What Laws are still valid to christians
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you misrepresent my post friend, I was addressing the part i quoted because I addressed the other part in earlier post
Originally Posted by Elin
given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.
Originally Posted by Elin
given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.
this is the misunderstanding with most lawless ones, they cant seperate the ways of a man of Yahweh from pharisees.
Yahshua continually spoke against Pharisee/Judaisim, never did He once speak against Yahweh's Laws.
the preachers of Babylon jumble Yahweh;s Law with the teaching of the Pharisees and take advantege of the ignorance of the people.
they act like the problem was " the pharisees kept the Law but they did it without love."
this is not even close to true, only one who has no knowedge of what is in the Talmud judaisim) could ever think this.
Mattithyah 15:1-3, "Then scribes and Pharisees from Yerusalem came to Yahshua, and said; Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.
given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.
this is the misunderstanding with most lawless ones, they cant seperate the ways of a man of Yahweh from pharisees.
Yahshua continually spoke against Pharisee/Judaisim, never did He once speak against Yahweh's Laws.
the preachers of Babylon jumble Yahweh;s Law with the teaching of the Pharisees and take advantege of the ignorance of the people.
they act like the problem was " the pharisees kept the Law but they did it without love."
this is not even close to true, only one who has no knowedge of what is in the Talmud judaisim) could ever think this.
Mattithyah 15:1-3, "Then scribes and Pharisees from Yerusalem came to Yahshua, and said; Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
seems Scripture shows you to be a deciever, as only one in the Spirit can trutly subject themselves to yahweh's Law
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure,
bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
not keep it perfectly or for salvation, but to be subjuect to Yahweh's Instructions.
Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:
#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:
#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Amen, brother!
Messianic Judaism will never agree to NT Christianity as presented in the NT word of God.
Jesus is added to their religion, he does not transcend their religion as in NT Christianity.
Judaism governs their faith, not the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2),
given through the writers of the NT.
Messianic Judaism and NT Christianity cannot be reconciled, anymore than grace and law
can be reconciled for salvation.
Messianic Judaism will never agree to NT Christianity as presented in the NT word of God.
Jesus is added to their religion, he does not transcend their religion as in NT Christianity.
Judaism governs their faith, not the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2),
given through the writers of the NT.
Messianic Judaism and NT Christianity cannot be reconciled, anymore than grace and law
can be reconciled for salvation.
messanic judaisim (which is a false religion) or Scripture?
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
All truth here Elin, and I have confessed this, now show me where it says to do this over and over again after I have received this forgiveness provided by God through Christ? Once one has received then they see truth and truth is by his death coupled with my belief Through Christ's death, I am made Holy to God and is where God has given me new life:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Or are you denying scripture to the above truth, and asking for God to come back and crucify himself all over again and again as the levitical priesthood did
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.
Now do you think Christ is coming back to offer any more forgiveness or is it done?
If you or anyone ever finalizes the cross, and agrees with god in this, then they can enter into his courts
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Seeing it is all God and none of anyone else's work ever.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
So let us pass from death to life found in the cross of Christ where new life is contained in the resurrected Christ and not in nay man's work, yes maybe a little meat here to eat and grow in the miraculous grace of God?
Read his words again.
". . .will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Mt 5:18)
And the Law has been accomplished (fulfilled) by and in him.
Therefore, it has been drastically changed:
no more Levitical priesthood,
no more righteousness by law-keeping,
no more condemnation for imperfect law-keeping,
no more sacrifices,
no more ceremonial laws of food, defilement and cleansings,
no more Sinaitic (Old) Covenant because it was based on the law
which was based on the Levitical priesthood, which no longer exists.
That is NT Christianity.
". . .will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Mt 5:18)
And the Law has been accomplished (fulfilled) by and in him.
Therefore, it has been drastically changed:
no more Levitical priesthood,
no more righteousness by law-keeping,
no more condemnation for imperfect law-keeping,
no more sacrifices,
no more ceremonial laws of food, defilement and cleansings,
no more Sinaitic (Old) Covenant because it was based on the law
which was based on the Levitical priesthood, which no longer exists.
That is NT Christianity.
and the scripture says it all, from Paul himself
1 Corinthians 3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together
1 Corinthians 3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together
That simply says that the flesh is not able to be subject to the law of GOD, and cannot please GOD. That is why the law is useless as a means of righteousness. However, those who walk according to the spirit are not under the law.
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law [of Moses]. Galatians 5:18
SURE IS!
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
1785. entolén
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."
1785. entolén
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
"He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar"
"I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."
the Scriptures call those who dont keep the Laws that are from the beginning a LIAR.
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
1785. entolén
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
1 Yahchanan 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."
1785. entolén
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
"He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar"
"I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."
the Scriptures call those who dont keep the Laws that are from the beginning a LIAR.