What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

How are we to live righteously?

Flesh can't, born again can, by the Spirit of God. living through us, we die self with Christ at Christ's death of the cross, be made conformable to his death, so that we see the new life hidden in God by Christ, and the Holy Ghost now does the work through us, all by god's miraculous love
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

[Welshman]

Psalm 103 v 30 bt this my reply to you friend is the last ok I wish you well no offence bt I dnt want to debate with you for reasons previously stated now I wish you all the love in The Lord please accept my request in the same spirit I send brother I dnt want another question upon your reading I'm sure you will many thanks....

 

[homwardbound]

We can't live righteously my friend its the righteousness of Jesus living in us ? Permeating our inner parts our sinews our loins our hearts hence god is writing his laws in our inner parts? Aren't these organs our inner parts brother? Our flesh is being told by gods spirit to obey his will in and for our bodies? Not our own will or pulls or impulses , this is gods active word conforming us daily unto a perfect man ? God wants us to surrender our free will to instead obey his will? The flesh and the mind are not inclined to do this? So The Lord tells us if we follow our free will we will destroy ourself as the wages of sin is death ? Yes its true our organs our tissues our eyes ears , skin and bones is being renewed by Jesus for us so we may be as he? Jew or gentile matters not? The issue is our we doing what god asks us? And god is asking us can I come and live with you in your body and make you like me, and is this what you want also? No force its a choice? When Jesus tells the believer all or part of whats true the believer knows Jesus is god he made me a real person he brought me forth he wants me to live for and in him ? This is beyond magic, or good news this is amazing Jesus loves me that little sinner frm the village? Yes Jesus knows me by my name incredible fantastic, words simply dnt suffice? The law didnt teach me any of this no nor man bt the Holy Spirit has revealed all this and more thank you lord for all your mercy I'm not worthy not worthy at all. I deserve death for all gods laws ive broke how can I ever avoid his sentence? Thank god Jesus paid my price and served my sentence for me this fact changed everything for me

Thanks well said, keep listening

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who says you're required to do it and where? And if there is such a place, for what purpose are you required to do it all?

God said it. to moses and the people it was given to.
Paul said it, in his epistles.

The law is one thing, Your trying to tear it apart into small things, This is not scriptural.

Because of the Holy Spirit's guiding. Just as you don't read every single command in the NT and say that you have to do all of them right now, the Spirit lays on your heart which ones to follow and when and how to follow them. Obviously, the Spirit says you don't need to physically follow sacrifices because that's what Jesus did.

lol. Sorry, But anyone can say they have the spirits guiding, If parts of the law are no longer valid, and we should follow law. Then it better say someplace. otherwise we are listening to men

Yes, really. I've seen it here several times. It's not the big ones like adultery that are the ones I'm talking about. You're right, every one will agree you shouldn't do it. But Sabbath? Kosher? Circumcision (as you mentioned)? I've seen several times people saying you can't do those things, and if you do, you're negating Jesus' sacrifice.

If your doing it to be saved, you are. If you are telling people they must do it, you are. If you are telling people if they do not do it they are in sin, You are.. It is called judging people. for the things Christ paid for on the cross.

As an aside, there are several studies out there that indicate the 8th day of a child's life is medically better for circumcision because of bodily development. I'm not a medical guy, so I can't go into much detail there. But I digress.

There is a reason God said do it on the 8th day, He made us, he should know. I have no problem with medical science confirming what God already knows. it just supports him, and shows he was right in the first place.

And I would say that the Law is something God told His people to do. And as I've said before, we're not "commanded" to do for any alterior motives, but we are told to do those things.

The law was given to Isreal. Not us, We are told to do some things which are included in the law. But we are not told to obey the law.

It's not hard for some, but it can be very hard for others to discern how to live on a daily basis with that Spirit. How to listen to the Holy Spirit, how to know it actually is the Spirit talking to you. That's why Jesus spent so much time telling His followers how to follow the Spirit, by giving the Parables, by going into detail about certain things.

I think from time to time it is hard for us all. No one is the perfect Christian, even Paul struggled from time to time.

But it still remains. If we are outward focused, we are following God, if we are inward focused (in anything) we are following the flesh.

They fight each other all the time, But we can know by our motives if we are following God or not.

 

[cfultz3]

The same Law which says, "do not..." is also retold to us by the Spirit if the occasion should arise.

All of those "do nots" tell us about God's essence: Love.

Love would not lie, steal, cheat, etc..... Indeed, love will do no harm (evil).

I would not have known that jealousy was wrong unless I was told by the Law. And now that I have the Law written upon my heart, the Spirit tells me not to be jealous of the Jones' good fortune. And just as the Law continues to say, the Holy Spirit will continue and say, "Be content with what the Lord has given you".

If I have not know the Law, then the spirit which would say, "God wants you to have what the Jones' have. God has given it to you and wants you to go and take it", would have me deceived as concerning God's will.

 

[homwardbound]

To listen to Jesus, who told us to follow the Law. And the Law that He (Jesus) gave to Moses.

And would that NOT BE THE SPIRIT OF GOD, THAT CHRIST CAME TO GIVE WHEN GOD THE FATHER GIVES THIS TO US?
Will we not then be filled with God's type of love. Which Jesus said is the fulfillment of all Law

 

[Welshman]

Oh sister I simply think we have to disagree gracefully ? Il not enter a debate into hermeneutics with you bt I'm aware of meanings too and I repeat your analogies and understanding of things concerning the words you wrote Jesus did not do all the law is diabolical ?, it negates e wry thing Jesus did? As for the laws for women ? Jesus wrote the DNA that makes a woman a woman Jesus is the sum total of law. Because hi is in fact the writer of law the originator , the meaning of law? Jesus is as I said before the creator and architect of words? Hence the word? His name, laws are words joined together?

 

[Josh321]

God said it. to moses and the people it was given to.
Paul said it, in his epistles.

The law is one thing, Your trying to tear it apart into small things, This is not scriptural.




lol. Sorry, But anyone can say they have the spirits guiding, If parts of the law are no longer valid, and we should follow law. Then it better say someplace. otherwise we are listening to men



If your doing it to be saved, you are. If you are telling people they must do it, you are. If you are telling people if they do not do it they are in sin, You are.. It is called judging people. for the things Christ paid for on the cross.



There is a reason God said do it on the 8th day, He made us, he should know. I have no problem with medical science confirming what God already knows. it just supports him, and shows he was right in the first place.




The law was given to Isreal. Not us, We are told to do some things which are included in the law. But we are not told to obey the law.




I think from time to time it is hard for us all. No one is the perfect Christian, even Paul struggled from time to time.

But it still remains. If we are outward focused, we are following God, if we are inward focused (in anything) we are following the flesh.

They fight each other all the time, But we can know by our motives if we are following God or not.

we still slip up sometimes but we cease from practicing sin through the holy spirit

 

[homwardbound]

Very true. 100% true. So what does it look like when the mind and body follow the spiritual?

it is unfathomable love that those of flesh can't comprehend and just argue, making judgements
Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (Christ taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening),much less likely
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The same Law which says, "do not..." is also retold to us by the Spirit if the occasion should arise.

All of those "do nots" tell us about God's essence: Love.

Love would not lie, steal, cheat, etc..... Indeed, love will do no harm (evil).

I would not have known that jealousy was wrong unless I was told by the Law. And now that I have the Law written upon my heart, the Spirit tells me not to be jealous of the Jones' good fortune. And just as the Law continues to say, the Holy Spirit will continue and say, "Be content with what the Lord has given you".

If I have not know the Law, then the spirit which would say, "God wants you to have what the Jones' have. God has given it to you and wants you to go and take it", would have me deceived as concerning God's will.

Remember romans 1. And all those poor people before moses. Who understood this was a sin also..

No excuse.

The difference, I could lie to myeself before it was written in stone, After, I was forced to lie even harder to myself. or deny the law completely

 

[KohenMatt]

And would that NOT BE THE SPIRIT OF GOD, THAT CHRIST CAME TO GIVE WHEN GOD THE FATHER GIVES THIS TO US?
Will we not then be filled with God's type of love. Which Jesus said is the fulfillment of all Law

Yes, exactly.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

we still slip up sometimes but we cease from practicing sin through the holy spirit

yes, even if we become prodigal children, in deep sin, We can not stay away very long..

 

[WomanLovesTX]

The law was given to Isreal. Not us, We are told to do some things which are included in the law. But we are not told to obey the law.

I am an Israelite. And we are commanded to keep the commandments

(Mat 19:17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

(1Jn 3:22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

(Rev 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(Rev 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The word "KEEP" is Strong's G5083
τηρέω
tēreō
tay-reh'-o
From τηρός teros (a watch; perhaps akin to G2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from G5442, which is properly to prevent escaping; and from G2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), that is, to note (a prophecy; figuratively to fulfil a command); by implication to detain (in custody; figuratively to maintain); by extension to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively to keep unmarried): - hold fast, keep (-er), (ob-, pre-, re) serve, watch.

Observe.
Preserve.
Reserve.
Hold fast.
Keep.

So is it just the idea of "OBEYING" the commandments that is a turn off? Surely, Jesus meant what He said about the commandments.

 

[homwardbound]

I'm just looking for a practical example of how the Spirit causes you to live in a real and physical way. How do you show God that you love Him? How do you show your neighbor that you love him so that he knows it?

Actions and reactions show this, and none of me does this, if one is dead to sin and alive to God. God doing the work not self any longer
How can one ever be troubled by the rain when drowned? That is what is being said about the Flesh and the Spirit of God.
I have come to learn this, that God did not come to just live in me, rather through me, so God's faithfulness of God's love can be shown to all the world as if Christ were still here, declaring the righteousness of God and God alone

 

[Graybeard]

I am an Israelite. And we are commanded to keep the commandments

(Mat 19:17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

It appears that Jesus was referring to The Ten Commandments:

Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,' 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,' 'YOU SHALL NOT STEAL,' 'YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,'
Mat 19:19 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER,' and, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "

 

[Hizikyah]

It appears that Jesus was referring to The Ten Commandments:

Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,' 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,' 'YOU SHALL NOT STEAL,' 'YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,'
Mat 19:19 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER,' and, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "

HalleluYAHWEH brother Greybeard!, I agree but want to add, its more than 10:

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul knew this:

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

 

[cfultz3]

Remember romans 1. And all those poor people before moses. Who understood this was a sin also..

No excuse.

The difference, I could lie to myeself before it was written in stone, After, I was forced to lie even harder to myself. or deny the law completely

Indeed, the written Law brings in the recognition of sin and condemnation. But, it also tells me what is the will of God. If I did not know what the Lawgiver said about what does and what does not please the Father (specifically speaking about God's Law), then when He would tell me, if I were to be walking contrary to it, not to perform a certain action, then I could possibly claim that the voice speaking to me is of the devil.

What I am trying to say: by the Law I am able to know how God defines Love. I know love will do no evil. You know love will not self-please. We both know this because the books in the Old Testament of what we call the Holy Bible tells us such.

 

[homwardbound]

Again, very true, and I agree completely. I'm just trying to figure out what that unconditional love looks like practically.

Only God can reveal that to you, we can be waterers and planters, yet not ne of us can give the increase. I am praying God show you this unfathomable Love that no flesh can receive. Just read 1 Cor13 and be guilty again. Then when God gives you that type of love in 1Cor. 13:4-13, then you will what 1 Cor. 13:1-3 means in works of love that self tries to do is nothing without the love of God, shown in verses 4-13
Thanks, praying this helps in your struggles to be one with God. as you are by belief. Did you know this that your:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

I tried to improve on that above scripture and came to the end of the energy of my own flesh, raised my white flag and gave up self efforts, and started the trust, believing God did do as God says he did through Son, and God gave me the new life, and as I grew I came to see God desiring to not just live his life in me, rather through me.
For a man does not put his light under a lampstand for no one to see, rather on the lampstand for all to see
Jesus is that lamp, and the Lampstand is our minds, that God has called us to renew to God's way of thinking/
So by Christ through the death are we made Holy or not? Can anyone improve on that?
Just some Spiritual food for you and all that read this to chew on, and then swallow

 

[just-me]

Read Enoch chapter 7 for a guide gen 6 v 1-5 for a start the earth was the abode of angels long before man was placed here bt as they rebelled and fallen angels mingled with flesh later on bt I'm not gna argue with you friend I've taken careful notes of many your replies and in my opinion you are just too set in mind to be able to open up to anything other than what you hold? Hey brother its your choice I respect it I'm sure u mean well in your aims and goals bt for me I'm afraid I think your way off mark you will not relent a single point in over 100 pages and I most certainly dnt want to be involved in another 100 job 38 has some hidden treasures if the Holy Spirit should choose to reveal to you my friend

Is that the first book of Enoch? I have that. I might have missed it when I read it before. Thanks man!! big time!

As far as my responses to others, I have determined not to respond to others that do all they can to antagonize. I see that I have presented my self incorrectly, and also our Father in heaven by my defensive actions. Sorry, I hope this shows you that I consider myself as a student of the truth and still learning.

 

[homwardbound]

So obedience to His instructions please Him? Could obedience to the Torah please Him as well?

Neither one, of what you posted here, for no flesh in his sight will ever please him except Christ Jesus and today we know him no more in the flesh, only in the Spirit. For God is a Spirit and can only be worship this way in Spirit and truth
John 4:23-24, being born again in God's Spirit and no one have this unless God imputes this on to you. So ask God for his Mercy and free gift