What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

If any of the following are broken, one of these two is broken:

Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."

Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

Yes all the above 100% truth as into man's inability to obey the Law perfectly yes? That includes the Laws of love, man is not even able just to obey those two is he, me, you and or anyone else right? Even though we do try with 100% effort?
So I desire to be perfect and you and you and many others do; is this truth?

So the ? remains how can I attain perfection, can "I", "YOU" or anyone else ever attain perfection in and of themselves, is that even possible? I am speaking of me doing it, myself?
And if "I" ever attained it, made it, became perfect in and of me doing it, through me believing, would I need God any longer?

Why was Paul buffeted when he thought he attained perfection?
[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]I will say this: because these experiences I had were so tremendous, God was afraid I might be puffed up by them; so I was given a physical condition which has been a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to hurt and bother me and prick my pride. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Three different times I begged God to make me well again.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Each time he said, “No. But I am with you; that is all you need. My power shows up best in weak people.” Now I am glad to boast about how weak I am; I am glad to be a living demonstration of Christ’s power, instead of showing off my own power and abilities.

[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


so what should be sufficient for me God's grace or me looking good as to what I do or not do? I think we are by this to be shown to be humble is this right or wrong

[h=3]Micah 6:8[/h]Living Bible (TLB)


[SUP]8 [/SUP]No, he has told you what he wants, and this is all it is:
to be fair, just, merciful, and to walk humbly with your God.

[h=3]Micah 6:8[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good;
and what doth the Lord require of thee,
but to do justly, and to love mercy,

and to walk humbly with thy God?

I know you thank God for God's Mercy and in appreciation you are trying herd to what he wants. Are you sure it is of God or your own flesh might be deceiving you. Just food for thought Brother because I came to the end of the energy of my own flesh deceiving me and trying so hard to enter God's rest and just could not until I gave up and saw the ony way to truly love was first seeing the unfathomable love God has for us,
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.



Then there is the:
Ephesians 3:18
may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

you might have already seen and know this and you might not be walking by your own flesh, only you know this truth between God and you.
Love you deeply

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Reminder: Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a Rabbi. Follow Jesus and His teachings and you might become a Judaizer.

no we would not do this. Jesus was around before the jewish nation even came to be.. We follow him, we will become Christian.

 

[homwardbound]

Please post the contradictions. I haven't changed my stand that (I'll make bold, not sure that will help) JESUS DID NOT DO ALL THE LAWS PERSONALLY BUT HE KEPT ALL THE LAWS THAT PERTAINED TO HIM. JESUS DID NOT DO AWAY WITH GOD'S LAW - TORAH. NEITHER ARE WE TO MAKE VOID GOD'S COMMANDMENTS WHETHER THEY ARE OF OLD TESTAMENT OR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. PERIOD.

And the Laws of Love is what is in place today correct:
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law
So which Priesthood or we now under after the cross? What Laws are in effect that fulfill the whole Law? And how can this ever be attained ever by human flesh?
If human flesh can ever be perfect other than Christ's, then what need is there for Christ? His death then and resurrected Life for you and me and the whole world then is made void yes is that true if I, you or anyone else could ever be perfect of themselves?

 

[homwardbound]

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

So what do these verses mean? Can we take four verses out of this letter and build a solid doctrine? Does this mean that God did away with His own law that scripture stated to be perfect, good, and just (Psalm 19:7, James 1:25, Proverbs 4:2, Romans 7:12, Romans 7:16, 1 Timothy 1:8)?

Are we to abolish the Law of God in our faith (Romans 3:31)? Did God somehow make an already perfect law according to His own standards even better by changing the commandments, or as some say, by abolishing them?

To answer your question, Yes, Jesus fully preached and taught the commandments of God, reinforcing that the PURE WORD (as opposed to the traditions and man made rules the Pharisees and Saducees imposed upon the faith) is HOLY, GOOD, PERFECT and JUST. WHAT STINKS AND JESUS MADE CLEAR THAT WAS TO BE DONE AWAY WITH WAS MAN'S TRADITIONS THAT MAKE GOD'S WORD VOID. DO NOT MISHANDLE THE WORD OF GOD. DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS.

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

When sitting in the seat of Moses, they read verbatim from the Torah. When the Pharisees stood up, they taught man made traditions and doctrines of men. Jesus was saying, What is read from the Torah is what you are to do, but do not do what they say when they are teaching from their own traditions and doctrines.

We see the same is still true today. Many Christian churches keep their man-made traditions and doctrines that make void God's Holy Words that are to be eternal.

One poster mentioned that the Sabbath is done away with. I disagree and believe that Sunday replacing Sabbath is heresy and is adding and changing the Word of God.

Jesus fulfilled the law in that He came and taught as a Master (of OT)/a Rabbi/Teacher, showing how to properly handle the Commandments/Laws and did not do away with them.

Jesus does not want His followers to follow man-made traditions. So the question turns around, since Jesus fulfilled all the law, what are you going to do with it?

What am I going to do with it or what am I doing with it, I am believing God, trusting God to do in me what my flesh could never do. And that is ever be perfect in and of self, so I agreed with God to die to self with Christ in the flesh of my mind at the death of Christ, that was not just for me to do, but for all that believe God to do.
Then by death to self in agreement with God to do to me being co-crucified with Christ I might see the resurrected Christ in the Spirit and my mind renewed into God's perspective, God's view through the Son to us ward.

How does God see us through his Son:

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

We are by Christ's death presented to Father as Holy, how can any of us ever improve on this?
So is it through death to self we might see life?
What other way is there, trying to good? I think not since no one is Good, except God the Father, even as Christ said that to in Matt 19, ad other places as well to that rich man, that did obey all the commandments from birth on, yet could not give up the riches in this world, and walked away very sad.
So can we give up all this world offers? Sadly I think not. So then the disciples asked then how can anyone be saved after seeing this rich man walk away
And Christ answered with man it is impossible. So what do you think is it possible for man by his efforts in his flesh to be perfect before God ever by flesh.
Has not Christ through the cross condemned all flesh to sin?
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So what do you think to that? Do we all possibly continue in sin, because we are trying not to? feeling good we do not sin as if we accomplished something and pride gets in our way, and we feel proud, and we get cut down again and sin again. An ongoing process of the flesh is this not? Not seeing that our own flesh has deceived us into doing good as God has commanded and not seeing God's new life in the Spirit of God through the cross of Christ at the resurrection of.
Just some thinking for each of us to do, as to ask God for the truth, and how can I perfect ever of me?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Lol. Jesus was and is the Christ. His lineage is from Judah, but he was certainly not one of those Pharisees, who today call themselves "Jews" but are not, and are a synagogue of Satan. He is our Teacher, but I can assure you, if we follow His teachings, we will never become Judaisers. Fishers of men, perhaps, but not Judaisers.

So you equate Pharisees with all Jews? Jesus hated not the Pharisees but their extrabiblical beliefs. Some Pharisees converted, like Paul. Jesus is our Rabbi and His teachings are The Way. Yes, be Fisher of men, unto the grace.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

So you equate Pharisees with all Jews? Jesus hated not the Pharisees but their extrabiblical beliefs. Some Pharisees converted, like Paul. Jesus is our Rabbi and His teachings are The Way. Yes, be Fisher of men, unto the grace.

The Jews of today largely consider themselves the spiritual descendents of the Pharisees. I'm not saying that we shouldn't love them, but I am saying we certainly shouldn't strive to be like them. They need to be converted, and strive to be like Jesus.

 

[just-me]

So you equate Pharisees with all Jews? Jesus hated not the Pharisees but their extrabiblical beliefs. Some Pharisees converted, like Paul. Jesus is our Rabbi and His teachings are The Way. Yes, be Fisher of men, unto the grace.

True, Jesus' teachings are also the Old Testament before He died on the cross. Some will deny that despite the truth of the Word. Hebrews 9:16-17

Jesus gave the law to Moses because He created all things. Colossians 1:16

 

[Welshman]

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[homwardbound]

The 10 Commandments of GOD are kept by Keeping the Great Commandment, and the second like it.

And before Christ, as Christ showed they never could of themselves ever be perfect in and of themselves, tat they need Christ, the way the truth and the life, to stop flesh works that never pleased God and walk by Faith in God and God will do whatever works are needed through the one's that believe God. Which I believe you do believe God. So is it possible that our own flesh could get in the way, and be a do gooder, others being pleased, by what they see us doing and give us rewards of pats on the back and recognition comes to us as if we are pleasing God, when just maybe we are not

 

[Welshman]

True tho Jesus was the god of the Old Testament ? No arguing with that? But Jesus is more than a rabbi? He is lord over all

 

[Welshman]

Quik question my friend? How and what are rep points who allows or permits them and what can we glean from them? Second how to start a new thread? Much love in Jesus friend,,,,

 

[Welshman]

For homeward bound last post ? Many thanks?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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Has just-me not showed you how to send Personal Messages (PM) to him yet?

 

[Welshman]

To rosé from the dead yes he has.now many thanks thought I was direct to him then my friend? My mistake didn't swap page lol still learning lol and all on I phone til I move shortly no computer set up here now will sort all out wen I move very soon hahaha like what you have to say here friend I've followed much of what you write

 

[Isdaniel]

Hmmm what law did Adam and Eve commit when they ate of the tree hmmmm thinking oh i have some suggestions i came up with .
1 they coveted God tree
2 they stole
3 they lied
4 they had other god before God
5 They committed idolitry
6 disobey their Father spiritually speaking

 

[homwardbound]

Luke 24



Now if only we could seek understanding on how the 10 Commandments are separate to the law of Moses.

Matthew 5 does give us instruction.

Does the Messiah remind us to get circumcised? no that is the law of Moses.

Does the Messiah reminds us to keep the land Sabbath? no that is the law of Moses.

What is mentioned in Matthew 5?

Though take heed loveme1 for the bar was raised and examples given by the Messiah express this.

So then do you know then by this bar that was raised there is no way to enter Heaven by our own flesh works. That by flesh works, we are to cut off and gouge out the parts of us that sin. Better for part of us to enter Heaven than all of us to go to hell.
Just something to consider whether this is true or not before the cross, all changed after the cross first the death of flesh Christ's, then the resurrection from God the Father For new life in the Spirit. Was this for us? What need otherwise did Christ do this for? Christ was perfect was he not? So there was no need for him to go to the cross unless it was for us yes or no please, this is for you to answer in yourself, not here or a need to post the answer, just in self as to what is true between God and you. Love is the answer at least to me it is

 

[just-me]

To just me? Can you let me know you gt my email s and a few pics I sent ? Hope so, if not let me know il resend friend

Got it, sent one back. thanks

 

[homwardbound]

I have answered you several times. The reason I use much dialog is because this subject matter is the biggest divide between Christians who believe that the Law of God is not voided by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The modern day, traditional or mainstream churches who follow that Jesus voided the OT laws is the broad path. I am not on that broad path, I am on the narrow path that leads to righteousness. The benefits of believing the whole Bible is still relevant for our lives today is so much clearer than the old path I once was on, believing that I was of the Church, separate from those people in OT, blah blah blah.

I am an ingrafted Israelite through the blood of Messiah Yshua! I believe the Torah is intended for all believers Jew and gentile. I am Torah observant and grace dependant. Although I seek to obey all of Torah that applies to me I fail to do so perfectly and so I am dependant on the grace of Yah for forgiveness.

Is that possibly mixing the flesh of self and the Spirit of God?
Does any flesh works please God?

 

[homwardbound]

so in other words, the law can not condemn you anymore?

Not if one is truly born again by God and from God only, what you said is truth EG, thanks

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by WomanLovesTX

I have answered you several times. The reason I use much dialog is because this subject matter is the biggest divide between Christians who believe that the Law of God is not voided by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The modern day, traditional or mainstream churches who follow that Jesus voided the OT laws is the broad path. I am not on that broad path, I am on the narrow path that leads to righteousness. The benefits of believing the whole Bible is still relevant for our lives today is so much clearer than the old path I once was on, believing that I was of the Church, separate from those people in OT, blah blah blah.

Is that possibly mixing the flesh of self and the Spirit of God?
Does any flesh works please God?

I never picked that up in her post. I totally agree with her.