So the OT writers are greater that John. And in the same boat as the NT writers.
What Laws are still valid to christians
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So the OT writers are greater that John. And in the same boat as the NT writers.
The foundation of Jesus' whole ministry was the OT.
However, that doesn't alter the fact that the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers, is completed revelation in which light the incomplete revelation given by the prophets is to be understood.
Yes, Moses and the Prophets are correctly understood only in the light of the revelation given by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), through the NT writers.
Then you don't understand the import of Hebrews 1-3.
Importance is not the same as correct understanding.
Jesus had to give the correct understanding of the OT, which was not had at the time, and is had only in the light of the NT word of God.
If revelation is not understood in the light of the NT word of God, that understanding is incorrect and has no importance.
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Very logical.....Of course not.....
Can a man be stealing and still say he is walking according to the Spirit.....
He also told us what the law is in Mt 22:37-40; Jn 13:34.I can help clarify the matter for you. I'm not in either place.
Again, Jesus told His disciples very plainly they were to follow the Law. Whether you think that it pleases God or not, or even if it should, it ultimately doesn't matter because Jesus told us to follow the law.
Precisely.
OT revelation is incomplete revelation. NT revelation is completed revelation (Lk 24:44; Heb 1:1-2).
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People would readily agree that we are to keep the percepts, proverbial sayings, and those things which define God's essence. What one define as Law, the other defines as Love. Both understand what Jesus did with the rest of the Law.
Both would agree and say that one cannot be in the process of stealing and still say that he is in compliance to the Spirit.
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"This is the work of God: to believe in the one he has sent." (Jn 6:29)
"Repent, and believe the good news!" (Mk 1:16)
After Matthew 5?
And I completely agree that these commandments that He gave are a part of what we are to obey today. I just don't think that's the only thing, and that because of the greatest commandments, we negate the following of the Law.
Given all of the scriptures, I suppose I can relent on this point, and will reluctantly agree.
It is impossible to please GOD with works of law.
Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him. Hebrews 11:6
The law is not out of faith, but “the one who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3:12
Really? Circumcision? The letter says that every male child must be circumcised. Paul said that obedience to Christ (following the spirit) forbade circumcision in the flesh as a means of obedience to law.
The letter says one thing; the spirit says another.
One has to keep in mind that the Old Testament was still in effect until the death of Christ. Therefore what Jesus taught until that time was the Old Testament. Good point brother
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There has to a be a balance for all us with these scriptures, no matter which side of this argument we fall on. Because there are verses that show our faith is what is pleasing to God, but there are also verses that say: I think this concept extends beyond just the Law, but works in general.
[h=3]Colossians 1:10[/h]10 so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, [a]to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and [b]increasing in the [c]knowledge of God;"
[h=3]James 2:17[/h]17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is [a]dead, being by itself.
I think this concept extends beyond just the Law, but works in general. So how to be balance the two? (this question if for both sides)
Can a man be uncircumcised (the law) and still say he is walking according to the spirit?
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of coarse!!!!
Can a man be uncircumcised (the heart) and still say he is walking according to the Spirit?
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jesus tells us in matt 5 to follow more than the law. The law is not complete. as he said, The OLD law says this, But I tell you, it includes this.
And if your gonna follow law. Again, you should follow every part. we can;t pick and chose what to follow and what not to