What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?

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Did I say all the kingdoms were fulfilled...I just listed them down for you. (to show you there are no gaps in the kingdoms)

We are still in the second phase of the fourth kingdom, which is the rising of the the ten horns....soon a little horn from the ten horns will arise, which is also the eight king of revelation.

notice that the list have two little horn... one from the third kingdom which is Antiochus epiphanies. The other one is from the fourth kingdom which is yet to be revealed.
lol. The 4th kingdom was destroyed. Rome is not in power anymore. And has not been for quite some time.

Did you even take the time to read my posts on the 4 kingdoms. Or just ignore them?


Rome was Iron (the 4th kingdom). Which fell away many many years ago. It is DONE

the next kingdom is Iron/Clay. Which is not in existance yet
 

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I disagree.

1. We were not told that the messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week. But at the completion of the 69th week.\
2. Israel (the context of the prophesy) was still in sin, and remains in sin. and the city still lies desolate. thus the completion could not have been fulfilled in my mind.
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I recently found a big sale on the Believer's Bible Commentary for my WORDsearch 10 software. I think it will be helpful if I post an excerpt from that Commentary, on the 70 Weeks of Daniel. For those who are not familiar with that Commentary, here is some info about the Author, the Editor, the Overview, and comments from Dr. MacArthur and Warren Wiersbe.


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Dan. 9:24-27
Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people (Israel) and for your holy city (Jerusalem). The historical fulfillment of the first part of the prophecy shows that the weeks are weeks of years. Thus seventy weeks equal 490 years. We will see that the seventy weeks are divided into seven weeks plus sixty-two weeks, and then, after a time gap, one final week. At the end of these seventy weeks, the following six things will happen:

To finish the transgression, to make an end of sins. While this may refer in a general sense to all Israel's sinful ways, it has special reference to the nation's rejection of the Messiah. At the Second Advent of Christ, a remnant will turn to Him in faith and the nation's transgression and sins will be forgiven.

To make reconciliation for iniquity. The basis for reconciliation was laid at Calvary, but this refers to the time, still future, when the believing portion of the nation of Israel will come into the benefit and enjoyment of the finished work of Christ.

To bring in everlasting righteousness. This, too, points forward to the Second Advent and the Millennium, when the King will reign in righteousness. It is everlasting righteousness in the sense that it will continue on into the eternal state.
To seal up vision and prophecy. The main body of OT prophecy centers on the glorious Return of Christ to earth, and His subsequent kingdom. Therefore, the bulk of prophecies will be fulfilled at the end of the seventy weeks.

And to anoint the Most Holy Place. At the beginning of the thousand-year reign, the temple described in Ezekiel 40-44 will be anointed or consecrated in Jerusalem. The glory will return in the Person of the Lord (Ezek. 43:1-5).

9:25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. This was the decree of Artaxerxes in 445 b.c. (Neh. 2:1-8).

Until Messiah the Prince. This refers not merely to the First Advent of Christ, but more particularly to His death (see v. 26a).

There shall be seven weeks (forty-nine years) and sixty-two weeks (434 years). The sixty-nine weeks are divided into two periods, seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.

The city shall be built again, with plaza and moat, even in troublesome times. Jerusalem would be rebuilt (during the first seven weeks) with public square and protective channel, but not without opposition and turmoil.

9:26 Then after the sixty-two weeks—that is, after the sixty-two week portion of time, which is really at the end of the sixty-ninth week,

The Messiah shall be cut off. Here we have an unmistakable reference to the Savior's death on the cross. A century ago in his book The Coming Prince, Sir Robert Anderson gave detailed calculations of the sixty-nine weeks, using "prophetic years," allowing for leap years, errors in the calendar, the change from b.c. to a.d., etc., and figured that the sixty-nine weeks ended on the very day of Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem, five days before his death.

But not for Himself, or literally and have nothing. This may mean that He had received nothing from the nation of Israel, to which He had come. Or it may mean that He died without apparent posterity (Isa. 53:8). Or it may be a general statement of His utter poverty; He left nothing but the clothes that He wore.

And the people of the prince who is to come. This prince who is to come is the head of the revived Roman Empire, identified by some as the Antichrist. He will come to power during the Tribulation. His people, of course, are the Romans.
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The Romans, under Titus, destroyed Jerusalem and its magnificent gold-trimmed white marble temple in a.d. 70.

The end of it shall be with a flood. The city was leveled as if by a flood. Not one stone of the temple, for instance, was left on another. Titus forbade his soldiers to put Herod's temple to the torch, but in order to get the gold they disobeyed, thus melting down the gold. To retrieve the melted gold successfully from between the stones they had to pry loose the great stones, thus fulfilling Christ's words in Matthew 24:1, 2, as well as Daniel's prophecy.

And till the end of the war desolations are determined. From that time on, the history of the city would be one of war and destruction. The end here means the end of the times of the Gentiles.

9:27 We now come to the seventieth week. As mentioned previously, there is a time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. This parenthetical period is the Church Age, which extends from Pentecost to the Rapture. It is never mentioned specifically in the OT; it was a secret hidden in God from the foundation of the world but revealed by the apostles and prophets of the NT period. However, the principle of a gap is nicely illustrated by our Lord in the synagogue at Nazareth (Luke 4:18, 19). Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a but cut it short at "the acceptable year of the Lord" (His First Advent), and left off the judgment of His Second Advent: "and the day of vengeance of our God" (Isa. 61:2b). In between was to occur the whole Church Age.

Then he (the Roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many (the unbelieving majority of the nation of Israel) for one week (the seven-year Tribulation Period). It may be a friendship treaty, a non-aggression treaty, or a guarantee of military assistance against any nation attacking Israel.

But in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The Roman prince will turn hostile toward Israel, forbidding further sacrifices and offerings to Jehovah.

And on the wing of abominations. We learn from Matthew 24:15 that he will set up an abominable idolatrous image in the temple and presumably he will command that it be worshiped. Some think that wing here refers to a wing of the temple.

Shall be one who makes desolate. He will persecute and destroy those who refuse to worship the image.
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate. Terrible persecution of the Jews will continue for the last half of the seventieth week, a period known as the Great Tribulation. Then the Roman prince, "the one who makes desolate," will himself be destroyed, as decreed by God, by being cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20).

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wow. what version do you have? Or did you change the word of God.


I think I have used KJV.

The actual text.

.[SUP]11 [/SUP](This is a copy of the letter that they sent him)
To King Artaxerxes from your servants, the men of the region beyond the River, and so forth:[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem, and are building the rebellious and evil city, and are finishing its walls and repairing the foundations.
I think whatever version you used you will still see they were referring to building the CITY.


The word complete is not there. It is an ongoing action. Not a completed one. If the actions were complete. then this letter has no basis, the work is already done.


You missed the whole point.

They were ONLY supposed to be building the temple. But (against the decree of Cyrus) they were trying to rebuild the City also.

Which is WHY

1. The letter was written
2. They were ordered to stop.

You need to think. if the decree was to rebuild the city. They would have been doing as they were decreed, and WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN STOPPED.

I hope and pray you were not using this post to support your point, because it goes AGAINST your point.



I suggest you read again the whole story:

This is why the work ceased:
Ezr 4:19 And Icommanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of oldtime hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition havebeen made therein.
Ezr 4:20 There havebeen mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countriesbeyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them.
Ezr 4:21 Give ye nowcommandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded,until another commandment shall be given from me.

It was not because they work against the decree of Cyrus, it was because of the allegation about the previous reputation of the city.

Again the command was to stop building the city....and they were stop building the temple.

Your imaginative reasoning contradict what the scriptures state:

Ezr 4:3 ButZerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel,said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God;but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrusthe king of Persia hath commanded us.

They were building according to King Cyrus commandment, not against it.

In fact, King Darius in Ezra 6:1 Issue a decree to search for King Cyrus Decree and when they found it the construction continued


The vision of Daniel 9:24
Was "
from the going forth of the commandment to restore and tobuild Jerusalem"

It did not say from the "completion" of the construction....

If you still insist your view...its up to you.







 
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Jesus himself did not confirm a covenant.
"Oh - but, yes He did!" :D


And confirmed it... ;)


And did away with the old.
After confirming it... ;)


All the words confirm a covenant means is a covenant, which was already in place. was confirmed. or re-upped so to speak.
"So - I guess that does away with the idea of the making of a NEW not-already-in-place 7-year treaty at the beginning of a 'Daniel's 70th-week 7-year-tribulation-period' - huh?" :p

:)
 
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lol. The 4th kingdom was destroyed. Rome is not in power anymore. And has not been for quite some time.

Did you even take the time to read my posts on the 4 kingdoms. Or just ignore them?


Rome was Iron (the 4th kingdom). Which fell away many many years ago. It is DONE

the next kingdom is Iron/Clay. Which is not in existance yet
huh?
it says nowhere the toes are some other kingdom.

what it does say is that Jesus smashed them when He came the first time.
 

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Thats alright.

I will go with the truth.

Cyrus sent the command to restor the temple. thats a fact. as seen in his doings.

The timeline does not fit with Cyrus' edict either.. So you continue to go with what you want.

I will go by what scripture says
the timeline fits Cyrus perfectly.
:)
 

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hope for the best, but prove it with recorded events not by another prophecy.
The Herods
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/63663-herods.html

this was a learn-as-i-went-type thing
messy, but some useful history in it.

covers the time specific stuff in daniel...past Antiochus Epiphanes et al...to the Maccabees; Herod; Ceasar and back to Heord.
i didn't know Antony & Cleo were in the Bible!!:)
there's so much history jammed into the chapter (11) i had overlooked it all.

this study helped me alot.

came across Mauro's seventy weeks and that was it, i reckon.
though i'll make another thread on Dan 12 when i can....hopefully we can get through it together.
 
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"Oh - but, yes He did!" :D



And confirmed it... ;)



After confirming it... ;)



"So - I guess that does away with the idea of the making of a NEW not-already-in-place 7-year treaty at the beginning of a 'Daniel's 70th-week 7-year-tribulation-period' - huh?" :p

:)
right you are GRA.
not to mention this was the covenant Jesus confirmed:

Jeremiah 31
A New Covenant
31"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD

Hebrews 8:8
But God found fault with the people and said: "The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

Hebrews 10:17
Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."

Mark 14:24
"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.

Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."


how does a Christian say Jesus didn't confirm a covenant?


Matthew 26:28
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
 
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how to get antichrist into ver 27,

see its easy:cool:
 

zone

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the Messiah was cut off (7+62=69 weeks) as clearly seen im verse 26, not in the midstof the week ofverse 27.
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:


after. after the 69th.
following it.
the 69th is over, then after Messiah shall be cut off.

that means either:

He was cut off in a vacuum of mystery non-time space

OR

He was cut off in the following week - the 70th.
 

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how to get antichrist into ver 27,

see its easy:cool:


No. You simply obey the command given in 2 Timothy 2:15 and compare Scripture with Scripture (1 Cor. 2:13), and then it becomes clear that the antichrist is the one being referenced in Daniel 9:27.
 
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I think I have used KJV.
I think whatever version you used you will still see they were referring to building the CITY.
yes, they were. And if you would get off your wagon, and actually read what I said in my origional post concerning this, You would know I never denied they were rebuilding the city.

all you have just done is prove you do not read what anyone says. You think you have me stumped. but you just agreed with what i posted in my origional post. How ironic.

Also notice. you did not respond to your versions completed, and the other version finishing (just started but not yet complete) why is this? this sounds fishy, as anyone with open hearts can see!


I suggest you read again the whole story:

This is why the work ceased:
Ezr 4:19 And Icommanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of oldtime hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition havebeen made therein.
Ezr 4:20 There havebeen mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countriesbeyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them.
Ezr 4:21 Give ye nowcommandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded,until another commandment shall be given from me.

It was not because they work against the decree of Cyrus, it was because of the allegation about the previous reputation of the city.

Again the command was to stop building the city....and they were stop building the temple.

Your imaginative reasoning contradict what the scriptures state:

Ezr 4:3 ButZerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel,said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God;but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrusthe king of Persia hath commanded us.

They were building according to King Cyrus commandment, not against it.

In fact, King Darius in Ezra 6:1 Issue a decree to search for King Cyrus Decree and when they found it the construction continued


The vision of Daniel 9:24
Was "
from the going forth of the commandment to restore and tobuild Jerusalem"

It did not say from the "completion" of the construction....

If you still insist your view...its up to you.


before you start demanding others read. you should read. I highlighted the important section in you rpost. and will repeat it here.

Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God;but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrusthe king of Persia hath commanded us.

Again, Cyrus only demanded they build a HOUSE of God. NOT THE CITY.

The reason they were told to stop. is they were against the decree. Only the house was granted, NOT THE CITY, If they had permission to rebuild the CITY, The decree of Cyrus would have to be done away with. The mere fact they were told to TEMPRARILY stop building the temple until they were given permision to start again proves this. No mention of being allowed to rebuild the city, even when the tmeple resumed, was even given, Further proof.

Try to read with an open mind, and not a closed heart. You will see it.
 
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"So - I guess that does away with the idea of the making of a NEW not-already-in-place 7-year treaty at the beginning of a 'Daniel's 70th-week 7-year-tribulation-period' - huh?" :p

:)

Nope. because it was never stated a new covenant would be made now was their?

And you thought you had me?? Try again..

jesus made a new covenant with his blood. It was not a covenant made for just 1 week. it was an eternal covenant. But if you want his covenant of blood to only be for 1 weeks. Thats up to you. I guess we all are doomed, Because his covenant is over! It ended 7 years after he as you say "confirmed it" So are we back to law now? since his "new covenant" has expired?
 
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huh?
it says nowhere the toes are some other kingdom.

what it does say is that Jesus smashed them when He came the first time.
No. It says it is a new kingdom

The iron was ONE KINGDOM.

the TOES are another (although holds the same identity of the first kingdom)

Jesus did not destroy Rome with his first coming. Where do you get this crap? it was around for a few hundred years, with the same power LONG after he left!


How do you expect me to buy into your arguments when they can easily be seen as not lining up with what really happened?
 
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Nope. because it was never stated a new covenant would be made now was their?
I am pretty sure that everybody I know who is 'pre-trib' believes it...


And you thought you had me?? Try again..
I thought you were 'pre-trib' and believed it.

Of course, the comment still stands ( the idea represented ) for those who believe it.



jesus made a new covenant with his blood. It was not a covenant made for just 1 week. it was an eternal covenant. But if you want his covenant of blood to only be for 1 weeks. Thats up to you. I guess we all are doomed, Because his covenant is over! It ended 7 years after he as you say "confirmed it" So are we back to law now? since his "new covenant" has expired?
Your reasoning is severly lacking...

To confirm something does not automatically make it expire...
:rolleyes:
 

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huh?
it says nowhere the toes are some other kingdom.

what it does say is that Jesus smashed them when He came the first time.

You are correct, there are ONLY four World Empires represented in that Statue, the ten toes of Iron mixed with clay are not a 5th Empire, but rather a revival of the Iron Empire that is weaker than the original due to internal bickering among the nations in who are part of that Revived Iron Empire.


Daniel 2:1 (GW)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] During the second year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, he had some dreams. He was troubled, but he stayed asleep.
That dream was of a HUGE statue made of four metals: Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Iron representing the four major Empires of the World.



The Golden Head of that statue is the GOLD EMPIRE, that represented the Babylonian EMPIRE. Their goldsmiths were famous all over the known world.

Would be conquered by:

The Silver Breastplate was the SILVER EMPIRE, which represented the Medo/Persian EMPIRE. They were known to have the best silversmiths in the known world.

Would be conqueredd by:

The Bronze Midsection (stomach and hips) was the BRONZE EMPIRE, which represented the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great. Whose Armies were famous for their Bronze shields and swords.

Would be counquered by:

The Legs of Iron was the IRON EMPIRE, which represented the Roman Empire. They counquered with their Iron Sheilds and Iron Swords

There has NEVER been another successful world Empire, though Genghis Khan came close, and Napolean and Hitler attempted it. HOWEVER, in Revelation we see a revival of an EMPIRE that is made up of the same general countries that were once part of the Roman Empire that will one day pick a single ruler to rule over the entire alliance of nations. The European Union pictures perfectly a Revival of the IRON EMPIRE, and already they are weakening due to internal bickering and financial instability. They are YET to pick a single ruler due to that bickering, but One Day SOON they will. And it will NOT surprise me when that shift of power to the one Ruler happens that a few of the countries will pull out or merge with other countries, JUST LIKE EAST GERMANY WAS TORN UP BY IT"S ROOTS; and then there will be ten toes, with Anti-christ being invited to rule over all ten.
 

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i meant i don't see a PEACE TREATY in the Bible.
where is it?
Daniel 9:27 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
Hebrew NASB Number: 1285
Hebrew Word: ‏בְּרִית‎

Transliterated Word: berith (136b)
Root: from an unused word;

Definition: a covenant:--

List of English Words and Number of Times Used
allied (1),
allies (1),
covenant (275),
covenants (1),
league (2),
treaty (4).

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

Then he (the Roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many (the unbelieving majority of the nation of Israel) for one week (the seven-year Tribulation Period). It may be a friendship treaty, a non-aggression treaty, or a guarantee of military assistance against any nation attacking Israel.
But in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The Roman prince will turn hostile toward Israel, forbidding further sacrifices and offerings to Jehovah.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel’s people, the nation Israel. “The ruler who will come” (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).
The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel’s safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that “seven,” after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.
This ruler will end... sacrifice and offering. This expression refers to the entire Levitical system, which suggests that Israel will have restored that system in the first half of the 70th “seven.” After this ruler gains worldwide political power, he will assume power in the religious realm as well and will cause the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2:4; Rev. 13:8). To receive such worship, he will terminate all organized religions. Posing as the world’s rightful king and god and as Israel’s prince of peace, he will then turn against Israel and become her destroyer and defiler.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [Dan. 9:25-27].
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The final "week" (the seventieth), a period of seven years, is projected into the future and does not follow chronologically the other sixty-nine. The time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks is the age of grace -- unknown to the prophets (Eph. 3:1-12; 1Pet. 1:10-12). The Seventieth Week is eschatological; it is the final period and is yet unfulfilled.

"The prince" is a Roman; he is the "little horn" of Daniel 7; he is "the beast" of Revelation 13. After the church is removed from the earth, he will make a covenant with Israel. Israel will accept him as her Messiah, but in the midst of the "week" he will break his covenant by placing an image in the temple (Rev. 13). This is the abomination of desolation. What Israel thought to be the Millennium will turn out to be the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:15-26). Only the coming of Christ can end this frightful period (Matt. 24:27-31).

My friend, you and I are living in the age of grace, and the Seventieth Week of Daniel, the Great Tribulation, as the Lord Jesus called it, is yet to take place.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.

Where do we get the fact that the Anti-christ "the prince" will come to power PEACEFULLY? Not from Daniel, but from this verse that is symbolism for a Conqueror that comes Peacefully. Conquerors in Bible times, celebrated their victories by riding a white horse in a Victory Parade. This is in the description of such a rider coming with a BOW, but no arrows; which symbolizes that he did not need t make war to conquer. The Anti-christ will peacefully re-conquers the old Roman Empire, symbolized by the ten toes of Iron mixed with clay:

Revelation 6:2 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

THAT is the Anti-christ, not to be confused with CHRIST who also rides a white horse when HE comes back to conquer the Anti-christ (Satan possessing a world Dictator).
 
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yes, they were. And if you would get off your wagon, and actually read what I said in my origional post concerning this, You would know I never denied they were rebuilding the city.

all you have just done is prove you do not read what anyone says. You think you have me stumped. but you just agreed with what i posted in my origional post. How ironic.

Also notice. you did not respond to your versions completed, and the other version finishing (just started but not yet complete) why is this? this sounds fishy, as anyone with open hearts can see!




before you start demanding others read. you should read. I highlighted the important section in you rpost. and will repeat it here.

Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God;but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrusthe king of Persia hath commanded us.

Again, Cyrus only demanded they build a HOUSE of God. NOT THE CITY.

The reason they were told to stop. is they were against the decree. Only the house was granted, NOT THE CITY, If they had permission to rebuild the CITY, The decree of Cyrus would have to be done away with. The mere fact they were told to TEMPRARILY stop building the temple until they were given permision to start again proves this. No mention of being allowed to rebuild the city, even when the tmeple resumed, was even given, Further proof.

Try to read with an open mind, and not a closed heart. You will see it.
Let see it one more time:

Here's what the adversaries of Judah heard:
Ezr 4:1 Now when theadversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivitybuilded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel;

And here's what they proposed when they came to see:

Ezr4:2 Then they came to Zerubbabel, and tothe chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for weseek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days ofEsarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither.

They proposed to help build because they seek the God of Israel: (obviously referring to building the temple)

and here's what the Jews said:


Ezr 4:3 ButZerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel,said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God;but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrusthe king of Persia hath commanded us.

They were building the temple according to the decree of Cyrus NOT AGAINST IT!

following the events the enemies sent letter to the king Artaxerxes requesting to halt the construction:

and HERE IS THE REASON FOR THE CEASING OF CONSTRUCTION:

your reason:

The reason they were told to stop. is they were against the decree

Biblical reason:

Ezr 4:18 The letterwhich ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me. v19 And I commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that thiscity of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion andsedition have been made therein. v20 There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled overall countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid untothem. v21 Give ye now commandment tocause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until anothercommandment shall be given from me.

THE REASON WAS NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILDING IT AGAINST THE DECREE OF CYRUS BUT BECAUSE OF THE CITY's PREVIOUS REPUTATION


and Here's what ceased:

Ezr 4:24 Then ceasedthe work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto thesecond year of the reign of Darius king of Persia

They were still building the house of God, that's what they working at, and THAT what CEASED



In Short:
1. Their enemies heard and saw they were building the House of God
2. The Jews are building the house of God according to the commandment of Cyrus
3. The construction of the temple ceased, when they received not to build the City.

Did they argued that the ceased order was for the city only and not for the temple????

NO, because they understand it plainly, that is why the work at the house of God CEASED....

YOU on the other hand, have a brilliant mind and open heart that you see it differently...

Maybe, try to read it with OPEN EYES.