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I would definitely not say that it was "impossible" for God to speak to someone in any particular way that He chose; however, based on my understanding of the scriptures regarding "how God operates" - I would say that this is something that should be scrutinized very carefully and seriously - and not believed "lightly"...
I agree wit datI would definitely not say that it was "impossible" for God to speak to someone in any particular way that He chose; however, based on my understanding of the scriptures regarding "how God operates" - I would say that this is something that should be scrutinized very carefully and seriously - and not believed "lightly"...
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I use three adjectives when it comes to this point. There are times that I think God has told me something, there are times that I believe God has told me something, and tgere are times that I know God has told me something. I would not relay that message unless I "KNEW".
God has spoken through His Son.
everything He has said to men, He has said.
read it.
coming from a Pentecostal who claims direct revelation, your post is expected.
anyone claiming to speak for God or direct revelation from God is a false prophet.
there are no more prophets.
do what you want with it.
(see Strange Fire Conference...or innumerable threads on this matter).
i wouldn't DARE said He did.
i wouldn't DARE say He told ME this or that.
millions have no problem at all doing so.
read the revealed word to see what happens to false prophets if they don't repent (presuming they can).
He has spoken.
if you think He is still speaking (to you...which you do or you wouldn't be a Pentecostal), you're a prophet...and we should be listening to you. and writing down what you say and adding it to canon.
every Christian should know your name and have copies of your revealed information.
post it here please:
thanks.
of course the Word of God is made alive through He Who Authored it - The Holy Spirit.
no one that i know of has ever said otherwise.
God has spoken in His Word.
The Spirit will not direct anyone into their own hearts or minds for knowledge of the Lord, unless that heart or mind has been filled with His Word, which is recorded in the God-breathed scriptures.
i agree with what you posted, amen.
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there is no room there for new prophets claiming God speaks to them today...claims by babes in Christ who don't know anything about what he has already revealed make (more than) dubious claims about direct revelation. no way.
I believe God speaks to me. I have taken different routes to a destination - come to find out - I had avoided being in an accident due to listening to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. All revelation is not for EVERYONE nor should it be added to scripture - God speaks to each of us born again of His Spirit. He leads us through scripture and direct communication. Fellowship with God is a two way relationship -
Why is it considered that if God speaks to someone they are a prophet? If I have a tough decision to make, I go to God and discuss the situation with Him and ask Him for guidance - why wouldn't He do that? God is our Father and desires fellowship with his children - I talk to him - why wouldn't he talk to me?
Why is it considered that if God speaks to someone they are a prophet? If I have a tough decision to make, I go to God and discuss the situation with Him and ask Him for guidance - why wouldn't He do that? God is our Father and desires fellowship with his children - I talk to him - why wouldn't he talk to me?
Coming from a cessationist, your responce is typical.
What is it then that pastors & evangelists do?
Oh, OK, let me write a bunch of threads, & I can be right, too!
If I were YOU, I wouldn't either. Yet you state things & judge others like you are God's judge. What's the difference?
Genesis 9:12 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Genesis 9:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
Genesis 17:9 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Genesis 17:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
Genesis 17:19 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP]And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Genesis 20:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Genesis 21:12 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Genesis 35:1 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.
Genesis 35:10 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
Genesis 35:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
Exodus 3:14 (KJV) [SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Numbers 22:12 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed.
1 Kings 3:5 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP]In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.
1 Kings 3:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
1 Chronicles 14:14 (KJV) [SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore David enquired again of God; and God said unto him, Go not up after them; turn away from them, and come upon them over against the mulberry trees.
1 Chronicles 28:3 (KJV) [SUP]3 [/SUP]But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.
2 Chronicles 1:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said to Solomon, Because this was in thine heart, and thou hast not asked riches, wealth, or honour, nor the life of thine enemies, neither yet hast asked long life; but hast asked wisdom and knowledge for thyself, that thou mayest judge my people, over whom I have made thee king:
Hosea 1:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
Jonah 4:9 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
Luke 12:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
Genesis 8:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]And God spake unto Noah, saying,
Genesis 9:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
Genesis 31:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.
Genesis 35:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]And Jacob called the name of the place where God spake with him, Bethel.
Genesis 46:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.
Exodus 6:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
Exodus 20:1 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]And God spake all these words, saying,
Deuteronomy 1:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]The LORD our God spake unto us in Horeb, saying, Ye have dwelt long enough in this mount:
Joshua 23:14 (KJV) [SUP]14 [/SUP]And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.
Mark 12:26 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
John 9:29 (KJV) [SUP]29 [/SUP]We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.
Acts 7:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
Acts 27:25 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Hath in these last days spoken unto us (the church) by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [SUP]3 [/SUP]Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 12:3 (KJV) [SUP]3 [/SUP]Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
God is no longer speaking to His elect?
are you claiming you hear God speak to you audibly - you have direct conversations with Him?:
"Peaceful, this is Jesus....i heard your prayer about the job, and i think you should take the 2nd job."?
this is not about answered prayer or direction and instruction through the Scriptures.
it's not about trusting through prayer and receiving peace and confirmation when we have done according to His will.
Why would a dream or a vision "from God" not be considered to be "a word from God"...???
Oh I GET PLENTY of that, but I also get the WRITTEN WORD ON MY HEART and IN THE BIBLE, and also the SPOKEN WORD in my heart AND EARS... Hey God LOVES the FELLOWSHIP... FELLOWSHIP IS A TWO WAY STREET, not ONE WAY... NObody argues that visions and dreams are not God's Word... they are God's Word in 3D... and VERY REAL and VERY SCRIPTURAL...
You state that all prophecies should be listed in the canon. That is false teaching, & marks you as a false teacher for teaching this to gain status for yourself. There are multitudes of things referred to in the scriptures, but are NOT in the canon, including prophecies! This alone is proof enough that such teaching is false.
Yes, I am claiming that God speaks to me. I found myself out of work and of course I prayed for a job . . . I had three likely job opportunities lined up - great jobs BUT instead of waiting on God I took it upon myself and went to work @ Burger King (nothing against Burger King but for a 54 year old not so good) . . . anyway I hated it! I got two interviews - one with a real estate/title company . . . one with the city. When I went to the interview with the city - I knew I had the job. It's like a "subtle thought" . . . "don't go to the other interview - you will get this job". Again, I took it upon myself to go to the other interview, and they hired me - I hated it! Two days later the city called and hired me - I have been here 8 years and I love my job! Should have listened to God in the first place!
The above is just one example of how much better off I would have been if I had just listened and waited upon God.
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preach from the Word.
in it is the power of God.
not your fake words of knowledge and tongues.
you have....you're still wrong.
ALL OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES DELETED - DISHONESTY AND RECKLESS MISHANDLING...typical.
how long will you behave as though you haven't been shown the truth of this matter?
here's why OT references deleted - in case you've never read it:
Hebrews 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
NOW YOU'VE READ IT....no excuse.
He called and authorized apostles and disciples who were witnesses of His life and resurrection (why don't you know this yet?)...and they recorded their AUTHORIZED testimony.
the Book is Finished.
you're not in it, and you're not authorized to speak for God.
don't you actually read the bible? or is it a book of tricks for you to carry on as you do?:
The Parable of the Rich Fool:
^ that's Jesus Christ speaking....in a parable....^...taken from a proverb.
the jews knew it. do you?
see above.
more trickery by you.
AUTHORIZED APOSTLES AND WRITERS recounting authorized OT prophets.
and why are you quoting SCRIPTURE to prove God is speaking to YOU?
(He isn't, except through the scriptures).
21Since they had been without food for a long time, Paul stood up among them and said, “Men, you should have listened to me and not have set sail from Crete and incurred this injury and loss. 22Yet now I urge you to take heart, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. 23For this very night there stood before me an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I worship, 24and he said, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must stand before Caesar. And behold, God has granted you all those who sail with you.’ 25So take heart, men, for I have faith in God that it will be exactly as I [APOSTLE PAUL] have been told. 26But we must run aground on some island.”
are you claiming to be like Apostle Paul?
why didn't you quote the context?
oh....it doesn't work for you that way...does it Stephen?
what's THIS? ^^^
He has spoken to us by His Son; through His chosen; and by them, through the God-breathed Scriptures He ordained THEY RECORD.
you're not in them; you're not an apostle; you're not a prophet..and God is not speaking through you.
have you actually read that whole book?
written by CHOSEN AND AUTHORIZED EMPOWERED FROM HIGH PETER.
you weren't at pentecost; you didn't receive that power; you're not an apostle or a prophet; God is not speaking through you; you're not receiving new revelation.
it's evident you shouldn't even be a pastor, since a Pastor/Teacher needs to be able to RIGHTLY HANDLE the WORD OF GOD.
what's the point here?
more rubbish claims that cessationism denies the Holy Spirit indwells believers and affirms the Deity and Person of Christ?
you weren't at Corinth; you didn't receive those partial gifts.
God is not revealing NT doctrine and instruction outside what He already revealed through His AUTHORIZED WITNESSES.
I would definitely not say that it was "impossible" for God to speak to someone in any particular way that He chose; however, based on my understanding of the scriptures regarding "how God operates" - I would say that this is something that should be scrutinized very carefully and seriously - and not believed "lightly"...
yes.......and, case in point......God told me that this thread would end up one such as it has......
Revelation? Prophecy? Well, probably not, more like a "warning."
Benny Hinn claiming God speaks to him, or your claim God speaks to you is proof enough?
no dear, it is not.
to gain status for myself? most people DESPISE cessationism.
they love your stuff though.
And then there are the Christians who say to throw out all of the law and go by the HS, and what God tells us. Don't need to check that out with scripture, we are to be led by what God tells us, our minds are so pure and wonderful after we receive the Holy Spirit that anything that comes into that pure mind can be trusted.
"like a subtle thought" is not you claiming God is speaking to you audibly - in a one-on-one conversation.
i have no issue with your claim.
peace out.