The falling away

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eternally-gratefull

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Well, no it wasn't directed toward you. I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote it. And I also determined a long time ago, that I won't even read your posts, unless directed to me as this one was, because I have much better things to do with my time so don't flatter yourself. Maybe you should stop reading mine too, so you aren't tempted to rail foolish accusations in front of any young Christians, thereby teaching them the wrong attitude according to God's Word.
sorry maam, But you responded about my belief, thus you were responding to me and everyone who believes like me. If you do not like the fact that people want to confront you when you make false claims about what they believe (in this case stating everyone who believes like me just listens to men and not God) then don't make such posts.

Your the one who made a foolish accusation about me and my belief, yet again you are showing your hypocritical side. Its ok for you to do it, But how dare anyone respond to you in the same way.


again, if you don;t want people to respond to correct your thinking about us, And also to discuss other things you write, I recommend you stop posting.
 
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Thought I'd better post this again with all the bickering instigated by one person. I think it is important for others to know this, and I'll post it again if I think I have to.

I don't read anywhere in scripture, that when Christ comes in the clouds of heaven, that he whisks us off to heaven. * From the way it looks, the true church will meet Him in the clouds, and from that point on will be with Him forever, partaking in the Battle of Armageddon, and then He will rein for one thousand years on this earth. There is more scripture that clearly says that the beast will make war against the saints before Christ comes back for His own, which means that God’s people will still be here.

Revelation 13:4-7 (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Daniel 7:20-22 (KJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Note that “Ancient of days” is in capitalized letters indicating a being, (Christ, our Creator, according to Colossians) not a particular time in history. After putting these two scriptures together it seems quite clear that we will be here during the tribulation period, so I repeat; “From the way it looks, the true church will meet Him in the clouds, and from that point on will be with Him forever, partaking in the Battle of Armageddon, and then He will rein for one thousand years on this earth.”
I don’t want to get into a discussion about the thousand years, or anything else except this one truth about the “rapture theory” that would cause confusion, and get the “falling away” off track. The sole purpose for presenting this is for all of us to take scripture at face value so we are not deceived by false doctrines. The single point is that we will not be gone before the hammer comes down.
Yep lets all ignore the passages which would support this. And just listen to those who believe as you do (rolls eyes)

It is obvious you have no desire to discuss this openly and humbly.. You just want everyone to believe as you. and cause hate and contention against anyone who disagrees!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Might want to let him rant and rave, and ignore it all. Then we can get back on track and identify the deception of the falling away. Ya think? I'm even getting confused by the sparing, and knowing that God is not the author, to contribute to it probably isn't right. What do you think? Might put him on the ignore list. Haven't decided yet.
dude, Your doing alot of sparing yourself?

Are you afraid to actually discuss things??

Your doing the very thing you demand we stop doing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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WOW!!! The only timing ever given is AFTER the tribulation and you have the gall to say it is the least scriptural of all views. AMAZING!!! It is the ONLY VIEW THAT IS TAUGHT. Perhaps it is your failure to understand how it all ties together that is the problem. Did you ever consider that?

What does "alive and remain" mean to you? We survived a day at the park? Or does it mean those who survived the tribulation?

What does, By your patience possess your souls. Luke 21:19 mean to you? Does it mean we are to run out after the first Christ that appears or wait for the true messiah?

As for the 1 Thes 4 passage, show me where it says this happens BEFORE the tribulation? Show me where it says the Lord then does a U-Turn and takes us all to heaven. Can you show me that? No you can't.

Perhaps the Lord is taking us up in the clouds just to gather us and change us? Now wouldn't that be a novel idea since it's clear that those who survive the tribulation along with the martyred from the Tribulation rule with Christ for 1,000 years while the rest remain and sleep in heaven. Ever read Rev 20:4-5? It ties it all together nicely for you. There are two resurrections. Paul is describing the first resurrection.

Oh it is?

tell me, Who are the ressurected souls sitting in the throne room of God, praising the lamb who is worthy to open the seal?

How could they be their if they are still in the grave awaiting their ressurection?

I only ave a few reasons I disagree with you, I could give you MANY.. it would take a few posts..
 
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yep. Lets ignore everyone who does not agree with us. And do the very same thing you are judging others for.

Your true self just came through for the whole room to see!!


i could care less if you respond or listen to me, But I will respond to the falseties that are shown about others beliefs, and continue to question when others say things.

Your to stuck in your belief to listen. So I will respond for anyone else who reads. and not just let you continue with your propoganda.

You still say I say stuff I don;t believe..lol EVERYONE SEES IT. But those who agre with you and are stuck with you!
 
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I don't read anywhere in scripture, that when Christ comes in the clouds of heaven, that he whisks us off to heaven. * From the way it looks, the true church will meet Him in the clouds, and from that point on will be with Him forever, partaking in the Battle of Armageddon, and then He will rein for one thousand years on this earth. There is more scripture that clearly says that the beast will make war against the saints before Christ comes back for His own, which means that God’s people will still be here.
I get it here, that the ones that died in Christ will RISE FIRST, and together with the ones ALIVE IN CHRIST, will be taken up on clouds and meet Him in the heavens, and they will all return in their FULL GLORIOUS BODIES...

1 Thes ... For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 

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Yeah, I think. My mistake for getting suckered in, I know better. My apologies to all.
Me too. But it's so hard to sit here and read the rambling lies of Satan being put forth by those he has deceived. I don't judge any man's walk with the Lord but I can and should point out and attack the lies of Satan wherever I find them. Jesus was crystal clear as to the timing of His one and only return, that being AFTER the tribulation. Anything contrary to that is a lie and it is not hard to see who gains from such a lie when you know the Man of Sin comes first.

Time to kick the dust off my sandals at EG and his side kick Josh. Let's let them go John, it isn't worth it.
 
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EG the UNDER THE ALTAR.... throne room as you call it... is the resting place for those that DIED in CHRIST! Did Jesus not say.. Come to me and I will give you REST? That is where their souls REST. What makes you think it is UNDER GROUND? OR IN THE GRAVE...

Here is your PROOF... when Lazarus died the ANGELS CARRIED HIM OFF... And when the rich man died he could SEE Lazarus but he was in a BAD place not under the ALTAR...

There is still a bit understanding to be REVEALED to you my friend if you want to know how it works, let me give a try to share with you.
 
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sorry maam, But you responded about my belief, thus you were responding to me and everyone who believes like me. If you do not like the fact that people want to confront you when you make false claims about what they believe (in this case stating everyone who believes like me just listens to men and not God) then don't make such posts.

Your the one who made a foolish accusation about me and my belief, yet again you are showing your hypocritical side. Its ok for you to do it, But how dare anyone respond to you in the same way.


again, if you don;t want people to respond to correct your thinking about us, And also to discuss other things you write, I recommend you stop posting.
I may regret even replying to you once more but....Maybe when you quit posting, I will. Just because you happen to be one of thousands of people who have been deceived about a particular scripture, and a few others try to enlighten you, you don't have to take every comment as a personal affront and get nasty. If your comments made sense, and showed that you actually read what others posted, rather than ranting incoherently, maybe you could have a good conversation and all involved could learn.
Oh, by the way, I assure you I wasn't "aiming" my earlier comments toward you - never in my wildest dreams would I have mistaken you for a preacher, pastor, teacher, etc.
 
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Yeah, I think. My mistake for getting suckered in, I know better. My apologies to all.

No problem at all brother. I have done the same, and probably more often. It's irritating, to say the least! I guess I would have one thing to say to all, including myself. It takes knowledge to know that tomatoes are fruit; it takes wisdom to know they don’t go will in fruit salad.
 
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Eternally-gratefull
You don't need to respond, but I'm wondering how in the world you ever received a rep power of 24. You are one of the most, if not the most hateful Christian I have ever known. Do I hear an AMEN from the congregation?
You are a divisive, iniquitous soul, IMO. You falsely accuse others who see through and confront your confused ramblings, and then try to stir up everyone against them. That is iniquity that GOD hates.
 

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Might want to let him rant and rave, and ignore it all. Then we can get back on track and identify the deception of the falling away. Ya think? I'm even getting confused by the sparing, and knowing that God is not the author, to contribute to it probably isn't right. What do you think? Might put him on the ignore list. Haven't decided yet.
I think we who know the truth and have the knowledge of God sealed on our foreheads are supposed to wreak havoc with Satan's lies. Consider this, God always prefers to do battle with a select small group of firm "faithful solders", those who remain true to His word.

The masses are easily deceived. The popular view is most often the wrong view. Paul warns emphatically to NOT be deceived concerning the day the Lord returns. There is a reason Paul warns us, and Christ warns us, because harm will come to those who do not heed the warning.

Satan has a lot invested in his Pre-Trib Rapture lie, actually any lie other than the truth. Satan is going to do whatever he can to feed the lie and deceive as many as possible. There are those who are just plain ignorant and have just blindly gone along with the lie because it was what their pastor taught. But there are those who actively work for Satan, who know the truth but are committed to the lie. We can never know who is who, but we can and should always stand up for truth and call out the lies.
 
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Me too. But it's so hard to sit here and read the rambling lies of Satan being put forth by those he has deceived. I don't judge any man's walk with the Lord but I can and should point out and attack the lies of Satan wherever I find them. Jesus was crystal clear as to the timing of His one and only return, that being AFTER the tribulation. Anything contrary to that is a lie and it is not hard to see who gains from such a lie when you know the Man of Sin comes first.

Time to kick the dust off my sandals at EG and his side kick Josh. Let's let them go John, it isn't worth it.
Don't forget HRFTD.:D post # 153

God will take care of those who are truly seeking His will. The Holy Spirit will tell them, and lead them in the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that these people sure didn't avoid us, even though they are labeling us in the category mentioned.. Who is who? Good choice my friend. kick it.
 
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Some doctrines separate God and Jesus, claiming both as having a human body or something in the likeness of that body, taking into consideration the Words of creation, “let us make man in our image.”(Genesis 1:26) When confronted by a person, (who was confused) that used to believe this doctrine, he asked me, “Why did God commit incest when it is strictly prohibited in His Law?” I asked the man what he was talking about, and he answered with the following. The Bible says that God impregnated Mary, and Mary was one of His children.” I answered, “God is Spirit, referring to John 4:24 where it says; “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

As the conversation continued, with Jesus being the “first born” we finally started talking about the place that Jesus had in the plan from the beginning, (John 1:1-14) and then He asked another question; “are you saying that Jesus is God then?” I answered, “The Spirit of Jesus’ Father was inside of Him.” (Keeping in mind 1 Corinthians 15:28 knowing that if I mentioned that it would just add to his confusion, so I side stepped this one. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.)

And then he asked, “When Jesus prayed, was He praying to Himself?” I said “no.” and the conversation stopped when I added; “We don’t pray to ourselves when we posses the Spirit of God such as Christ did.” I failed to answer his questions so he could understand. We still pray for him, but I think because of the deception he grew up with, this doctrine has become a great barrier.

Hopefully, the following will answer some question about the truth of God, and understand, by faith, how magnificent our Father is. Remember, human logic without the Spirit, is to be carnally minded.

Mark 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1[/SUP] The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
[SUP]2[/SUP] As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before *thee.


Malachi 3:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1[/SUP] Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before *me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.


Mark 1:2*thee-Malachi 3:1*me: Have you noticed a subtle difference?

Mark 1:2 (CJB) It is written in the prophet **Yesha`yahu, "See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you; he will prepare the way before you."

Malachi 3:1 (CJB) "Look! I am sending my messenger to clear the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple. Yes, the messenger of the covenant, in whom you take such delight - look! Here he comes," says ADONAI-Tzva'ot.

Malachi 3:1 (from the Hebrew)
Behold, I send my messenger. He will clear the way before you, and suddenly the Lord comes to his temple whom you are looking for.

So to put this all together, we are looking at four personages; God, Jesus, John, and God’s children.
After researching, Mark indicates “before thy face” as the one that is the Messiah, so *thee, is Jesus Christ.
Malachi, on the other hand, indicates, by the phrase, “whom you seek” that God’s people are look forward to the coming of Messiah.
In both scriptures we read that God is going to send John to prepare the way for the Messiah, who is *thee and *me in both passages.
In Mark (CJB) we read “I am”=God, “my messenger”=John, “me”=Christ Jesus, and “I am” is also Christ Jesus.

**Isaiah 40:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:


Proven scriptures as follows:

John 14:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Exodus 3:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 14:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

We must all understand that everything we read in God’s Word was the plan, and will of God, from before the beginning of time, and finalized before time with Christ. This includes everything that we read in His Word. We are to search His Word with the same gravity as anything else we read in His Word. Remember, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I may regret even replying to you once more but....Maybe when you quit posting, I will. Just because you happen to be one of thousands of people who have been deceived about a particular scripture, and a few others try to enlighten you, you don't have to take every comment as a personal affront and get nasty.
There you go again. You have no desire to discuss scripture. You have already made up your mind what is truth, So why are you even here? This is a bible discussion forum. We are supposed to discuss scripture.

No wonder your so offended when someone actually questions what you say. You assume your right, and all other people are deceived. Instead of allowing someone to show you why they believe the way they do. and having an actual humble discussion. You say stuff like this, and you expect not to get confronted??

Thats funny. Because I have agreed to disagree with many who believe as you do. and have said over and over it is not salvic.. Yet according to you. there is no humility. I am decieved, And if I don;t like it, well thats just too bad!


If your comments made sense, and showed that you actually read what others posted, rather than ranting incoherently, maybe you could have a good conversation and all involved could learn.
I can learn? Learn from what, you telling me I am decieved? You telling me my belief ONLY COMES from listening to other teachers?

You do not think I have studdied this? let me give you a hint sister. I have studied this subject for over 20 years. I don't claim to know everything and am willing to learn. But don;'t you tell me or anyone else we are decieved, or we only listen to others and do not have a mind of our own, You have no idea what we have studied,

Oh, by the way, I assure you I wasn't "aiming" my earlier comments toward you - never in my wildest dreams would I have mistaken you for a preacher, pastor, teacher, etc.

lol.. Wow. What an attack. And you claim to be from God.. You being a so called woman of God should know that was not what I was saying.. You just lost the last little bit of credibility you may have had..

Maybe one day you will stop thinking about self. Start thinking about what you say, Stop making false accusations. And actually learn to have a conversation. Then maybe people will start to trust and want to speak with you (of course you have your followers who agree with you, who will agree with everything you say, WHo knows. Maybe you like thay. maybe it puffs you up?

I would rather worry about what God thinks than what everyone else thinks!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You are a divisive, iniquitous soul, IMO. You falsely accuse others who see through and confront your confused ramblings, and then try to stir up everyone against them. That is iniquity that GOD hates.

The pharisees did this, its ok. let them continue.. The more they do it, the more their true selves are exposed!

I got angry earlier and had to leave, Which I confess. But let them go. they will just continue to expose themselves.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No problem at all brother. I have done the same, and probably more often. It's irritating, to say the least! I guess I would have one thing to say to all, including myself. It takes knowledge to know that tomatoes are fruit; it takes wisdom to know they don’t go will in fruit salad.
You can start it, But you can;t take it.

keep it up. All your doing is exposing yourself.


if your going to come into a chat room and make accusations, or show doctrinal beliefs, Expect to be ready to discuss it with others without condemning them.

If all you are going to do is condemn everyone who does not agree with you. Then maybe you need to find another way to spread your truth.