Why does the Law cause contention among professing Christians?
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Just before that Wonder in heaven, in Revelation 11 John is given a reed like rod to measure the temple of God...but he commanded John *not* to measure the outer court because that's given to the gentiles to trample on.
Reed to measure = A measuring stick
...A ruler - sometimes called a line gauge or rule; to standardize straight lines (Isaiah 40:4; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:3 "make the path straight")
Rule N. - one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct.
Rule V. - to make parallel lines; exercise ultimate power or authority over.
God told John to apply the rule to the temple of God to make sure they "measure up", but don't worry about the gentiles. Now the Measuring Rod had the same use as the Plumb Line; it was a standard to make sure a foundation was perfectly leveled/straight.
A Plumb Line
And this is what we read in Zechariah 4:9-10
...And this is but a few verses AFTER the description of the Olive Trees and Lamp stand (verses 1-4)...SIMILAR to the image given in Revelation 11:4: Olive Trees and Lamp stands
Measuring Rod; Plumb line (Law); The Foundation (Christ); Witnesses...THEN we have the Dragon making war with those who keep The Law of God AND Testimony of Christ in the end time in Revelation 12. So I think the message is loud and clear that both are required.
Reed to measure = A measuring stick
...A ruler - sometimes called a line gauge or rule; to standardize straight lines (Isaiah 40:4; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:3 "make the path straight")
Rule N. - one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct.
Rule V. - to make parallel lines; exercise ultimate power or authority over.
God told John to apply the rule to the temple of God to make sure they "measure up", but don't worry about the gentiles. Now the Measuring Rod had the same use as the Plumb Line; it was a standard to make sure a foundation was perfectly leveled/straight.
A Plumb Line
And this is what we read in Zechariah 4:9-10
...And this is but a few verses AFTER the description of the Olive Trees and Lamp stand (verses 1-4)...SIMILAR to the image given in Revelation 11:4: Olive Trees and Lamp stands
Measuring Rod; Plumb line (Law); The Foundation (Christ); Witnesses...THEN we have the Dragon making war with those who keep The Law of God AND Testimony of Christ in the end time in Revelation 12. So I think the message is loud and clear that both are required.
Both are required:
Testimony of Christ
Law of GOD
Testimony of Christ
If you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” ...
Law of GOD
and believe in your heart that God raised him out of the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes into righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses into salvation. Romans 10:9-10
Keeping ears open to people who preach and teach the Gospel, with GOD as the very teacher and there to say, TAKE THIS, AND REMOVE THAT is just awesome.
What cause tension is Understanding, and impatience and well, contention on its own is NOT a fruit of the Holy Spirit so you see how much confusion that can cause in the Body of Christ.
The Law can be perfectly understood, and it can not be denied as something to be learnt, ""having been was done in the body, now as spiritual beings we fulfill in the spirit"".
What i think is
i) we teach things that we do not Fully understand, or atleast know the VERY essentials of it
2) we can actually argue on a point that we are both defending but due to how we explain things and how we perceive things differs.
So i say, LISTEN TO GOD. HE guides, we might not be good hearers, and if we see that we have not truly listened.
When we read story books, there is a title, plan and theme. When we read particular particular chapters and each chapter can carry its own message but WITH ONE OVERALL THEME, if we look at every doctrine in relation to the overall theme that is "GODS PLAN TO SAVE MANKIND" "THE SALVATION OF MANKIND, Founded by the FATHER, Words by JESUS CHRIST, and Inspired by the Holy Ghost", and those who given their lives to Jesus Christ have them both abiding in them, we would not fight.
Every book in the bible carries its own message, and purpose. And NONE can be discarded, but what differs is understanding, and we gain Scriptural understanding from the HOLY GHOST, so if there is contention one reason could be, that one if not both are not LEARNING from the Holy Spirit. but could have made THEIR thoughts as conclusions or listened to the devil.
As Jesus said, THE HOLY SPIRIT will lead you to all truth.
What cause tension is Understanding, and impatience and well, contention on its own is NOT a fruit of the Holy Spirit so you see how much confusion that can cause in the Body of Christ.
The Law can be perfectly understood, and it can not be denied as something to be learnt, ""having been was done in the body, now as spiritual beings we fulfill in the spirit"".
What i think is
i) we teach things that we do not Fully understand, or atleast know the VERY essentials of it
2) we can actually argue on a point that we are both defending but due to how we explain things and how we perceive things differs.
So i say, LISTEN TO GOD. HE guides, we might not be good hearers, and if we see that we have not truly listened.
When we read story books, there is a title, plan and theme. When we read particular particular chapters and each chapter can carry its own message but WITH ONE OVERALL THEME, if we look at every doctrine in relation to the overall theme that is "GODS PLAN TO SAVE MANKIND" "THE SALVATION OF MANKIND, Founded by the FATHER, Words by JESUS CHRIST, and Inspired by the Holy Ghost", and those who given their lives to Jesus Christ have them both abiding in them, we would not fight.
Every book in the bible carries its own message, and purpose. And NONE can be discarded, but what differs is understanding, and we gain Scriptural understanding from the HOLY GHOST, so if there is contention one reason could be, that one if not both are not LEARNING from the Holy Spirit. but could have made THEIR thoughts as conclusions or listened to the devil.
As Jesus said, THE HOLY SPIRIT will lead you to all truth.
Love Yahweh with all your heart, soul and mind. Hear Him. He shows us the Way in Yeshua beginning in Genesis to the Amen of Revelation. Hear Him and obey Him. We have the Example of what to obey and what conduct we must attempt in Yeshua. Do not ignore the Father when He instructs us in good and moral issues.
L
I'm glad you brought this up, as my husband and I were speaking of it just yesterday.
In absolutely no way am I attempting to convert Torah keepers.
I'm only trying, in my feeble way, to share the great and glorious Gospel of Christ Jesus.
I've hesitated to share this, but here goes.
We have old friends from church who became Torah keepers...at first.
They are good and dear friends with whom we raised our children, and we visited each other often after they moved away.
They have in the years that have passed changed their names and converted to Judaism.
I find that immeasurably sad.
I don't mean to apply that to anyone here, or imply their end will be the same.
But I see it as a sort of warning. The husband has a huge website that I guess is pretty popular.
I hope it's okay for me to point out you don't seem to reply to posters who agree with you
with rebukes and warnings about causing contention.
But it's entirely possible I haven't read everything you've ever written. (haha)
I don't mean to create strife. I do realize I will convert no one.
Proverbs is replete with warnings about strife and quarreling.
The NT also has warnings for me, and I try to bear them in mind.
(2 Tim 2:23-25; Jas 3:14-18; Jas 4:1; 1 Tim 1:5-7; Rom 14:19; etc.)
I don't think that in trying to see someone else's heart we should ignore false misrepresentations of the Word of God, though.
But I do agree the fruit of the Holy Spirit should be evident, and if I have not done that, I am sorry.
In what I hope is my last so personal post,
ellie
In absolutely no way am I attempting to convert Torah keepers.
I'm only trying, in my feeble way, to share the great and glorious Gospel of Christ Jesus.
I've hesitated to share this, but here goes.
We have old friends from church who became Torah keepers...at first.
They are good and dear friends with whom we raised our children, and we visited each other often after they moved away.
They have in the years that have passed changed their names and converted to Judaism.
I find that immeasurably sad.
I don't mean to apply that to anyone here, or imply their end will be the same.
But I see it as a sort of warning. The husband has a huge website that I guess is pretty popular.
I hope it's okay for me to point out you don't seem to reply to posters who agree with you
with rebukes and warnings about causing contention.
But it's entirely possible I haven't read everything you've ever written. (haha)
I don't mean to create strife. I do realize I will convert no one.
Proverbs is replete with warnings about strife and quarreling.
The NT also has warnings for me, and I try to bear them in mind.
(2 Tim 2:23-25; Jas 3:14-18; Jas 4:1; 1 Tim 1:5-7; Rom 14:19; etc.)
I don't think that in trying to see someone else's heart we should ignore false misrepresentations of the Word of God, though.
But I do agree the fruit of the Holy Spirit should be evident, and if I have not done that, I am sorry.
In what I hope is my last so personal post,
ellie
This post has been on my mind, and I wanted to respond to it.
It seems that when the truth of God's word is rejected, people will tend to go with what is already on their hearts.
Those who reject Christ and turn only to what appeals to them are in error. The bible makes this clear.
I've met a few who have done this too.
There's also an example of people walking away from Christ in John Ch 6. Many of the disciples went away and walked with Him no more. Why? Because of the hard sayings. What Christ taught didn't agree with what was on their hearts and they lacked faith. Sadly.
I've also met people who claim to have been members of different denominations who have walked away, because of the hardness of their hearts. I've heard all kinds of reasons for this.
I may be mistaken, but it seems that you are of the opinion that the law leads people away from Christ? I wanted to point out that it's always about a persons heart and faith to begin with. If there's lack of faith in God's word, then a person will do what's best in their own eyes.
The best that we can do is pray for those who walk away from the truth that is in Jesus and for the hardness of their hearts, that they will be turned back to the truth.
So does John Hagee...
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...and he's just getting started... -> John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran! - YouTube
[video=youtube;2Ec-kZGKnQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ec-kZGKnQ8[/video]
...and he's just getting started... -> John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran! - YouTube
I posted this yesterday on the thread called "can Satan read our minds and heart". Thought that this information would be profitable in this thread to identify how our adversary causes confusion, and deception.
Ezekiel 28:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Before describing the attributes of our adversary I MUST clarify that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) has all power. As you read the following, please keep this in mind, for it will be your comfort, and give you peace of mind. (Matthew 28:18-20)
Attributes of Satan/Lucifer how he uses his power after being cast out of heaven.
1.Sadius-Had the power (emphasize HAD) to maintain God’s creation but not to change the principles of the established cycles of perfection. (Ephesians 6:12)
2.Topaz-curiosity i.e. the instigation of evolution, extra terrestrial space ships, mysticism, UFOs and etc.
(Ephesians 4:14, 2 Peter 2:16)
3.Diamond-Repeats God’s Word in order to entice a person into disobedience.
(2 Corinthians 11:14-15, Luke 4:2-13)
4.Beryl-The power to interfere with a believers mission.
(1 Thessalonians 2:18)
5.Onyx-the understanding of the creation of the physical/natural in detail. If the law isn’t seen spiritually it is of no use.
(Matthew 16:2-4, Galatians 3:19, John 5:44-47, John 8:42-45)
6.Jasper-the power to entice with fleshly attractiveness.
(1 John 2:16-17)
7.Sapphire-the capability to instigate a desire, and planning in detail how to achieve it through manipulation.
(Isaiah 32:6-7) Churl-KJV-that act of withholding information. Our administration in Washington. This is serious and blatant to the true believer in Messiah Yeshua
8.Emerald-the capability to readjust (temporarily) the balance of the universe
(Revelation 13:6-14)
9.Carbuncle-has complete understanding of the 5 senses of the human being henceforth altering perceptions of our natural world by instructing in a distorted manner, defining those distortions as common sense decisions.
(Matthew 24:24)
Keeping in mind Matthew 28:18-20, Our Savior overrides these powers of evil for those that pursue His salvation in fear, prayer, and loving Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. There are 3 stones belonging to our Savior that Satan does NOT have.
10. Ligure- The power to redeem (Romans 3:21-26)
11. Agate- The power to separate in every detail (Hebrews 4:9-14)
12. Amethyst- The power to fulfill and lead (Matthew 5:17)
Loud and clear is our message to the world until we die (Joshua 24:15 and 16)
Ezekiel 28:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Before describing the attributes of our adversary I MUST clarify that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) has all power. As you read the following, please keep this in mind, for it will be your comfort, and give you peace of mind. (Matthew 28:18-20)
Attributes of Satan/Lucifer how he uses his power after being cast out of heaven.
1.Sadius-Had the power (emphasize HAD) to maintain God’s creation but not to change the principles of the established cycles of perfection. (Ephesians 6:12)
2.Topaz-curiosity i.e. the instigation of evolution, extra terrestrial space ships, mysticism, UFOs and etc.
(Ephesians 4:14, 2 Peter 2:16)
3.Diamond-Repeats God’s Word in order to entice a person into disobedience.
(2 Corinthians 11:14-15, Luke 4:2-13)
4.Beryl-The power to interfere with a believers mission.
(1 Thessalonians 2:18)
5.Onyx-the understanding of the creation of the physical/natural in detail. If the law isn’t seen spiritually it is of no use.
(Matthew 16:2-4, Galatians 3:19, John 5:44-47, John 8:42-45)
6.Jasper-the power to entice with fleshly attractiveness.
(1 John 2:16-17)
7.Sapphire-the capability to instigate a desire, and planning in detail how to achieve it through manipulation.
(Isaiah 32:6-7) Churl-KJV-that act of withholding information. Our administration in Washington. This is serious and blatant to the true believer in Messiah Yeshua
8.Emerald-the capability to readjust (temporarily) the balance of the universe
(Revelation 13:6-14)
9.Carbuncle-has complete understanding of the 5 senses of the human being henceforth altering perceptions of our natural world by instructing in a distorted manner, defining those distortions as common sense decisions.
(Matthew 24:24)
Keeping in mind Matthew 28:18-20, Our Savior overrides these powers of evil for those that pursue His salvation in fear, prayer, and loving Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. There are 3 stones belonging to our Savior that Satan does NOT have.
10. Ligure- The power to redeem (Romans 3:21-26)
11. Agate- The power to separate in every detail (Hebrews 4:9-14)
12. Amethyst- The power to fulfill and lead (Matthew 5:17)
Loud and clear is our message to the world until we die (Joshua 24:15 and 16)
in response to:
Ah, the distortion abounds! GOD'S WORD says: "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24 (NAS)
To repeat what has been posted before, people who revere the law and the Old Testament are NOT saying that we are saved by works! Also posted before: The biggest cause by far is that certain people can't understand (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between revering the entire Bible, even the Law given to Moses, and saying we need to abide by the law to be saved, and accusing others of trying to teach that. It is willful misinterpretation - and that is sin. Using the excuse that the law is all condemnation is just plain stupid.
Bottom line: Contention destroys edification of the body."
Now, if you can show me anywhere in this thread where anyone is saying we "obtain salvation by works", I will admit my mistake in overlooking it. If not, what was the point of such a comment if not to stir the pot and cause contention?
IF you find it please post the number of the post so we can all see.
Ah, the distortion abounds! GOD'S WORD says: "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24 (NAS)
To repeat what has been posted before, people who revere the law and the Old Testament are NOT saying that we are saved by works! Also posted before: The biggest cause by far is that certain people can't understand (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between revering the entire Bible, even the Law given to Moses, and saying we need to abide by the law to be saved, and accusing others of trying to teach that. It is willful misinterpretation - and that is sin. Using the excuse that the law is all condemnation is just plain stupid.
Bottom line: Contention destroys edification of the body."
Now, if you can show me anywhere in this thread where anyone is saying we "obtain salvation by works", I will admit my mistake in overlooking it. If not, what was the point of such a comment if not to stir the pot and cause contention?
Do works of law please GOD?
Also, what sense does it make that once the law has led one to Christ, for that person to revert back to the law for instruction on how to get to Christ? Christ is the end and the goal of the law.
Also, what sense does it make that once the law has led one to Christ, for that person to revert back to the law for instruction on how to get to Christ? Christ is the end and the goal of the law.
So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, Galatians 3:24-26
L
in response to:
Ah, the distortion abounds! GOD'S WORD says: "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24 (NAS)
To repeat what has been posted before, people who revere the law and the Old Testament are NOT saying that we are saved by works! Also posted before: The biggest cause by far is that certain people can't understand (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between revering the entire Bible, even the Law given to Moses, and saying we need to abide by the law to be saved, and accusing others of trying to teach that. It is willful misinterpretation - and that is sin. Using the excuse that the law is all condemnation is just plain stupid.
Bottom line: Contention destroys edification of the body."
Now, if you can show me anywhere in this thread where anyone is saying we "obtain salvation by works", I will admit my mistake in overlooking it. If not, what was the point of such a comment if not to stir the pot and cause contention?
IF you find it please post the number of the post so we can all see.
Ah, the distortion abounds! GOD'S WORD says: "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24 (NAS)
To repeat what has been posted before, people who revere the law and the Old Testament are NOT saying that we are saved by works! Also posted before: The biggest cause by far is that certain people can't understand (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between revering the entire Bible, even the Law given to Moses, and saying we need to abide by the law to be saved, and accusing others of trying to teach that. It is willful misinterpretation - and that is sin. Using the excuse that the law is all condemnation is just plain stupid.
Bottom line: Contention destroys edification of the body."
Now, if you can show me anywhere in this thread where anyone is saying we "obtain salvation by works", I will admit my mistake in overlooking it. If not, what was the point of such a comment if not to stir the pot and cause contention?
The point was that without Christ there's no hope at all because He is the way the truth and the life.
We've been talking mainly about studying the word of God. To think that God's word would lead a person away from Christ, that just baffles me. The scriptures from beginning to end are about HIM.
It's their own heart that leads them away.
Psalms 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
L
Interesting to do scriptural comparison with that verse.
KJV says this:
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
CJB says this:
James 2:8 If you truly attain the goal of Kingdom Torah, in conformity with the passage that says, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.
KJV says this:
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
CJB says this:
James 2:8 If you truly attain the goal of Kingdom Torah, in conformity with the passage that says, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.
E
yet the law lead the pharisees from Christ. and to self
It also leads many today away from Christ and to self.
When people put an emphasis on law. They look to self and how good they obey it,k This leads them from Christ (even if saved) because instead of worrying how good we are. we should be focused on those who need Christ, Those who god wants us to serve. and the body of fellow believers around us, Which is what we are supposed to be doing in the first place.
we have the law to keep us in line, but it should not be our focus.. Focusing on it is when we get ourselves in trouble. and our self righteousness starts to creep in and destroy us
It also leads many today away from Christ and to self.
When people put an emphasis on law. They look to self and how good they obey it,k This leads them from Christ (even if saved) because instead of worrying how good we are. we should be focused on those who need Christ, Those who god wants us to serve. and the body of fellow believers around us, Which is what we are supposed to be doing in the first place.
we have the law to keep us in line, but it should not be our focus.. Focusing on it is when we get ourselves in trouble. and our self righteousness starts to creep in and destroy us
How about a literal translation? No point in reading translations that add things that aren't in the original text like the CJB does.
However, if you are discharging [completing, executing, concluding] the regal law according to the scripture, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself', you are doing excellently. James 2:8
What the Bible doesn’t say
Psalm 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Because he is repulsed by the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he forget day and night.
Psalm 37:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]The mouth of the wicked speaketh works, and his tongue talketh of self-righteousness.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall mean anything.
Psalm 40:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, the Mosaic Law is not in my heart.
Psalm 119:163 (KJV)
[SUP]163 [/SUP]I hate and abhor lying: and thy law causes it.
Hebrews 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put a different law into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall ignore these commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called justified by faith in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called self-righteous in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 24:44 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be annulled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
What the Bible does say
John 12:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
Deuteronomy 18:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
2 Timothy 4:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The principles, and precepts of the Iron Rod
Psalm 89:30-32 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Isaiah 11:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 19:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Psalm 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Because he is repulsed by the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he forget day and night.
Psalm 37:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]The mouth of the wicked speaketh works, and his tongue talketh of self-righteousness.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall mean anything.
Psalm 40:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, the Mosaic Law is not in my heart.
Psalm 119:163 (KJV)
[SUP]163 [/SUP]I hate and abhor lying: and thy law causes it.
Hebrews 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put a different law into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall ignore these commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called justified by faith in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called self-righteous in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 24:44 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be annulled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
What the Bible does say
John 12:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
Deuteronomy 18:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
2 Timothy 4:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The principles, and precepts of the Iron Rod
Psalm 89:30-32 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Isaiah 11:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 19:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The Pharisees, much like many clergy personnel today, were teaching the traditions of man as commandment from Yahweh. The next time you read the gospel of Yeshua, pay attention to what laws He obeyed and which He ignored.
You already know He prefered mercy to sacrifice. You already know when the law dictated execution, He forgave. You already know when there was good to be done, it was allowed to do any day, even on the Sabbath. You already know He taught to obey the commandments of Yahweh. You already know He teaches He did not come to destroy the law, rather to complete it. You already know He teaches us to learn from Him because His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. You already know He teaches nothing by entering the body defiles it, making all foods clean. You already know He did not approve of killing, adultery, lust, idolatry, apostasy (the Pharisees), and so much more.
If you know all the above then you must know those who are truly children of the Heavenly Father listen to Him and obey Him. To say those who obey the laws of Yahweh are saying to obey all 600 and some odd laws is a lie because there are a multitude of the Laws written down by Moses which are not to be nor can be followed today,.
To teach the commandments of Our Father are not to be taught is contrary to our Lord's direct teaching, and you have not learned of Him if you think you can get by with saying all of Yahweh's commandments are not to be obeyed.
The childre of Yahweh love the Father, and because they love Him they hear and obey Him. It is natural for them
You already know He prefered mercy to sacrifice. You already know when the law dictated execution, He forgave. You already know when there was good to be done, it was allowed to do any day, even on the Sabbath. You already know He taught to obey the commandments of Yahweh. You already know He teaches He did not come to destroy the law, rather to complete it. You already know He teaches us to learn from Him because His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. You already know He teaches nothing by entering the body defiles it, making all foods clean. You already know He did not approve of killing, adultery, lust, idolatry, apostasy (the Pharisees), and so much more.
If you know all the above then you must know those who are truly children of the Heavenly Father listen to Him and obey Him. To say those who obey the laws of Yahweh are saying to obey all 600 and some odd laws is a lie because there are a multitude of the Laws written down by Moses which are not to be nor can be followed today,.
To teach the commandments of Our Father are not to be taught is contrary to our Lord's direct teaching, and you have not learned of Him if you think you can get by with saying all of Yahweh's commandments are not to be obeyed.
The childre of Yahweh love the Father, and because they love Him they hear and obey Him. It is natural for them