What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

[GRA]

It is not any of the peace treaties that are in effect today.


Daniel 9:27 is pointed at Daniel's 70th week (time of Jacob's trouble). And we will not be here for the time of Jacob's trouble.


[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:27 (King James Bible)


The "he" that confirms the covenant with many for one week is the anti-christ. Therefore, Daniel 9:27 is about the covenant that the anti-christ will confirm and sign with Israel. So that they can start the rebuilding of the temple.

No - that is not correct...

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ~ Daniel 9:24-27

The last part of verse 26 - from the colon until the end of the verse - is what I like to call an 'aside' (because, in terms of thought process, the focus of what is being said shifts temporarily away from the "main/current focus" onto something else). Because the focus shifts away from the "main/current focus" - the new, temporary, focus is not necessarily constrained by the "main/current focus" at the point that the focus shifted. What this means for this passage is that, there is no necessity for the "destruction" that it is talking about to have anything [directly] to do with the 70 weeks (the "main/current focus" at the point of the 'aside') - especially where timing is concerned. The phrase "that shall come" simply points to "some time later" - and does not mandate that the target thought/focus "line up" with the 70 weeks in any particular way. In terms of thought process, it is a complete jump away from the 70 weeks that is being "discussed" before the point of the 'aside'.

At the beginning of verse 27, the focus returns to what it was before the 'aside'.

The word 'he' [x3] in verse 27 refers back to the word 'Messiah' in verse 26.

So - with the exception of the partial verse 'aside' discussed above - everything in these verses is talking about Christ.



The alignment of the 70 weeks is flawless -- if you know what you are aligning it with...



The "countdown" for the 69 weeks indicated in verse 25 starts with the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem.

The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the end of the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

How long was the rebuilding of Jerusalem?

[ Further comments will have to wait... ]

( The crucifixion occurred in the middle of the 70th week. )

Katy, honey - there is no 'prince' in verse 27. This is the mistake people make - thinking that 'he' refers back to the word 'prince' in verse 26. And, even in verse 26 - 'prince' is not the subject of the clausal statement after the colon -- 'people' is the subject; 'prince' is part of a prepositional phrase which helps to define 'people'. So then, because 'prince' is not the subject of the clause - and is only "prepositional" - it IS NOT a valid target for the word 'he' in verse 27.

Understand?

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[watcher2013]

Jerusalem is a city

The temple is a building in the city.

Your making things to lose. We do not interpret scripture with lose interpretations. if we did this. Any prophet could be seen as being able to predict the future.

God knew there would be all these commands. He also knew there would be these arguments long after the fact. If God wanted us to think Temple. He would have had Gabriel say temple, or house of God (the literal command) but he did not, He said Jerusalem (city)

Actually, there is no need for Gabriel to say temple:
Jerusalem is enough to understand it.

You are the only one making it complicated, you are trying to describe the difference between city and temple, when there is no need.

They both located in Jerusalem.

 

[watcher2013]

There are gaps in most of daniels prophesies.

Statue with 5 kingoms.

4 beasts. followed later by final beast (which is a more powerful 4th beast or rome)

All have a gap between the 4th beast or part of the statue, and the 5th. Why is there a gap? They all pertain to jerusalem, and the kingdoms who would be over her (starting with babylon) Jerusalem disappeared in 70 AD. thus no prophesy would apply since there was no Israel or jerusalem to conquer.

The later kingdom would again rule over Israel and City, as they have returned by some unknown reason, before they have confessed their lord, and this brings in the end to the gentile dominion over the city with the return of Christ.

Some people just do not want to see it. Because they do not want to Give Israel any means of return. The thought sickens them

There are no gaps in the vision of the Statue and the vision of the Beast.
Both visions relate to four kingdoms prior to God kingdoms.

the fourth was not defined for it stretched out

The Rome was divided (it break in pieces) then 10 horns will arise from it...then the Little horn.
the whole 4th kingdom consists of three phases/3 kings
Rome , ten Horns , little horn.


Overall
1. Babylonian Empire------------------------------------ 1
2. Medo-Persian Emipre
***a. Medes---------------------------------------------- 2
***b. Persian----------------------------------------------3
3. Grecian Empire-----------------------------------------4
***a. little horn of Dan 8 -Antichous Epiphanes-----5
4. *a. Roman ---------------------------------------------6
***b. Ten Horns -----------------------------------------7
*****Little horn --------8
5. Kingdom of Christ

That is your four kingdoms prior to Christ kingdom, also your 7 heads/kings of Revelation and the eight but is of the seven.

No gaps

 

[GRA]

70 weeks - significant events

457 B.C. - The decree went forth to rebuild the city.
445 B.C. - The wall of the city is built in 52 days.
405 B.C. - The rebuilding of the city ends 52 years after the decree went forth.
- 3 B.C. - Christ is born in Bethlehem.
- - - - -- ( Remember that there is no year 0. )
-30 A.D. - Christ is crucified 62 x 7 = 434 years after the rebuilding of the city ends.
- - - - -- ( NOT 434 years after the end of the 7th week - look carefully at Daniel 9:25-26 )
-34 A.D. - Daniel's 70 weeks end 70 x 7 = 490 years after the decree went forth.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

chosen, if i do a WORD SEARCH for the word peace, can i attribute every passage to the Antichrist (in our future)?

pretty sure Daniel 8:25 is about Antiochus Epiphanes
that's long ago fulfilled.

1 Maccabees 6:1–19 (NRSV) - " King Antiochus was going through the upper provinces when he heard that Elymais ..." - Biblia.com

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. - Daniel 8:19-25 (King James Bible)


From the context of that passage, it is the anti-christ who will stand up against the Prince of princes.

hold up....what covenant?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:27 (King James Bible)

no covenant was mentioned in those passages you quoted.

what SIGNING? what is signed? where does the Bible say anybody signs anything?

How do people usually confirm and verify a contract?? Don't they have to sign the contract with their names???

7 years - WHERE DID YOU GET THE SEVEN YEARS?

The one week referenced in Daniel 9:27 is a reference to 7 years. Why 7 years? Well think about it. How many days are in one week? 7


Here is a clear reference to the expiration of the first 3.5 years of the time of Jacob's trouble:


3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - Revelation 12:3-9 (KJV)



thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1,260 days = 42 months


And divide 42 months by 12 because 12 months are in a year. And then you get: 3.5 years.


Therefore that week in Daniel 9:27 has to be a reference to 7 years in the time of Jacob's trouble. It all adds up when you compare Scripture with Scripture.



2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. - Revelation 11:2-4 (KJV)



14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. - Revelation 12:14-17 (KJV)


time = 1 year, times =(2 years), and half a time = (1/2 years) or 3.5 years.

We get 7 years in Daniel 9:27 by the day = year principle:



33 And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness.
34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days,each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
35 I the Lord have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die. - Numbers 14:33-35 (KJV)



5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
7 Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it. - Ezekiel 4:5-7 (KJV)

where is there anything about anyone breaking a covenant (hmm.....which covenant...and who broke it? was there a new one planned)?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:27 (KJV)




Again, the he that confirms the covenant with many for one week is the anti-christ. The anti-christ (beast) will make a 7 year covenant with the Jews and in the midst (the middle) of that week (7 year period of time), he will break the covenant by causing the oblation to case. When the Daily Sacrifice shall be taken away.



11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. - Daniel 12:11 (KJV)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ask God i reckon (or Isaiah):

Isaiah 45:13
I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty."

Isaiah 44:28
who says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt," and of the temple, "Let its foundations be laid."

seems like God considers Cyrus' decree the main one.
i'm just reading what it says.
didn't write it.

No. Your trying to force this into your belief, And IGNORING what literally happened.

I am glad you feel free to do this. Forgive me if I can not.

Cyrus started the rebuilding process through the temple.

Artaxerxes completed the process by decreeeing the city be rebuilt. and making sure nehimiah had what he needed to do it.

According to your belief, Nehemiah should not have been given anything, The decree was already issued. thus he woul dnot have to ask permission.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

would it not????

The vision was clear "

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth ofthe commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem"..


COMMANDMENT to restore and to build Jerusalem:

did it say city proper or JERUSALEM

Brother. I do not know who you think I am, But I am not stupid.

Jerusalem is a CITY. It is not a BUILDING. A TEMPLE is a BUILDING. Not a CITY.

Isa 44:28 who saysabout Cyrus, 'He's my shepherd, and he'll carry out everything that I please:He'll say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt," and of my Temple,"Let its foundations be laid again."

and I think you would agree that the Lord is not lying about Cyrus regarding Jerusalem.

they can start at the corner...at the side or even at the heart of Jerusalem...in this case they started at the heart of Jerusalem "the Temple"

what you are trying to do is separate the temple from Jerusalem.

No. What I am doing is separating as City from one building in the city.

I showed you Cyrus decree. He decreed ONLY the house of God would be built.

The CITY laid in ruin, the walls were on the ground and the other buildings lied in ruin, UNTIL Artaxerxes gave the decree to rebuild the CITY

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You did not answer the question.

Which country is the peace treaty with?

Most likely all the countries at war with Isreal, And isreal

which would be most of the countries on earth

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually, there is no need for Gabriel to say temple:
Jerusalem is enough to understand it.

You are the only one making it complicated, you are trying to describe the difference between city and temple, when there is no need.

They both located in Jerusalem.

lol. Thats like saying the local catholic catherdral or rome would be the city of rome.

Do you think ANYONE would think if the city of rome was destroyed that if they were only allowed to rebuild the catholic cathedral. It would be considered rebuilding the city.

Am sorry my friend.. Again, I am not stupid. Neither was nehemiah, Who understood the temple was already in the process of being rebuilt. Yet went to the king to ask permission to rebuild JERUSALEM, Its streets, Its walls, And its gates.

He did not consider the city being rebuilt. And neither would any Jew who lived in the city and had to walk through the ruins of the city, and know they could do NOTHING about it (they tried once, but got shut down for a few years because they DISOBEYED THE DECREE

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are no gaps in the vision of the Statue and the vision of the Beast.
Both visions relate to four kingdoms prior to God kingdoms.

the fourth was not defined for it stretched out

The Rome was divided (it break in pieces) then 10 horns will arise from it...then the Little horn.
the whole 4th kingdom consists of three phases/3 kings
Rome , ten Horns , little horn.


Overall
1. Babylonian Empire------------------------------------ 1
2. Medo-Persian Emipre
***a. Medes---------------------------------------------- 2
***b. Persian----------------------------------------------3
3. Grecian Empire-----------------------------------------4
***a. little horn of Dan 8 -Antichous Epiphanes-----5
4. *a. Roman ---------------------------------------------6
***b. Ten Horns -----------------------------------------7
*****Little horn --------8
5. Kingdom of Christ

That is your four kingdoms prior to Christ kingdom, also your 7 heads/kings of Revelation and the eight but is of the seven.

No gaps

Your mistaken.

The final roman kingdom never came to exist.

The ten horn kingdom, had another king come out, Kill three of the first kings to take their seats. the final 7 kings gave the little horn complete control over their empires (financlial and military) and became puppet kings. The king who thus took over the new kingdom of rome gained control of the WHOLE EARTH (in case your wondering, Every Tribe, Every nation, Every tongue) Meaning the WHOLE EARTH.

No king has had this power. Many have tried (hitler being the last) but no kingdom has had this much power.

Thus this kingdom is still future.. Thus a gap is introduced.

Also. This kingdom will be DESTROYED BY THE RETURN OF CHRIST.. Last I checked. He has not yet returned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: 70 weeks - significant events

457 B.C. - The decree went forth to rebuild the city.
445 B.C. - The wall of the city is built in 52 days.
405 B.C. - The rebuilding of the city ends 52 years after the decree went forth.
- 3 B.C. - Christ is born in Bethlehem.
- - - - -- ( Remember that there is no year 0. )
-30 A.D. - Christ is crucified 62 x 7 = 434 years after the rebuilding of the city ends.
- - - - -- ( NOT 434 years after the end of the 7th week - look carefully at Daniel 9:25-26 )
-34 A.D. - Daniel's 70 weeks end 70 x 7 = 490 years after the decree went forth.

34 AD..

Israel is still in sin

The city is still under roman rule, and will be destroyed 46 years later by the kingdom.

So much for daniel and his prayer for HIS people and HIS city.

Thanks but no thanks..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

4 Gentile Beasts

Dan 2

Head - Gold Babylon
Chest and arms - Silver - belly and thighs bronze - media persia
legs - iron - Rome
feet - iron and clay - Rome 2
Iron (strong)

Concerning the 4th beast:

1. Will crush all other kingdoms, and power and territory will exced all of the other kingdoms. (History shows Rome fulfilled this not only in area of the kingdom, but in the number of years she held power)
2. It was this kingdom which was in power during the time of Christ, during the time of the writing of revelation. and in 70 ad, It had one king (vespacian) and its power was at its fullest. The people of this king destroyed the city of jerusalam and its temple. (titus) who at the death of vespacian, became king of rome, proving that in this time, we were still under the 4th or roman kingdom of iron.
3. At sometime in history, will splinter into ten kingdom or ten parts
4. Will be divided but still have the strength of the origional kingdom
5. partly strong and partly fragile (divided as it is not one kingdom in unity, but many kingdoms, which which will not adhere to one another (be in unity)
6. Christ himself (the stone) will destroy this kingdom (Stone hits the feet, which crush them) destroying this kingdom. causes all the gentile kingdome to crumble and fall, destroying all the gentile kingdoms (the statue) which was seen by nebechadnezzar. Leaving no trace of them behind (the end of Gentile dominion)
7. When the final kingdom (iron and clay) is destroyed, God himself will set up his kingdom, which will never be destroyed.

So what we have is this, in this shorter vision daniel is exposed to (a much greater one will come later)

1. only 4 kingdoms were in power up till Christ, the same 4th kingdom destroyed the city and temple.
2. History shows when Rome fell, it was divided into two parts (not ten) and then fell off the map.
3. Up until this day, there has been no nation which has had ten kings, which has part of the power of rome (iron) and part of the power of man (clay) thus, already in just the 2nd chapter of daniel, we have introduced a prophetic gap between the time the 4th kingdom suffered its mortal wound (died) and the restoration of that kingdom in a fractured way (iron and clay)
4. The final kingdom will be crushed by God himself, at that time, Gods kingdom will be established which will never be destroyed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

dan 7
Lion with eagles wings - Babylon, we are told wings were plucked off (lost its power) and made to stand like a man. Nebachadnezar lost his power. and made to crawl like an animal later, stood up again and regained his power (after confessing one God)
bear, standing up on one side - Media Persia -two sided bear, One stronger than the other, History showed the medes were weaker power, Persia untied with them, and was much stronger. In fact most historians call this the perisan empire, 3 ribs = 3 kingdoms destroyed by the persions, They egyptian, assyrian and babylonian empires were taken by this power
leapard - 4 wings and 4 heads - greek - one power splintered into 4 when Alexander the great died at a young age.

Concerning the 4th beast;
1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)
2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)

what we see here is a more detailed vision which goes into greater detail than the basic one of daniel 2 of the 4th beast, Chapter 8 goes into greater detail of the second two empires The interpretation given is mostly concerning the 4th beast, which was great and terrible. What we also see is another example of a prophetic gap between the original roman empire, and the reformed roman ten king empire, however, this gap is made more clear here as we will see.

According to the interpretation we are told this about the reformed empire;
1. 10 horns are ten kings, which will arise out of the original beast
2. another will arise (the little horn)
3. he will subdue three of the kings and these kingdoms will be added to his kingdom (leaving 7 kingdoms)
4. shall speak blasphemies against the most high God
5. change times and laws
6. Shall gain control of the whole earth
7. saints are given to him, and he will persecute them for times time and half a time (3 1/2 years)
8. slain at the end by Christ and sent to burning flame
9. Kingdom given to the Christ, and all men and nations and languages shall serve him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who is this Little horn? Do we see him again spoken of in prophesy?

Beast of revelation, given to John .

Ch 13:
1. Had characteristics of all of daniels beasts (leopard, bear and Lion) and is itself the 4th beast
2. Given power by satan himself (son of perdition)
3. Was mortally wounded (lost his power) but was restored to life (Rome died, and even though many have tried to revive it, No one has succeeded, Satan will revive this power)
4. Spoke pompous words (blasphemies)
5. Given power for 42 months (3 ½ years)
6. Given power to persecute the saints of God
7. Power is greater than any previous empire. As it is worldwide in scope (every tribe, language and nation were given to his hand) how many more ways can God say worldwide, every human alive at this time will be under his power.

Ch 17:
1. Was (had power) is not (lost power) will ascend out of the abyss (powered by Satan himself) will be destroyed (perdition)
2. 7 kings, 5 have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, media-persia, Greece. One is (rome) and one is yet to come (Rome 2 or iron and clay)
3. He will continue a short time
4. 10 kingdom nation (splintered, they will give power to the beast, but will not be unified.
5. Will make war with God himself (the saints) but will be destroyed by the lamb

Rev 19
1. Beast and worlds armies gather together to make war with the lamb
2. Christ defeats beast and worlds armies (so many bodies are left in this battle that birds feast on them for months)
3. Beast is captured, and thrown to the fire

So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)
2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)
3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)
4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)
5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)
6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)
7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)
8. Will is cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.

As I mentioned earlier. All of these accounts show a "prophetic gap" which is infered between the end of the 4th beast (rome) and the re-establishment of the beast in latter times. Here is the further proof I said I would show.

1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language
2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible
3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible)
4. The restoration of the woman (Isreal) and the temple in Isreal. Rev tells us this world leader, and these events (which I just proved could not have even been possible until the past 100 years, and has not happened yet) would go after the woman (Isreal) but that she will be protected supernaturally By God, and causes him to turn after her offspring (the church) Thus Isreal would have to have been re-established as a nation. It also tells us he will blaspheme God and his tabernacle by commiting the abomination of desolation, Which means not only will the nation have to be re-established, but the temple rebuilt. OT Scripture makes it clear, one day God will restor Isreal to her land and give life to it (dry bones) that during this time, there will be a time of Great troube (Jacobs trouble or great tribulation) such as never been seen before or after (will make AD70, WW2 and other great wars and tribulations look like a walk in the park) and God will use these events to put and end to the age of the gentiles, at which time, "All Isreal will be saved" as they repent and turn to their true God, and renounce all the false God they have been worshiping. Again, up until recent history, no nation has suffered total military defeat, her people spread throughout the world so no resemblance of them is found, and then been restored to her land, Isreal is the first nation in the history of mankind to have this happen (show me where the edomites, the hittites, the canaanites have been restored?)

since all of these events, until recent history, have been impossible to be fulfilled, or even have not been fulfilled yet. There had to have been a prophetic gap imposed on all these visions (which would include the vision and prophesy of Daniel 9 and his 70 weeks) which would prove, that dan 9 is NOT THE ONLY prophetic gap as seen in the visions and prophesies of Daniel.

 

[zone]

to prove that your view holds the truth you must also prove that the 1 week was complete.

from baptism to crucifixion - 3.5 years (generally accepted as 3.5 years ministry of Christ- no need to prove)
from crucifixion to rejection - ????? years (need to prove)

until you can prove you have the complete last week, your view is still open for criticism.

absolutely it is.
most people are against it.

no, i don't believe i have to prove any given event as the close of the 70th week.
the very events of 70AD are the proof the 70th week ended...40 years before

though i' guess i'm going to get back into it....not long ago i recall getting close - this was the passage:

Daniel 12
11"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! 13"But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."

one of these days, maybe.

how about a third one,

3. the 69 weeks up until Jesus was cut off . then the Last week was during the roman-Jewish War, beginning at the invasion of galilee from 67-74 AD. 70AD being the destruction of Jerusalem.

then your last week (7 years) would actually be 40ish years after the 69th (?)
that's a gap...i don't do the gap can't.

the roman-jewish wars are pretty important though.
Daniel 11 & 12,

I do not deny the specific time about the prophecy...
The first event:

and it was for the 7+62 weeks: From the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto Messiah.

That is your first reckoning of the first event.

here is the Second Event: (1 week)

After.... the people of the prince shall come:

The Roman invade Galilee in 67AD during the Roman-Jewish war ended in 73-74 AD at the mountain of Masada.

well, it's possible the roman-jewish wars might be covered here (though not beyond 70AD):

"And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined."

but that's not included in the 70 weeks, just like Titus isn't.
it's detail about the "even to the end" part...the utter end of Jerusalem.
the 70 weeks were for salvation. to fulfill the things listed that Jesus did.

The 70 weeks pertains to the people and the CITY.

you do not like the Gap, but the destruction of Jerusalem is added...

The reason behind the destruction of Jerusalem because it deals with the City.

So there is a gap in the prophecy.

i understand....but the 70 weeks are highly specific to daniel's prayer.
we keep forgetting to read the whole chapter.

the destruction of it isn't the 70 weeks. the 70 weeks are what all the prophets prophesied - Israel's redemption and salvation.

i agree completely the destruction is in the passage.
it's everywhere in Daniel...the metal-man image; the iron beast...

God was not pleased with the sacrifices after Jesus was sacrificed...

having said that...The prophecy was not about pleasing God, but the taking away of daily sacrifices...

Whether God was pleased or Not, the daily sacrifices continued till the destruction of the Temple.

but....when Jesus was crucified the Temple Veil was torn....there was an earthquake, etc.

it wouldn't matter if there were daily sacrifices after that or not: Jesus made a full end to that system when He died and rose from the dead.

the temple activities were continuing even as the Apostles were preaching and pleading.

God was patient.

 

[zone]

No. Your trying to force this into your belief, And IGNORING what literally happened.

I am glad you feel free to do this. Forgive me if I can not.

Cyrus started the rebuilding process through the temple.

Artaxerxes completed the process by decreeeing the city be rebuilt. and making sure nehimiah had what he needed to do it.

According to your belief, Nehemiah should not have been given anything, The decree was already issued. thus he woul dnot have to ask permission.

nah....that's all distraction.
it says from the going forth of the commandment.
that's all it says.
and God made a really big deal of raising up Cyrus and ordaining what he would do before he was even born.

i'm going with Cyrus.

 

[zone]

Most likely all the countries at war with Isreal, And isreal

which would be most of the countries on earth

i have yet to see any Peace Treaty.
where is it?

 

[zone]

Re: 70 weeks - significant events

34 AD..

Israel is still in sin

The city is still under roman rule, and will be destroyed 46 years later by the kingdom.

So much for daniel and his prayer for HIS people and HIS city.

Thanks but no thanks..

you mean to say the Coming of Jesus Christ and all He did wasn't as good as getting palestine and a permanent temple?

what greater answer to prayer than Jesus the Righteous Branch? The Son of David. The King of Israel?

 

[konroh]

Here are the literal facts about the covenant from Dan. 9:27: "He" makes it, "with the many" (Jewish nation), "for one week" (7 years), "he breaks the covenant in the middle" (3.5 years) stopping sacrifice.

Hebrew grammar is similar to English grammar (in fact all languages that I know) in that the pronoun "he" looks for the nearest antecedent. Verse 26 "the prince who is to come" is the nearest antecedent. Those who believe the "he" is the Messiah have to make a grammatical leap, not to mention the fact that Jesus is no where stated that he made a 7 year covenant with Israel that He broke in the middle, stopping sacrifice. True, His death is the ultimate sacrifice and all that is needed, but that's not what Dan. 9:27 alludes to.

No preterist can prove the details of the covenant have been fulfilled as Dan. 9:27 gives. It's still future. Does this mean there has been a 2000 year gap in this prophecy? Yes, but there are numerous prophecies where Jesus' 1st Advent and His 2nd Coming are blended, and they all have had a 2000 year gap. Not unusual or unbelievable.