The IMF Wants YOUR Money

[zone]

Repeating the error zone doesn't change the fact that it's an erroneous statement. There are so many ways to repay the national debt but you are entirely clueless about any of them and you don't really want to what they are either. Uneducated in these matters but strong willed, opinionated, and close minded is not a good combination in matters of sophisticated subject matter.

blah blah jews rule the world blah blah conspiracy theorist blah blah

you done?

There are so many ways to repay the national debt but you are entirely clueless about any of them and you don't really want to what they are either.

i can't wait to hear how you're going to repay the national debt - and presumably not incur another.
no airy-fairy undoables like shipping out every mexican either....errr.....illegal alien? - unless you have a complete financial plan for every nuance in that also.

i love reading...don't worry about being thorough.

subscribing to thread.

 

[zone]

Things look to be getting personal and accusatorial. Please step back get on topic.

oops....just finished reading.

unsubscribe.
who needs it.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Things look to be getting personal and accusatorial. Please step back get on topic.

Thanks. After I'd posted, I did reconsider changing some of my wording, but it was too late (beyond the 5 minute limit). I'm sorry to have wasted your time with our squabble.

You're acting like a juvenile jerk in my thread MR. What part of I have family over and am busy so can't spend lots of time here today was so difficult for you to comprehend.

I know AOK has put me on ignore, but for what it's worth to others reading, after contemplation, I don't agree with how I worded all of my previous post. Particularly the last paragraph was pretty pointed. I may have my suspicions about AOK, but I should have been more loving in my approach. I'm sorry for behaving in this manner, and grateful for your forgiveness.

 

[puddle]

Amazingly its the Church of England here in the uk that has our money! Over 4 bn pounds. None of its accounts that are available online show any of it invested in housing for the poor, soup kitchens, inner city projects etc. Amazing really.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The IMF was originally designed to assist with reconstruction after WWII, promote international economic cooperation, and provide its member countries with short term loans so they could trade with other countries. That's it. There was nothing else. They were a positive force and did a great job at post-WWII reconstruction for years.

Then it all changed. It really began with the oil crisis of the 1970s but not until the crisis of the late 1980's and the end of the Cold War in which the IMF began to assume the role of bailing out countries that were experiencing financial crisis (largely due to currency speculation but also Soviet sattelites experiencing collapse) with loan packages loaded with structural adjustment policies (SAPs) did they become what they are today. Their role changed and they transformed from a builder organization to a global loan shark exerting enormous leverage over the economies of about 60 countries. These countries have to follow the IMF's policies and SAPs after becoming indepted to the IMF. Thus, the IMF decides how much debtor nations can spend on education, health care, environmental protection, etc... and this is how they became one of the most powerful institutions on Earth.

But this is where we enter the Twlight Zone with regards to you zone because, based on our past and present discussions, you're asserting a few uber powerful Jews (who have a pact with the devil to rule the earth) took over every nation's central banking system. Is this really your assertion?

This Jew conspiracy of yours aside, here's the nations that owe money to the IMF (retrieved from The Guardian):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...EpqbWJXX0Rpakd5QWRsdV9ENUE5OEE&hl=en_US#gid=0

As you clearly see, few in the industrialized world owe the IMF anything whatsoever. All of Asia, almost all of Europe, Russia, the U.S., Canada, etc... owe them NOTHING. They are sovereign nations NOT indebted to the IMF and therefore not bound by any IMF SAPs or policies over their economies. And only member contribute a little something to the IMF fund each year which is where the IMF gets the money they loaned out to the nations on this list.

What I'm curious about zone is how does the IMF control the central banking systems of nations that owe them nothing and are therefore NOT bound to the IMF's SAPs, loan policies, etc...

Obviously, they do leverage control over the economies of nations indepted to them but as you can see from the list that's almost entirely the third world. I do agree with you the IMF's SAPs and policies are hurting the Third World in numerous ways (we don't need to go into them all because we're in agreement on that).

They do not control the central banking systems of nations not indebted to them zone and only indirectly in a limited way for those that are BUT the IMF has suffered scope creep and dramatically veered away from their original purpose over time and that's why the IMF should either be replaced outright with a purely advisory new organization or undergo serious reform correcting the scope creep that has occurred and now resulting in undesirable consequences.

One example would be the IMF "think tanks" that come up with destructive ideas like the Special Drawing Rights (SDR).

Unfortunately, it's going in the other direction. The G-20 summit made the mistake in 2009 of giving the IMF a role in overseeing individual countries' efforts to revive the global economy and that's why you're seeing this article. They need their wings clipped.

What you see as a few Jews ruling the central banks of every country on earth for the devil through the IMF (which is nonsense) I see as nations mismanaging their political systems, trade, economic, banking, and financial sectors badly and then looking for someone else to bail them out which has, because of the way in which it was done, resulted in a creep of scope for organizations like the IMF.

AoK.
the IMF and Bank of International Settlements/World Bank are the collection agencies for the nations who were deliberatley bankrupted by the central banking systems each was duped into accepting. they expand and contract the money supply; cause recessions and booms at will. they always have.

all the national (central) banking systems (cartels) are one giant international 'bank' (mafia) operation, looting every nation.

when the nation can't repay its debt, the thugs are called in with an agreement.
that would be your IMF/BIS.

the agreement is basically a horsehead in the bed.

since you (i.e - USA) can not repay your debt....which you foolishly incurred by borrowing 'money' from we bankers (money that doesn't exist and that we never had) at compound interest (hint - this was your first clue the plan was that you never be able to repay)......we have to make other arrangements.

that would include you complying with every demand we make in this IMF/BIS deal (more debt; abortions; big-agri; our trade demands; your infrastructure; slave wages; death panels; immigration policies...etc etc)

it's RICO on steroids.

real simple. eventually all the gold and assets end up owned by the PRIVATELY OWNED IMF.

same guys who own the Fed.

 

[zone]

deleted all your references to jew this jew that.....looking for substance:

they transformed from a builder organization to a global loan shark exerting enormous leverage over the economies of about 60 countries.

got anything else?

why don't you like the SDRs?
too close to home?

i doubt we'd agree on why and how they hurt '3rd world' nations.
you don't even know why 3rd world nations are 3rd world.

what's going to happen to you when the USA no longer has any money to 'deposit' into the IMF for it's loansharking op?
oh that's right. you just keep printing it....


this convos over.
you can apologize 6 months from now when you're studied up.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'm under the impression the global Jew conspiracy is your belief system and worldview zone that colors every picture you see. Am I wrong? I'm not telling you that's what you believe. You've TOLD me that in the past. If it's not true, then just say so and I'll drop it (unless you begin to invoke it again).

Now you're asking me if I "got anything else." Sure, there's a lot to talk about. What would you like to discuss?

SDRs are "think tank" one world denomination idea that's not going to materialize via the IMF due to the strong resistance against such an idea by industrialized nations that realize they would be denuded overnight with their wealth reallocated to the third world. Powerful nations like the U.S. have veto power in the IMF meaning they just say no and the idea's dead. But this concept of SDRs the IMF came up with are 100% on the gold standard like you and the author of Jekyll Island want the world to be on.

The rest of your post is mostly just ad hominem. If member nations stopped contributing to the IMF, then it would assume an advisory only role as it would have no money to lend. The exception, of course, would be those nations currently in debt to the IMF until they're clear.

The U.S. is in a serious stagflationary environment brought about for the reasons I already stated. It CAN be fixed but we have to go backwards to do it.

deleted all your references to jew this jew that.....looking for substance:



got anything else?

why don't you like the SDRs?
too close to home?

i doubt we'd agree on why and how they hurt '3rd world' nations.
you don't even know why 3rd world nations are 3rd world.

what's going to happen to you when the USA no longer has any money to 'deposit' into the IMF for it's loansharking op?
oh that's right. you just keep printing it....


this convos over.
you can apologize 6 months from now when you're studied up.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"Christian"UK13, what an ugly thing to say. Sharing my qualifications helps establish that I have competency in the topic under discussion and that's why I shared them. Somehow, in your mind, you wrongly interpreted that as boasting and then instead of asking me if it was... publicly falsely accused me of it. That's you sinning against me: nothing more.

If sharing my qualifications threatens your ego, then you should seek counseling to help you resolve that personal problem of yours. That's not an accusation by the way. I'm not engaging in your bad behavior.

I've been talking with zone for a long time and she keeps mentioning this master Jewish conspiracy theory. So, I'm engaging her on the topic since it's where she's coming from on this topic... that would be the one under discussion.

Since it's relevant, I'll continue to discuss it until it no longer is. That has NOTHING to do with you; however, unless you share it. Then I'll be happy to take that up with you because I believe it to be false. I don't believe a few Jews have a pact with the devil and run the whole world.

The point at which having an honest discussion became rude in your mind is where you made your second mistake. We don't stop honestly discussing topics because you aren't wise enough to ask what's going on but instead jump right in and start swinging for the fences at everyone whose posts you've misinterpreted. Use the ignore feature if you're going to continue acting like this. It's ignorant. Or, ask next time. That would show some wisdom and humility on your part. I'd really like to see what that looks like in you.

You can expect whatever you want. It doesn't matter to me. But since you've set the expectation, I expect the same from you. Which means you're going to have to rise rapidly to the challenge from where you're at for so far all I see is a guy with a lot of personal faults. Looking forward to stimulating discussion. Chow.

AOG, if you're as smart as you think you are...then why do you feel the need to boast of your qualifcations? Seriously dude who cares. Zone is clearly alluding to a conspiracy which you may or may not be smart enough to see save its actual eventuality. Please have respect for Zone and don't treat her like something under your shoes. You would not treat your sister, your mom, or other female relative this way, please adopt the same for this lady. In any event, you're just being an elitist jerk whom in my view is going out of his way to sound smart. My law tutors were some of the finest minds in the UK but they never even needed to use big words. If you make statements at least do it in a civil way. An MBA might mean so much to you, but to me it's just a qualification; if anything as the courts do also, I will expect far more from you than any other person who does not have your qualification. This is what we do in law, we apply appropriate and proportionate standards when considering representations submitted as evidence.

 

[zone]

I'm under the impression the global Jew conspiracy is your belief system and worldview zone that colors every picture you see. Am I wrong? I'm not telling you that's what you believe. You've TOLD me that in the past. If it's not true, then just say so and I'll drop it (unless you begin to invoke it again).

i'm accused of it constantly.
i don't care what you believe i believe, really

either refute things like 911, or don't.
if 911 was an inside job, your entire worldview needs a redux.
if it wasn't, you're good to go.

Now you're asking me if I "got anything else." Sure, there's a lot to talk about. What would you like to discuss?

hmmm...

SDRs are "think tank"....

what think tanks?
document please?
names if possible.

..... one world denomination idea that's not going to materialize via the IMF due to the strong resistance against such an idea by industrialized nations that realize they would be denuded overnight with their wealth reallocated to the third world.

that's not why it won't happen.

and anyway - this hasn't happened yet has it (industrialized nations that realize they would be denuded overnight with their wealth reallocated to the third world)?

Powerful nations like the U.S. have veto power in the IMF meaning they just say no and the idea's dead.

why would they say no?
they're getting what they want.
from Base OP 2

But this concept of SDRs the IMF came up with are 100% on the gold standard like you and the author of Jekyll Island want the world to be on.

where'd you get the idea i'm for a gold standard?
'parrently you don't read what i say - you just see jew conspiracy everywhere - even though i've never used that term.

Bill Still isn't for a gold standard either (that i know of).
cuz the big boyz got da gold.
didn't you know that?

The rest of your post is mostly just ad hominem.

ready to quit doing it then?

If member nations stopped contributing to the IMF

contributing?
it's a money laundering scheme.
the pittance that shows up as "contributed' is the other set of books.

then it would assume an advisory only role as it would have no money to lend.

why would anyone take advice from arch-criminals who set up the system?
they'll never run out of debt to lend. it's air.
presto.

The exception, of course, would be those nations currently in debt to the IMF until they're clear.

AoK...they don't get clear.
it might (cough) show up on the books that they are paying down their debts...that's not the point.
your own article and OP said what the point is - taking other nations' stuff and dictating their policies.

this is ridiculous. read the accounts of countries already savaged by them.
they're not some humanitarian unit that shows up when all else fails.
it's set up to end up with them.

this is how the global agendas (21; eugenics; de-industrialization on purpose, etc etc) are forced on otherwise reluctant nations. you hook them with insupportable debt, then dictate everything from there. you have no problem installing despots or anything else you need to do. you want the raw resources, and you want the cheap labor.

this is leading to Communitarianism.
it was always the plan - THE THIRD WAY.

it's a new feudalism; global fascism. we can all see that taking shape, right? or no.
incrementally...that's how they decided it had to happen, because you have an armed populace, who used to have and live by a Constitution.

the currency baskets and debt ceilings and all that rubbish is to convince people the system can't work and a new WAY is needed. the communist/capitalist dialectic was just means to an end.

it's the same group, AoK.

The U.S. is in a serious stagflationary environment brought about for the reasons I already stated. It CAN be fixed but we have to go backwards to do it.

no, not for the reasons you stated.
it's done precisely, and on purpose.

well, if you say it can be fixed, i'll watch for your proposal.
going backwards?

not gonna happen my friend.
talk about fantasy.

 

[zone]

If sharing my qualifications threatens your ego, then you should seek counseling to help you resolve that personal problem of yours. That's not an accusation by the way. I'm not engaging in your bad behavior.

oh please.

I've been talking with zone for a long time and she keeps mentioning this master Jewish conspiracy theory.

i've never said master jewish conspiracy theory.

who did 911 AoK?
you better figure that out first.

So, I'm engaging her on the topic since it's where she's coming from on this topic...

Liberal/Democrat Master Conspiracy king is on some moral high ground?
whatever. you're also a racist AoK...and you're not shy about it.
so please let's either talk straight or forget it.

you don't appear to know where i'm coming from.
you post a thread on THE IMF wants your money...then proceed to...what?
are you learning as you go? that's fine.

i really can't help it if you're still adhering to an accidental view of history.

Since it's relevant, I'll continue to discuss it until it no longer is. ........

how is it relevant?
you think it's tin foil stuff.

so just plaster everybody with a Democrat stciker and you can say whatever you like.
(btw - your posts are generally attack-mode...not with me for the most part, so far....but if we're going to have a discussion, let's drop the nonsense).

kath

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You say you're accused constantly of positing that a few Jews rule the world for the devil by controlling all the central banks and governments in the world. But you and your "best friend for life" told me that it was so once.

So if that's not what you believe, then what DO you believe? Who are "they." Be specific. Give me a list of names and organizations.

Rehashing the 911 debate isn't going to get us anywhere. I want to know exactly who the few people are that control all the nation's governments and central banks. What are their names?

Because every time I start qualifying your information it falls apart. This is a perfect example. The IMF does NOT control all governments and central banks in the world like you stated. That's a false assertion. The evidence is clear that their power is limited to the leverage they have over about 60 poor nations that owe them money and attempting to influence member nation's individual banking and finance policy much like many other organizations (e.g. think tanks, PACS, industry associations, etc...) do.

On a side note, so you're not for a gold standard. Thank you for making that much clear. What IS your replacement solution to what we have now? I've never seen you propose an economic solution for the U.S. and the world: ever. Do so now. What IS zone's solution?

I have NO idea what your solution is so I'm not even going to speculate. Tell me what it is.

i'm accused of it constantly.i don't care what you believe i believe, reallyeither refute things like 911, or don't.if 911 was an inside job, your entire worldview needs a redux. if it wasn't, you're good to go.hmmm...what think tanks?document please?names if possible.that's not why it won't happen.and anyway - this hasn't happened yet has it (industrialized nations that realize they would be denuded overnight with their wealth reallocated to the third world)?why would they say no?they're getting what they want.from Base OP 2where'd you get the idea i'm for a gold standard?'parrently you don't read what i say - you just see jew conspiracy everywhere - even though i've never used that term.Bill Still isn't for a gold standard either (that i know of).cuz the big boyz got da gold.didn't you know that?ready to quit doing it then?contributing? it's a money laundering scheme. the pittance that shows up as "contributed' is the other set of books.why would anyone take advice from arch-criminals who set up the system?they'll never run out of debt to lend. it's air. presto.AoK...they don't get clear.it might (cough) show up on the books that they are paying down their debts...that's not the point.your own article and OP said what the point is - taking other nations' stuff and dictating their policies.this is ridiculous. read the accounts of countries already savaged by them.they're not some humanitarian unit that shows up when all else fails.it's set up to end up with them.this is how the global agendas (21; eugenics; de-industrialization on purpose, etc etc) are forced on otherwise reluctant nations. you hook them with insupportable debt, then dictate everything from there. you have no problem installing despots or anything else you need to do. you want the raw resources, and you want the cheap labor.this is leading to Communitarianism.it was always the plan - THE THIRD WAY.it's a new feudalism; global fascism. we can all see that taking shape, right? or no.incrementally...that's how they decided it had to happen, because you have an armed populace, who used to have and live by a Constitution.the currency baskets and debt ceilings and all that rubbish is to convince people the system can't work and a new WAY is needed. the communist/capitalist dialectic was just means to an end.it's the same group, AoK.no, not for the reasons you stated.it's done precisely, and on purpose.well, if you say it can be fixed, i'll watch for your proposal.going backwards?not gonna happen my friend.talk about fantasy.

 

[zone]

You say you're accused constantly of positing that a few Jews rule the world for the devil by controlling all the central banks and governments in the world. But you and your "best friend for life" told me that it was so once.

got that in writing?
you never knew what he was talking about at the time.
don't bring him up again please.
my best friend is jewish. i might be offended by your remarks.

So if that's not what you believe, then what DO you believe? Who are "they." Be specific. Give me a list of names and organizations.

go read my posts.
all outside sources. names and organizations.
or read the leading papers. or something.

why don't you know what the organizations are?

Rehashing the 911 debate isn't going to get us anywhere.

okay.
you don't care who did it?
or you already have a theory?
have you made it known to me yet?

just tell me who you think did it - that'll help me a lot in discussion with you.

 

[zone]

Because every time I start qualifying your information it falls apart. This is a perfect example. The IMF does NOT control all governments and central banks in the world like you stated.

i said they are the collection agency for the banks.
which is one big bank.
the bank(s) control ALL NATIONS...the few who struggle(d) against them get sanctioned or DU'd.
the banks control your nation.
is this hard AoK?

you still don't know what the IMF is.
that was evident with your "The IMF wants your money" thread.

That's a false assertion. The evidence is clear that their power is limited to the leverage they have over about 60 poor nations that owe them money and attempting to influence member nation's individual banking and finance policy much like many other organizations (e.g. think tanks, PACS, industry associations, etc...) do.

LIMITED TO?
how on earth do they have permission let alone power, as a global authority to dictate to poor nations and "influence member nation's individual banking and finance policy"?

do you ever get around to telling me about those think tanks?
are they govt bodies? elected? transparent?
what are the names of the men on them?

is there a revolving door between the major corporations/the think tanks/ and govt?
do you think there might be a conflict of interest when Fed officials move to the White House and vice versa?
is the Federal Reserve Federal? or private?
who owns it?

let's move on to; or add into the mix the Bank of International Settlements.
tell me about it.

On a side note, so you're not for a gold standard. Thank you for making that much clear.

i've made it clear several times.
how come you don't know that if you're engaging me as though you know my positions and thoughts?

What IS your replacement solution to what we have now? I've never seen you propose an economic solution for the U.S. and the world: ever. Do so now. What IS zone's solution?

i've posted on what the US could do immediately.
as a Christian, i don't have a solution for the world....i have only the Gospel.

before i was a Christian i had ideas. they're no longer appropriate.

but this wasn't about my solution...it was about yours.
you were clear you had one.

I have NO idea what your solution is so I'm not even going to speculate. Tell me what it is.

i might. sometime.

tell me about those think tanks.
doing something about them is part of my solution.

 

[zone]

AoK:

who determined that an entity - A Corporation - is a BEING, with rights, human rights?

US courts?

do you know what this does for the corporation?

do you believe there are corrupt courts and judges in the US system (and other nations, esp: UK)?
do they collude with corporations?

is there absolute proof that the UK Judicial and Policing system is freemasonic?
would it be in the public's interest to have active high-level freemasons as sitting judges and police chiefs?

why was the arch-criminal and felon Bernard Kerik the New York City Police Commissioner, and almost became head of Homeland (Fatherland) Security?

do we know for certain Kerik is a felon?

i'm asking these simple questions about.....positions of power, on a local level (i.e: USA) where persons are known to be corrupt criminals (before they take their positions) working against the public interest (during and after holding office), yet remain in power (moving in and out of public sector into private)...and receive either no investigation; little to no punishment; or presidential pardons....because it would be helpful to me to see if you believe there is deep systemic corruption - with careful criminal planning and manouvering (conspiracy to commit crimes) - at the highest levels.

...or, if you believe we just go from day to day reacting to events and doing the best we can.

if you can just address this idea briefly, it'll help me understand how you reach your conclusions.
and why you seem to believe official narratives so often.

okay. thanks.

 

[zone]

at some point, as well, AoK, we'll have to address the Media.
we would need to know if the Media serves the public through honest reporting and investigation.

what is meant by the Media being a Fourth (or 5th) Column?

is it important to know whether or not the Media has a legal mandate to tell the truth?
does it? did it ever?

what do the courts say?

should we make decisions based on what the Media reports?
do we have absolute proof of Media deception and collusion with forces working against the public interest?

....


we'd also want to look at the Academic field.
is the education system in the US working for the advancement of the nation? or against it?
can we know for certain, by reading the material of leaders in the field (now and historically) - that they are working against american interests (here i will assume American Historical/Traditional conservative values and hope you understand the short-hand...it's basically your political position)?

 

[ChristianUk13]

"...the original purpose of the IMF, explained to you that it was an organization that did a great deal of good in post WWII reconstruction, and then stated that it had rapidly changed at the end of the Cold War to an organization in need of either replacement or dramatic reform..."

The bible says the enemy never appears as the child of light, why, well because something morally evil will be obvious and brought to the world's attention immediately which on such alert will be stopped in its tracks. The IMF et al, in my view, were, have been, intended to be, paracitical organisations to manipulate countries by taking their sovereignty by whichever means necessary. Formally, albeit by the countries subject to them, the IMF is held even by the world's media as the economic guardians, apparently mere supervisors of world economies. However its modis operandi is clearly to take control of countries and run them as though they were businesses, with people as human capital. It's like a school bully waiting to prey on someone who looks vulnerable. A Council of Foreign Relations publication relating to energy (oil), amongst other things, opined that Mr Hussein of Iraq was using oil as a weapon hence the US president is required to take action down the challenging road ahead. The date of this said publication was April 2001, 5 months before the 9/ 11 towers et al attacks. I will say that it is unlikely that the USA could have had licence to bomb Iraq save the so-called terrorist destruction on US soil. No country has the right to seize another or its assets unless the first does something wrong. In this way it is similar to bankruptcy law for businesses or individuals. In this case Iraq had done something wrong Saddam was using Iraq's oil as a weapon by not allowing the US or its other mates to benefit from its, at this time, state-run oil companies contractual freedom. In contract, a country has the right to determine the price of its product, but if the offeree (USA) chooses not to accept the offeror's (Iraq) offer then there can be no contract. Fine, no agreement means we'll find another way, bomb them and take control of it, in the process paying what we want to. The excuse 'Iraq won't let our companies benefit from its oil' to the US electorate won't work. Ahh, what about human rights and democracy, well for 40 odd years Saddam has been a tyrant. Interestingly, Hussein was a trained attorney - he was a very clever man. I remember his words whilst paraded before the world's media 'you think i am bad, but your prefer the devil you know.' He was of course inferring to the Western countries which were policing him under rules that they would not subject themselves to.

Furthermore, of said Cfr document its signaturees were oil CEOs from the North American Union (ie USA, Mexico, Canada countries). One signaturee was especially noteworthy, a former chief IMF economist. Note the word 'former,' well a current position associated with the IMF would have no doubt been a conflict of interest. In that scenario an IMF economist whose raison de'tre is to capitalise on countries using them as estate/ assets is a problem where he is already minded towards the benefit of oil rich Iraq albeit at some point in the future. So, the power houses change the job title and all is well again within the confines of democracy. There is much literature on 'going in one door and coming out another' in a completely different guise. Another difficulty, as I earlier stated in a related thread, is that the IMF have collectively more legal jurisdiction than all the countries subject to them altogether. This means the IMF can benefit from an African dictator's laws quite legally albeit the consequence is subjecting this country and citizens to something deplorable. Now, are these IMF entities so benevolent? Stop being so middle-class AOG and use lateral thinking skills to see what is really going on.

"....Furthermore, you continue to make false assertions about the topic itself."

On the contrary, i think MR is more aware than you are, AOG.

"At this point, you're a liar launching personal attacks. That makes you a troll. For that reason, I am putting you on ignore and reporting you."

This is the problem when we challenge people, especially one who self professes to have 4 degree including a straight A grade MBA but concedes 3 or more technical disciplines. He or she resorts to emotional responses which deviates from the central theme of the debate. I could bore you about reverse psychology but I choose not to. I will report you, you say. When writing MBA assignments, could you get away with saying 'I don't like what you're stating, I will report you. No - you would challenge the representations made. Qualifications mean nothing to me unless the educated person has sound reasoning ability, but i prefer them to think out of the box.

AOG, on a final point, have you noticed the way enties which have been caught out always use these statements. 'I was acting on the best available evidence at the time and believed I was acting in my countries interest albeit with hindsight I would have done things much differently.' What about, 'lessons to learn?' 'We have lessons to learn...our systems were complicated and some mistakes were apparently made, we will earn from this.' Reform? you say. What is it? It is saying you caught us out and we concede although we benefitted much we have been forced to change. But we will not allow you to stop us, we're smarter than that. We will be smarter next time and you won't catch us. Come on, AOG it is like watching a parady. It is likening to a theatre and the actors playing parts very well.

 

[ChristianUk13]

"The IMF was originally designed to assist with reconstruction after WWII, promote international economic cooperation, and provide its member countries with short term loans so they could trade with other countries. That's it. There was nothing else. They were a positive force and did a great job at post-WWII reconstruction for years."

I am a factory worker looking for work AOG - i don't really have the time to deal with your naivety. See what I did, i made a similar assertion to you but my excuse was different to 'having friends around.' The difference is I said I am an unemployed blue collar worker to your middle-class employ. Whether I am or not is irrelevant. My main point herein is don't patronise. Make representations by all means but don't allude that you're the expert. I note that the broad theme of this debate is centred around Conspiracy theory and corruption, it is my view you are not an expert in either subject save an educated man broadly in economics and business.

Then it all changed. It really began with the oil crisis of the 1970s but not until the crisis of the late 1980's and the end of the Cold War in which the IMF began to assume the role of bailing out countries that were experiencing financial crisis (largely due to currency speculation but also Soviet sattelites [or satellites?] experiencing collapse) with loan packages loaded with structural adjustment policies (SAPs) did they become what they are today. Their role changed and they transformed from a builder organization to a global loan shark exerting enormous leverage over the economies of about 60 countries.

Well, OAG, World War Two presented great opportunities to control countries as never before albeit with the apparently democratic illusion. The United Nations created a global police system which to this day affects this entire world and its systems to a large extent. A subsidiary of the UN is the European Union and other yet to be formed Unions. The EU has around 29 countries subject to its tenticles which siphens its sovereignty very slowly. Softly, softly catchy monkey.' As Weber would say, the UN is a bureaucratic entity plaguing the world with an unseen power, having various guises albeit its the system which will likely be the Executive authority to enforce a world government with unprecedented evil. Read Revelation and Matthew. We don't need other references as these books forecast a 'big brother' model. It takes time though as the bad guy has to disarm his enemy first.

These countries have to follow the IMF's policies and SAPs after becoming indepted to the IMF. Thus, the IMF decides how much debtor nations can spend on education, health care, environmental protection, etc... and this is how they became one of the most powerful institutions on Earth.

Yes this is true to an extent alas only where the countries are subject to owed debt. Education, welfare program are the countries real assets. However, the countries can still choose to disagree with the IMF although these conditioned loans will at that point stop. It is better that the countries are not subject the IMF as the outcome has proven to be far worse in practise.

But this is where we enter the Twlight Zone with regards to you zone because, based on our past and present discussions, you're asserting a few uber powerful Jews (who have a pact with the devil to rule the earth) took over every nation's central banking system. Is this really your assertion?

Well the Pentagon speaks for itself about the Zionist link.

This Jew conspiracy of yours aside, here's the nations that owe money to the IMF (retrieved from The Guardian):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...EpqbWJXX0Rpakd5QWRsdV9ENUE5OEE&hl=en_US#gid=0

As you clearly see, few in the industrialized world owe the IMF anything whatsoever. All of Asia, almost all of Europe, Russia, the U.S., Canada, etc... owe them NOTHING. They are sovereign nations NOT indebted to the IMF and therefore not bound by any IMF SAPs or policies over their economies. And only member contribute a little something to the IMF fund each year which is where the IMF gets the money they loaned out to the nations on this list.

AOG, the US virtually runs the IMF. For some reason I can't think why they too would be subject to them, can you? The UN is the main entity - the EU and IMF are the subsidiary competencies. IMF relates to debted countries largely. EU relates to debt countries subject to its authority. However, the IMF subject the Uk to its powers back in the 1970s, which they benefitted from a conservative government to do their work for them. BUT the bankers and businesses are the movers n shakers in all reality. It is an ingenuis system, extremely sophisticated to have derived purely by chance. What are the odds that this matrix of powers and autonomy could derive just from a second world war. However, a second world war is quite a good pretext for such a neferious system. The standard is the reasonable world police system. The more powerful and anti-democratic this machine works in practise the stronger the likelihood of it being used for nefarious activity. It is too organised!!! Tooo powerful.... In my view many powerful minds have been working on this system for many many years, passing it from father to son and down the generations.

What I'm curious about zone is how does the IMF control the central banking systems of nations that owe them nothing and are therefore NOT bound to the IMF's SAPs, loan policies, etc...

Obviously, they do leverage control over the economies of nations indepted to them but as you can see from the list that's almost entirely the third world. I do agree with you the IMF's SAPs and policies are hurting the Third World in numerous ways (we don't need to go into them all because we're in agreement on that).

No the World Bank which too is a subsidiary of the UN like the IMF is the entity for hurting the developing countries. Developing countries are also defined as initally developed countries which are later bombed especially by the Westen war machines. How much do wars cost....so what is the costs versus benefits analysis? Benefit and detriment to whom?

They do not control the central banking systems of nations not indebted to them zone and only indirectly in a limited way for those that are BUT the IMF has suffered scope creep and dramatically veered away from their original purpose over time and that's why the IMF should either be replaced outright with a purely advisory new organization or undergo serious reform correcting the scope creep that has occurred and now resulting in undesirable consequences.

One example would be the IMF "think tanks" that come up with destructive ideas like the Special Drawing Rights (SDR).

Unfortunately, it's going in the other direction. The G-20 summit made the mistake in 2009 of giving the IMF a role in overseeing individual countries' efforts to revive the global economy and that's why you're seeing this article. They need their wings clipped. Mistake, really....hmmm back to special ed class. They need their wing clipped? On the contrary they need deconstructing in my view. You discipline a naught child by smacking his butt. For an IMF power you have to take away its root cause not its branches.

What you see as a few Jews ruling the central banks of every country on earth for the devil through the IMF (which is nonsense) I see as nations mismanaging their political systems, trade, economic, banking, and financial sectors badly and then looking for someone else to bail them out which has, because of the way in which it was done, resulted in a creep of scope for organizations like the IMF."

OAG - you're looking at the big trees without seeing all the trees in the entire woods (glade?). Mis-managing... you employ such euphemistic terminology. The said entities are destroying nations and taking their sovereighnty notwithstanding seizing their assets. Define reign..it means to control. Did you say you got an A grade in an MBA? Do you think you would have got an A grade on a master's conspiracy degree if universities offered them? AOG, you live in, and are educated in terms of your MBA in, the USA. Do you think the IMF would have got a positive press? Can you think why it the entity is put into a good light?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Post after post of nonsense mixed in with some truth all disjointed and strung out over pages. It's either deliberate or your thinking is that disjointed. Either way, it's unacceptable. No coherent, competent presentation evidenced by scholarly sources. Just a lot of blather with a few nuggets tossed in to "prove" that which isn't even true.

Simple minded people think like this: The UN rules all governments in the world. The IMF rules all central banking for all nations in the world. Etc... FALSE. Not currently they don't.

What you have are nations formed into blocs of power that compete with each other to progress various agendas which contradict each other. Sometimes compromise occurs and sometimes it doesn't. Some of them want what you fear and others certainly do not. There is tension and struggle and scope creep.

I wish it were all black or all white. It would be so easy then. But it's not. It's grey. You call it what it isn't (e.g. all black) and I call it what it is (e.g. grey).

You say the IMF controls the central banks of the nations of the world. I've shown you that currently they certainly do not. And what do I get in return, you invoke 911 to "prove" the IMF controls the world's central banks. Ridiculous.

I might as well go play a video game. It makes more sense than pages and pages of fool's gold with a few nuggets thrown in to prove it's a gold mine. LOL.

But that's where you're at intellectually and the same reason you turn on me and accuse me of working for the government in some kind of a uber secret NSA conspiracy ROFL! I WISH I had that paycheck.

No. The only government job I've ever held in my entire life was one tour in the military. That's all. But I understand, you NEED a conspiracy even for that to help you make sense out of the world because you're simple people that think in terms of black and white instead of as they are in reality.

Like I said, it's grey. There actually are bad actors and selfish elitists. There actually are global organizations growing in power exceeding their desirable scopes. There actually are forty-seven public corporations at the heart of most of the industrialized world's transactions (though there is heavy turnover at the top within about forty two of them).

We must all be vigilant and constantly work for reform: especially in these times when reform is desperately needed and very desirable to get much better results like we once did but no longer do.

And that reform can mean the dissolution of various bodies. BUT, and I've not seen the slightest evidence that you're smart enough to understand this, the need for good communications is of paramount importance between nations to work toward avoiding serious conflict.

If the past is any indication, your brains will take that last statement and put it in black or white terms. You'll say, "there's already conflict!" Well yes, but we've managed to avoid a lot more conflict by communicating with each other.

For example, the space between WWI and WWII was only twenty-one years. The space between WWII and WWIII is at least sixty-eight years and growing by the day. Hopefully, it will never happen. But if you dissolve all means of nations communicating with each other: it may commence in short order.

I'm on your side which is really our side: all of ours. But you're not smart enough to figure that out either. There can only be two sides in the mind of simple minded people: us versus them. EOM.

 

[wisebeardman]

if they want my wealth.. they wont be getting much, I might be able to scrape up a penny or two for them but that would be about it..

kinda hard for them to take something from me I don't have.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

if they want my wealth.. they wont be getting much, I might be able to scrape up a penny or two for them but that would be about it..

kinda hard for them to take something from me I don't have.

They want your life and soul. They're hoping you may sell these to them, to help them pay their imaginary debt.