happen to know when the letters of Paul were added to the biblical canon ? Do you know who decides whether some letters or books are inspired by Holy Spirit and other aren't ? Do you know any of these things ? I think...not.

Are you a Catholic nathan3 ? That would help a lot.

I'm a Christian . that aside all these letters are in all the manuscripts. non should be left out if its repeated throughout all the manuscripts Not to mention, if it alines with Christ teachings, it does and does not deviate. If it did, it would have been left out. By people smart enough who dedicate their lives ( Christians ) to this study .

As you become for familiar, and tell the people you listen to, to allow you, to study your Heavenly Fathers words, then you might have chance here.


I would give some time to study, your just starting out learning about these things. it's like your shooting yourself in the foot before you get started in the race.


There are a lot of people out there, even Higher critics, which who Satan Revelation, or Daniel, should be left out. They get paid to tare down God's words.

So you have to be careful who you listen to. So who do you listen to ? That is a question you have to ask yourself and think about. I dont need to know.

 

[truth1]

I'm a Christian . that aside all these letters are in all the manuscripts. non should be left out if its repeated throughout all the manuscripts Not to mention, if it alines with Christ teachings, it does.


I would give some time to study, your just starting out learning about these things. it's like your shooting yourself in the foot before you get started in the race.

Well you are obviously talking about nothing, just to talk. I'm afraid you don't know the answers. OK.

 

[nathan3]

Well you are obviously talking about nothing, just to talk. I'm afraid you don't know the answers. OK.

It seems like your ignoring what im saying. so there is a communication brake down .


i said, that Pauls writings are in the Manuscripts, why talk about the Cannon, when the Cannon was taken from the Manuscripts.

 

[p_rehbein]

p_rehbein -> yeah yeah..pretending not to see post 126 and 127 ? Just asking.

No pretending needed, I saw them, read them, and found no reason to respond to them, for they lacked any measurable amount of Christian love and fellowship within them...........Just more condemnation heaped upon those who disagree with someone.

I stand by my earlier statement, that being: Anyone who believes that the Apostle Paul was a false prophet is just weird.

God is not the Author of confusion, man is........in that those who strive to cause confusion among believers are doing the work of the devil in my opinion, and not working for the Kingdom.

To say that Paul was a false apostle, when so much of the New Testament is his teachings/witnessing/church planting labor........is to say that God is a false God...........for surely, if God is the One True God, He would have certainly had the POWER to see that the writings of a false apostle DID NOT find themselves into His Holy Word...........His Book of Truth......His Holy Bible........

People who deny Paul, deny God...............now, that is how I see it, you can see it any way you wish, and you can thank God for having the right to see it as you wish..........it's called free will.

 

[Kreation]

Well you are obviously talking about nothing, just to talk. I'm afraid you don't know the answers. OK.

Hi!

*butts into conversation late*

Could you tell me how you've come to believe that Paul was a false teacher? I've heard people say it before but it hasn't been explained to me properly.

I have my bible out ready

Thankyou

 

[truth1]

Hi!

*butts into conversation late*

Could you tell me how you've come to believe that Paul was a false teacher? I've heard people say it before but it hasn't been explained to me properly.

I have my bible out ready

Thankyou

All you have to do is compare his teachings with Christ's.

 

[Kreation]

All you have to do is compare his teachings with Christ's.

Could you give me some examples? I am interested in hearing your point of view. I'm willing to listen

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you happen to know when the letters of Paul were added to the biblical canon ? Do you know who decides whether some letters or books are inspired by Holy Spirit and other aren't ? Do you know any of these things ? I think...not.

Are you a Catholic nathan3 ? That would help a lot.

yeah we do.

2 Peter 3:15-16: [SUP]15 [/SUP]and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you 16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

If Peter considered his epistles scripture before scripture was even completed. Then why don't you? Again, to say Paul is a false apostle and his words not from God is to call Peter a liar.

 

[nathan3]

yeah we do.

2 Peter 3:15-16: [SUP]15 [/SUP]and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you 16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

If Peter considered his epistles scripture before scripture was even completed. Then why don't you? Again, to say Paul is a false apostle and his words not from God is to call Peter a liar.

He thinks, Peter should not be in the Bible either See how ridiculous this sounds ... Grief

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All you have to do is compare his teachings with Christ's.

yep,

and his life with Christs.

with the excption of being sinnless (only Christ did this) they go hand in hand.

1. went to sinners, not the righteous
2. Taught the law would never save anyone
3. Taught the OT spoke of him
4. Taught from the OT scriptures, and very knowledgable of them
5. taught salvation by faith in the son whome God sent to the world. that whoever believes in him, shall never perish (eternal security) but have eternal life (never die)