What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

I belive it is to respect , the Overseers & Deacons when they are preaching the word of God to the congregation.

God bless

Yes after Faith in God in Christ has come one receives the Love of God and has compassion of others as you said about all things in order, So not only Women should be quiet also man and all out in the pews, and listen quietly. Study at home, if need be go to the clergy, preacher and are fellow neighbor in quiet and talk compassionately, if not they not listen take others. You are only trying to win your brother and or Sister in Christ through the Law of Faith in Christ Jesus

Law of Faith in Christ unto Father

Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Romans 3:21 [ Righteousness Through Faith ] But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
Romans 3:27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith.
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Romans 4:13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

Galatians 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

 

[just-me]

Studying the law and the prophets is great; very edifying. But remember:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18​

Exodus 20:20 Moshe answered the people, "Don't be afraid, because God has come only to test you and make you fear him, so that you won't commit sins." (CJB)

 

[homwardbound]

Which laws would at the very least include the 10 Commandments, and the two Commandments Jesus stated yes?

Loving the Lord thy God, and thy neighbor.............at the very least these..........and there are more commandments.......

Baptism, Communion, Foot washing being three Jesus gave us.........and others.........

The Law of Love God's type, only received by Faith in the son, and we see the depth of God's love by Faith in Son who is the propitiation for all our sins, past, and all sins are past in the twinkling of an eye, and is why we have Christ who makes constant intercession for us, with Father being at his right hand for us to approach the throne of grace with confidence that we won't be annihilated in a split second because of what sin caused before Christ separated it. That would be death from sin to Father, so Father deals with us all, on the basis of a new nature, which teachers the listeners to say no to unrighteousness, Father's children through Faith (belief) in Son's finished work for them done at the cross

So when one sees:
1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us.

Then one might go further and see:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,

 

[homwardbound]

" Woman speaking in the Church" is not talking about A woman testifying, or teaching a Bible Class for Children, etc. Paul is referring to a woman having the role of Preacher, or a Pastor, this is not allowed.

Actually there was gossiping going in the pews and all around that was disrupting to the rest and was not in order. There is gossiping to this very day in Church while whoever is speaking from the pulpit. Others are talking to others while the speaker has the floor, but in disrespect, others whisper at others and is disruptive and not loving. That is what this was about, that was going on in the Corinthian place of gathering. Things there were badly in disorder at that time. They were still carnal and needed to be under law, they were not Spiritual, they were carnal.

 

[homwardbound]

It is not (should not be) necessary for my posting what I have many times before, so paraphrasing I will. When we pay attention to what the Spirit says to the churches, sorry, to what Jesus says to those who believe, we know by His actions and teachings that not all of the laws given by Moses and inspired by God, are to be followed.

If we read the Old Testament and pay attention also, we read how God gave the Children of Israel laws that were bad. Do you suppose this could be why Yeshua ignored some of the laws, especially the punitive laws, in favor of mercy?

He did a lot of things contrary to the bad laws demonstrating we only need to follow laws showing us how to "be good." Think about it. Study it. Why are so many teachers teaching here but not all of the Word?

The law of Love received by Faith in Christ's work, spiritually from God the Father of, and we walk as Christ walked in total dependence on Father, showing Father's type of love, being Baptized unto Father to do Father's will for each separately at first to remove the planks in our own eyes and be alive Spiritually serving Father the only way Father can be served today.
[h=3]John 4:23-24[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

 

[nl]

The last chapter of the Bible, Revelation 22, asserts that doing the commandments or laws of God is something that matters for those who are the Blessed.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[just-me]

All kidding aside, I have MAJOR problems with people taking the Word of God apart into sections, some being very important, and other parts of the Bible being less important, and some parts being seen as extremely corrupted. I am going to post something that I have on the thread that I started a couple of months ago, and then let it lie. One final thought though, Why on earth would Jesus degrade His own Father by leading people to believe that through Him, His Father’s Word was of no importance any longer, in certain areas? Doesn't this compute in your heads that God and Jesus both said, "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? What is it that we don't understand the word "EVERY?" I have had remarks thrown my way from both sides. I have had people that say the law is to be obeyed, rail at me because I incorporate Jesus with the law, and I have had people say I belong to a cult because I endorse the law as relevant for today. I am in the middle of two factions that I think are both wrong, and the ones advocating grace, are name calling saying “legalizers” and “judaizers.” You thing Satan is in the mix somewhere, and is there any hope of conquering the disputes over the law and grace? Satan used the words of God to tempt Jesus, and Jesus used His Father’s words to ward Him off. The truth came from Jesus, and the lies came from Satan, but they both used the Word of God. Go figure!
The following is a clear picture as to why Jesus Christ had a major problem with the Pharisees in respect to their religion that was skewed, not only in their distorted interpretation of the law, but also using the writings of truth for the purpose of self elevation. These two major distortions presented our living God, and Father of Christ Jesus, as non-definitive, without mercy, and unloving. Human nature is always vulnerable to the temptation of making God after the image that we prefer, rather than representing Him in Spirit and in truth. That’s why prayer and Bible study are so important for us to be sincere in all we do, and say, to properly represent our Lord and Savior.

Matthew 15:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Isaiah 29:13-16 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudentmen shall be hid.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

What the Pharisees had done was make a distorted law so that assets rightfully due to the parents would be used elsewhere, thereby freeing the children of any obligation of honor and respect to their parents. This distorted law also negated the promise of God toward the children.

Exodus 20:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deuteronomy 5:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Curseth in Hebrew=to make light of the parents position in the family, and purposefully not abiding by the concerns and rules of the household.

Exodus 21:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

show where Jesus said we keep the Law but do not have to use them...He said they will not pass away!..what does that mean?...simple they are still to be obeyed...besides, you are saying God like a "compulsive hoarder"?..why would one keep something when it is of no use?

It's not a question of whether the law exists or not, but your relation to it. Laws don't have authority over dead people. If you are under the law, you are under a curse. It is a sign that you are being disobedient by not putting the old man to death and trusting in the new life.

 

[just-me]

As I was studying Mark chapter 7, I realized there was something bigger going through Jesus’ mind than what I ever realized before. So in the process of compiling the information that I have put together in a comprehensive way, I have decided to give the truth of the Mosaic Law first, before quoting Mark 7:1-8. I will post a number of scriptures concerning the law of washing, so we can see what the truth behind it. So to expose the traditions that the Scribes and Pharisees labeled as the law, we will be able to see that they were really endorsing something that (through the centuries) was from man and not God.

Exodus 30:17-21 (CJB)
17 ADONAI said to Moshe,
18 "You are to make a basin of bronze, with a base of bronze, for washing. Place it between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it.
19 Aharon and his sons will wash their hands and feet there
20 when they enter the tent of meeting - they are to wash with water, so that they won't die. Also when they approach the altar to minister by burning an offering for ADONAI,
21 they are to wash their hands and feet, so that they won't die. This is to be a perpetual law for them through all their generations.

Everything concerning the priesthood through Aaron, should be firmly equated with Christ (being the High Priest) through Judah. Jesus carried the filth of the world to the cross, and was not clean before His Father. Henceforth, Jesus died, and was forsaken as the sons of Aaron would have been if they had not washed according to the commandments given.

Exodus 30:22-30 (CJB)
22 ADONAI said to Moshe,
23 "Take the best spices - 500 shekels of myrrh [121/2 pounds], half this amount (250 shekels) of aromatic cinnamon [61/4 pounds], 250 shekels of aromatic cane,
24 500 shekels of cassia (use the sanctuary standard), and one gallon of olive oil –
25 and make them into a holy anointing oil; blend it and perfume it as would an expert perfume-maker; it will be a holy anointing oil.
26 Use it to anoint the tent of meeting, the ark for the testimony,
27 the table and all its utensils, the menorah and all its utensils, the incense altar,
28 the altar for burnt offerings and all its utensils, and the basin with its base.
29 You are to consecrate them - they will be especially holy, and whatever touches them will be holy.
30 Then you are to anoint Aharon and his sons - you are to consecrate them to serve me in the office of cohen.

The anointing oil that was made was not to be duplicated. It is a clear symbol of the Holy Spirit. Duplicating it would symbolize and represent another spirit other than God’s Spirit. The anointing oil was made of olive oil as carrier oil with myrrh, cinnamon, cassia and calamus oils added. These oils are purifying (myrrh), healing, cleansing, and promote positive thoughts, steady mental/emotional/spiritual state (calamus).

I believe this is a clear picture of repentance and being baptized, leading to the receiving of the Holy Spirit of God. Compare these scriptures.
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1 Peter 2:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exodus 40:9-10 (CJB)
9"Take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle and everything in it -consecrate it with all its furnishings; then it will be holy.
10 Anoint the altar for burnt offerings with all its utensils - consecrate the altar; then the altar will be especially holy.

All work that a Christian does, if it is done through faith, has to have the anointing of the Holy Spirit, otherwise it is of no effect.
James 2:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

 

[just-me]

The Pharisees totally missed the significance of the law for real. Now, there is certainly nothing wrong with washing the hands before we eat or washing the dishes. I find nowhere in the Mosaic Law that what the Pharisees presented to Jesus and His disciples was the entire law of cleansing. They missed the boat, and furthermore required others to miss it too. This is the problem that Jesus had with them. It wasn’t the Mosaic Law that Jesus was against, it was the distortion by the priesthood of that day that He had the problem with.

Mark 7:1-8 (CJB with translated words for better understanding)
1 The Pharisees and some of the Torah-teachers who had come from Yerushalayim (Jerusalem)gathered together with Yeshua (Jesus)
2 and saw that some of his disciples ate with ritually unclean hands, that is, without doing *n'tilat-yadayim.
3 (For the Pharisees, and indeed all the Judeans, holding fast to the Tradition of the Elders, do not eat unless they have given their hands a ceremonial washing.
4 Also, when they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they have rinsed their hands up to the wrist; and they adhere to many other traditions, such as washing cups, pots and bronze vessels.)
5 The Pharisees and the Torah-teachers asked him, "Why don't your disciples live in accordance with the Tradition of the Elders, but instead eat with ritually unclean hands?"
6Yeshua answered them, **"Yesha`yahu was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites -- as it is written, `These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far away from me.
7 Their worship of me is useless, because they teach man-made rules as if they were doctrines.'
8 "You depart from God's command and hold onto human tradition. Indeed,"
9 he said to them, "you have made a fine art of departing from God's command in order to keep your tradition!

*n'tilat-yadayim=ceremonial hand-washing prescribed by the Oral Torah to be done before meals and at other times in order to be ritually pure; it continues to be a norm in Orthodox Judaism.

**Yesha`yahu=The Tanakh prophet **Isaiah see Isaiah 40:3

 

[Graybeard]

It's not a question of whether the law exists or not, but your relation to it. Laws don't have authority over dead people. If you are under the law, you are under a curse. It is a sign that you are being disobedient by not putting the old man to death and trusting in the new life.

Look, the bottom line is, if one is living as Jesus told us to live, that is He said to do His Commandments, then one would automatically be doing what The Law instructs!...look at it like a check list if you want to. But then again...what commandments was Jesus talking about?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Look, the bottom line is, if one is living as Jesus told us to live, that is He said to do His Commandments, then one would automatically be doing what The Law instructs!...look at it like a check list if you want to. But then again...what commandments was Jesus talking about?

This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23

 

[Elin]

Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm,then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Operative phrase: trying to be justified. . .

 

[Elin]

All laws are valid, some just 'hinge' on other laws, the laws of Love are most important, Love
God, first, and, with your everything--mind, soul, spirit, body, and, the 2nd commandment (law) of Love "like the first," which, Jesus said those words, yes, and, the 2nd : Love others as you love yourself.

The ceremonial (ritual) and civil (governmental) laws do not apply to NT believers.

 

[Elin]

Believers should follow the law because that's who He was talking to in Matthew 5. Believers also need the Spirit equally. Most importantly, all people need only Jesus for salvation.

Which laws--moral, ceremonial, civil?

 

[KohenMatt]

Which laws--moral, ceremonial, civil?

I believe all of them, with the sacrifices being done spiritually in remembrance of what Jesus already sacrificed.

Which ones do you think He was talking about?

 

[Elin]

Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Brother LT search and ye shall find

God's Grace Brings Salvation

Titus 2:11

11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Yes, in Gal 5:1 Paul is talking about circumcision for justification, which the Judaizers required (Ac 15:1).

He is not forbidding circumcision altogether.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Yes, in Gal 5:1 Paul is talking about circumcision for justification, which the Judaizers required (Ac 15:1).

He is not forbidding circumcision altogether.

I thought he was forbidding it even as an action to please God? (i.e. knowing that it has no bearing on salvation).

Galations 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[Elin]

So if Jesus fulfilled the Law (which He did) thereby making it obsolete as some say...we have a problem a huge contradiction, in that Jesus Himself said...and yes we have seen this verse many times, but look at it again just a little closer:
and Jesus said....

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Okay, so He said He did NOT come to destroy the Law, in other words He did not come to make the Law obsolete, then He says something very profound which many folk overlook.....He states categorically that until Heaven and Earth pass away, nothing of the Law will pass away...have the Heavens and the Earth passed away??....of course not!!
So why would He say this?....because He made it clear that there should be no mistake about understanding what He meant, Gods Laws are here to stay...TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY!

People get mixed up between the Laws of God and the laws of the Pharisees....BIG difference!
We moan about 600 and something Laws of God yet our own man made laws tally to the thousands and we embrace them because it is "the law"....

But when you look at it more closely, it will not pass away as long as heaven and earth exist,
unless or until it is fulfilled.

The Mosaic law has been fulfilled.

And I don't think you are suggesting that we ignore Jesus' NT revelation (Heb 1:1-2),
given through the writers of the NT, that

the law has been changed (Heb 7:12),
and set aside for obtaining righteousness and salvation because it was weak and useless to do so
(Heb 7:18-19),
therefore, making the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant on which is was based obsolete (Heb 8:13),

right?

 

[Elin]

All kidding aside, I have MAJOR problems with people taking the Word of God apart into sections, some being very important, and other parts of the Bible being less important, and some parts being seen as extremely corrupted. I am going to post something that I have on the thread that I started a couple of months ago, and then let it lie. One final thought though, Why on earth would Jesus degrade His own Father by leading people to believe that through Him, His Father’s Word was of no importance any longer, in certain areas? Doesn't this compute in your heads that God and Jesus both said, "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? What is it that we don't understand the word "EVERY?"

Okay. . .this comes down to whether you believe all of the NT is God-breathed (2Ti 3:16), or not.

"EVERY" word of God also includes the NT.

And the word of God in the NT reveals that

the law has been changed because the priesthood in the order of Aaron has been changed to the
priesthood in the order of Meclshizedek, with Christ Jesus as its new and eternal High Priest (Heb 7:12, 17, 21),

and has been set aside for righteous and salvation because it was weak and useless to obtain them (Heb 7:18-19),

thereby making obsolete the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant which was based on it (Heb 8:13).

I can't tell if we are in agreement or not.