What Laws are still valid to christians

[just-me]

?????? I have to confess. I didn't see the humor. I challenged Jesus about that when our son died. He was there to help me pull through. Side by side. Closer than a brother.

sorry about your loss, and i was correct with jesus helping us through,(as all of us, through the hard times) and not a yolk that a yak pulls a heavy load. agian sorry for my poor delivery was meant that, he helps us pull through, come what may.

That's fine. If we didn't have that yoke of Christ on, personally I can't see how we could ever get anywhere. And you are right. really. He said my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Matthew 11:28-30 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[Josh321]

So how we r saved?

you gotta want to be saved, if you truly thirst for God you will receive a calling, honestly i believe a calling is when we go into desperation, when something happens to you and you say, "well look i'm done with this i need God in my life" my calling was i almost died and i got scared i didn't know where i would end up so i ran full speed straight to Jesus to find out the true meaning of christianity and the thing is he will know exactly when your ready, it's like he knew i was ready to give my life to him the name of the sermon that was preach that day was "God wants to ignite somebody today" i didn't even know what would happen if i believe or what the holy spirit was until that happen to me

 

[just-me]

So how we r saved?

I see it this way sis. We first need to see the need to be saved. Then we can see that we can do nothing to pull ourselves out from a certain death situation. The Word of God shows us the situation that we are in, and Obviously has sent His own Son to deliver us. We confess those things (sins and transgressions) to Him that we find in His Word that keeps us apart from Him, also turning from them and toward Him at the same time, and He stretches out His hand and pulls us toward Him out of the danger that will kill us for sure.

2 Corinthians 6:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP](For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Every day, find out where you stand with Christ, and take nothing for granted. Die daily to yourself, and ask God every day, with sincerity, to do in you what you can't do yourself. The more we die to ourselves, the more He fills the gaps with His Spirit.

Ephesians 5:14-20 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Philippians 4:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good evening,i am new to here.
Problem in many churches on the west is that they understand salvation as a moment in life when u say i believe in God and by that u r saved.Well,that would be good thing,but is it true?
Am understanding salvation as process,which teaching us Lifes of Saints.If u read them.

If one has true faith, then that is correct. If they have mere belief, then not.

We would know by how they change after, If they changed at all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

certianly a life long endevaour.

Life long endevore to be saved??

 

[Welshman]

Am I the only person who is willing to challenge to post on page 133 that Jesus did not do all the law? If Jesus did not do all the law seeing as he was under it in the flesh in obedience to the father, if Jesus did not do all the law required then Jesus death was pointless , needless, the price he paid was futile , we are still under judgement unto death and god is a masochistic murderer for putting his son into the hands of lawless men to kill and murder him?, gods only son? This is diabolical nonsense? All in defense of the primacy of the law over faith? Never in my life and I'm no teacher bt this is simply madness? I'm only reposting this in case anyone earlier missed it , but I feel that this post to which this is my reply needs absolutely refuting, and by no means should be unchallenged, I dnt profess to be a teacher in our lords word bt an attentative listener and reader bt this really shocked me not sure who posted as of time I'm writing bt page 132 or 133 was were first read, and I felt compelled to show this is an insane quote and well il let others have thier say I have had mine.... Love and good night to all gods children on the great planet earth rest well friends til tomorrow ... Amen

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Am I the only person who is willing to challenge to post on page 133 that Jesus did not do all the law?

I think most were just choosing not to dignify it with a response. Of course Jesus fulfilled the entire law. Sure, parts of the law might have only applied to men, or women, or the married etc., but to say Jesus did not fulfill the law is heresy.

 

[cfultz3]

I think most were just choosing not to dignify it with a response. Of course Jesus fulfilled the entire law. Sure, parts of the law might have only applied to men, or women, or the married etc., but to say Jesus did not fulfill the law is heresy.

I agree with you and I think she was saying the same thing as you just concluded. As a man, He fulfilled the laws which pertained to a man. But, He was not a woman, nor was He married. Nor did He ever steal, so no need to repay accordingly.....

 

[Welshman]

Thank The Lord you cfultz3 and eternally grateful saw it though ? I couldn't help respond brothers I truly couldn't heresy of the highest form I've never seen anyone try to divide the word of god so wrongly bt thanks anyway least I know I wasn't alone much love in Christ brothers follow your posts frequently both of you? Til next time friends amen glory be too god for true insight....

 

[Josh321]

on to a next thread with the same argument shall me? lol that's all that ever happens here and never come to terms with the truth

 

[Graybeard]

So how we r saved?

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES ON HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME."
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

 

[cfultz3]

on to a next thread with the same argument shall me? lol that's all that ever happens here and never come to terms with the truth

Hey Josh,

May I ask you what did not get resolve?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

I think most were just choosing not to dignify it with a response. Of course Jesus fulfilled the entire law. Sure, parts of the law might have only applied to men, or women, or the married etc., but to say Jesus did not fulfill the law is heresy.

When you use the word "fulfil", are you saying Jesus fully preached and taught the law or that Jesus made the law void? I'll tell you in advance I believe Jesus fully preached and taught the law and that it is not void or nullified or nailed to the cross.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When you use the word "fulfil", are you saying Jesus fully preached and taught the law or that Jesus made the law void? I'll tell you in advance I believe Jesus fully preached and taught the law and that it is not void or nullified or nailed to the cross.

Fulfill means neither. Fulfill means Jesus satisfied the righteous demands of the law: perfect obedience and perfect payment for transgressions under the old covenant. Regarding the law, he is blameless, and we believers are blameless in him. The law has no authority over those who are led by the holy spirit of GOD.

If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law [of Moses]. Galatians 5:18​

 

[Josh321]

Hey Josh,

May I ask you what did not get resolve?

did the problem get resolved? i'm sorry didn't know

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

When you use the word "fulfil", are you saying Jesus fully preached and taught the law or that Jesus made the law void? I'll tell you in advance I believe Jesus fully preached and taught the law and that it is not void or nullified or nailed to the cross.

When I say Jesus fulfilled the law, I mean that my righteousness is in Him, through faith, and His perfect blood that was shed for many.

Matthew 5:17 - 18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

1 Corinthians 6:9 - 11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When you use the word "fulfil", are you saying Jesus fully preached and taught the law or that Jesus made the law void? I'll tell you in advance I believe Jesus fully preached and taught the law and that it is not void or nullified or nailed to the cross.

if it is not. there ain't a one of us who is going to get to heaven, we have not been doing the animal sacxrifices as payment for sin in close to 2000 years, thats alot of people who will be condemned by the law because jesus did not "fulfill" it. and nail the penalty of it to the cross..

 

[cfultz3]

did the problem get resolved? i'm sorry didn't know

I was asking you because you said it was not. It was not resolved in general? It was not resolved for so and so?

I noticed it was a lot of misunderstanding in lingo

 

[Hoffco]

To womanlovesTX, Do you believe Eph.2:14-16? It is very clear that Jesus did away with the ordinances of the Old cov.. The law of circumcision is done away with, it is not for us in the New Cov in Jesus blood. The sign of the New Cov. is water baptism and communion is commanded in the New Cov. we done keep the OLd Cov. Passover. It would be wrong for Christians to sacrifice any animals today. Jesus "fulfilled" and did away with the Passover and made it obsolete , void, Jesus nullified the Passover. As you read the O.T. and see what God required of the Jews then, don't do it yourself, unless you can see it in the new testament. If it is not repeated in the N.T. , it is not for us today. All the ten commandments, except the sat. sab., is repeated in the N.T. for us to do today. The Sat. Sab. is not for us,, Sunday is our day of worship.. BUT, if you lived in Israel, you couldn't have church on Sun. because they all work on Sun. so they worship on Sat. when the Jews have their day off for worship. In regards to baptism,I believe the Biblical way is immersion, BUT,if one is deathly afraid of water, I would allow bap. by sprinkling a little water on their head. We have some liberty in our N.T. practices. I serve communion to all in attendance, I don't "close" the table, I leave it "open" to all, and and tell them, this many be the time God choses to save you, as you remember Jesus death for you, by eating the symbols of His death.
In regard to the one asking about our sal. is it a "momentary exp". or it is a "gradual process"; It is both, the moment God gives us the New birth, the new Heart,, we are saved, But then our experience of a life time is required to save us. Love to all Hoffco

 

[Delija]

you gotta want to be saved, if you truly thirst for God you will receive a calling, honestly i believe a calling is when we go into desperation, when something happens to you and you say, "well look i'm done with this i need God in my life" my calling was i almost died and i got scared i didn't know where i would end up so i ran full speed straight to Jesus to find out the true meaning of christianity and the thing is he will know exactly when your ready, it's like he knew i was ready to give my life to him the name of the sermon that was preach that day was "God wants to ignite somebody today" i didn't even know what would happen if i believe or what the holy spirit was until that happen to me

Sorry for that,but what have u waithing for when in the moment of death u started to believe?
So,from your perspective u are saved now?