Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Chrurch.

[JaumeJ]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

I have received the same doctrinal line about Yahweh, past tense. Also the investigating of Yahweh's power being manifested in gifts to His children have been said to be something of the past, as if our Father does not show His presence to those who know Him.

Over all there is the appearance of religion with the total denial of the power of Yahweh.

I have been used on various occasions, when Yeshua moved me for His service, and I can tell you, He is not one to be proved by unbelieving religious folks, nor is He to be tempted by somehow being coerced into providing proof of His gifts. People who seek such things first do not believe, and second have a deep seated resentment of the family in the Savior who know and have seen the gifts of His Holy Spirit manifested.

Of course there are charlatans, and I suppose these are the only examples these nonbelievers are shown, and that seems correct, right and just, since neither our Father nor we are some kind of traveling circus event.

Service ... funeral ... funeral service ... those words don't connect in your corner of the world? Must be an American idiom. I sugar coat it in hopes they somehow get the deeper meaning. I don't think they do.

Actually it's not one pastor; their membership is like less than 2 dozen. Synod would love to close them down, but their Montessori School is consistently rated as the best in the area. So they get traveling "guest" Pastors every month or 6. But they all sound the same, they talk about God in the past tense. Wonderful historians, all of them, but they haven't a clue as to what is actually happening outside their doors, in the streets, in the present tense. And I'm sorry, but you talk about someone in the past tense consistently enough, and I have to suspect that maybe you all believe that person has passed. It sure sounds like it.

Having said that; I will take communion with them, at our core foundation we do all confess that Jesus Christ is the sacrificed and risen Son of God, and on that alone let us sup with any man who proclaims the same. I'm not a regular, but I am known to the congregation, and the association goes back 2+ decades.

 

[zone]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

Service ... funeral ... funeral service ... those words don't connect in your corner of the world? Must be an American idiom. I sugar coat it in hopes they somehow get the deeper meaning. I don't think they do.

deeper meaning?
like claiming you're commanding the oceans and stuff?
God is telling you things directly?

we know y'all use your internal language about us poor have-nots.
missing out on da gifs.

once again: coincidentally:

NOVEMBER 01, 2013
Charismatic Two Tiered "Christianity"

Program segments:
Anatomy of Charismatic Two Tiered "Christianity" with examples from Pat Robertson, Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley
Fighting for the Faith

a former charismatic talks about his past experiences....and how the buzz is all about the mainline "funeral services", etc.. us poor simpletons.

Actually it's not one pastor; their membership is like less than 2 dozen. Synod would love to close them down, but their Montessori School is consistently rated as the best in the area. So they get traveling "guest" Pastors every month or 6. But they all sound the same, they talk about God in the past tense. Wonderful historians, all of them, but they haven't a clue as to what is actually happening outside their doors, in the streets, in the present tense. And I'm sorry, but you talk about someone in the past tense consistently enough, and I have to suspect that maybe you all believe that person has passed. It sure sounds like it.

is Jesus on the Cross today?
is His Resurrection happening every Sunday?

i dunno...maybe you have a bad church there.
but it sounds like you're not really interested in what Christ has done for us.

why do you go?

Having said that; I will take communion with them, at our core foundation we do all confess that Jesus Christ is the sacrificed and risen Son of God, and on that alone let us sup with any man who proclaims the same. I'm not a regular, but I am known to the congregation, and the association goes back 2+ decades.

but...thought you got the idea they thought God was dead.

 

[zone]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

Actually it's not one pastor; their membership is like less than 2 dozen.

so?

Synod would love to close them down

do you documentation that?

 

[RickyZ]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

deeper meaning?
like claiming you're commanding the oceans and stuff?
God is telling you things directly?

we know y'all use your internal language about us poor have-nots.
missing out on da gifs.

once again: coincidentally:

NOVEMBER 01, 2013
Charismatic Two Tiered "Christianity"

Program segments:
Anatomy of Charismatic Two Tiered "Christianity" with examples from Pat Robertson, Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley
Fighting for the Faith

a former charismatic talks about his past experiences....and how the buzz is all about the mainline "funeral services", etc.. us poor simpletons.



is Jesus on the Cross today?
is His Resurrection happening every Sunday?

i dunno...maybe you have a bad church there.
but it sounds like you're not really interested in what Christ has done for us.

why do you go?



but...thought you got the idea they thought God was dead.

so?



do you documentation that?

My wife is born and bred LCMS. And since she takes care of her invalid mother, who is a founding member of the congregation, that's where they go. I go with them on occasion to be one in Christ. The church itself is a big money loser, and sitting on valuable real estate the Synod would love to sell. It wasn't always LCMS, they had to sign away the building to become so, but some wise individual insisted on a clause allowing the existing congregation to use the building for as long as they wanted. Most of the existing congregation is old and poor, and even with the school the place is a money pit for the Synod. They started to evict them several years ago, but my wife dug into the old files and found the original contract, and I found in that the clause giving them use of the building.

My mother in law symbolizes everything that's wrong with the LCMS. Here's a woman who has literally spent every single day of her life in service to her church, and yet she is so deathly afraid of dying. Frightfully scared to non-death of it. And that is because even though her entire life she's believed in what the church tells her about God, she's never been shown one single shred of it being true or having any power. Just the opposite, she's been told repeatedly that such things are not for her. And so she believes, but doesn't know, and she will suffer as long and as hard as humanly possible in total fear of taking the step to meet the God she has strived to meet all her life. It's insanity if you ask me. A church imposed insanity.

The LCMS depowers otherwise good and faithful servants of the Lord. It doesn't affect their salvation (maybe), but it does affect their ability to produce faith, good works, and fruit according to the Spirit. Cessationalism is a lie of the devil, intended to thwart those very things. And it angers me to see otherwise good saints caught up in the lie. I pray that you be freed of it.

Matthew 13:58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

A church should teach faith, not exclusion.

 

[zone]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

My wife is born and bred LCMS. And since she takes care of her invalid mother, who is a founding member of the congregation, that's where they go. I go with them on occasion to be one in Christ. The church itself is a big money loser, and sitting on valuable real estate the Synod would love to sell. It wasn't always LCMS, they had to sign away the building to become so, but some wise individual insisted on a clause allowing the existing congregation to use the building for as long as they wanted. Most of the existing congregation is old and poor, and even with the school the place is a money pit for the Synod. They started to evict them several years ago, but my wife dug into the old files and found the original contract, and I found in that the clause giving them use of the building.

My mother in law symbolizes everything that's wrong with the LCMS. Here's a woman who has literally spent every single day of her life in service to her church, and yet she is so deathly afraid of dying. Frightfully scared to non-death of it. And that is because even though her entire life she's believed in what the church tells her about God, she's never been shown one single shred of it being true or having any power. Just the opposite, she's been told repeatedly that such things are not for her. And so she believes, but doesn't know, and she will suffer as long and as hard as humanly possible in total fear of taking the step to meet the God she has strived to meet all her life. It's insanity if you ask me. A church imposed insanity.

The LCMS depowers otherwise good and faithful servants of the Lord. It doesn't affect their salvation (maybe), but it does affect their ability to produce faith, good works, and fruit according to the Spirit. Cessationalism is a lie of the devil, intended to thwart those very things. And it angers me to see otherwise good saints caught up in the lie. I pray that you be freed of it.

Matthew 13:58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

A church should teach faith, not exclusion.

well i feel for your mother-in-law.

ALL the Lutherans i know are prepared for death and do not doubt their salvation.
perhaps you've convinced your-mother-in-law she doesn't have faith because God doesn't take time out to talk directly to her...or perhaps you have her convinced your faith commands the elements. perhaps you are responsible for undermining her faith.

in my opinion, that's exactly what's wrong with Pentecostal / Charismatic Movement - making simple believers doubt ... because they may be gullible enough to believe your tall tales. i certainly don't.

neither do i lack faith in Christ - He is the object my faith....not some dubious Krishna coffee break i laid claim to.

i'm putting you on ignore for awhile ricky.
i can't stand your theology.
you tried that with me (the elitism of your imagination = spirituality)...it didn't work.
it made me sad for you and everyone you lie to.
now i'm sad for your MIL.

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

well i feel for your mother-in-law.

ALL the Lutherans i know are prepared for death and do not doubt their salvation.
perhaps you've convinced your-mother-in-law she doesn't have faith because God doesn't take time out to talk directly to her...or perhaps you have her convinced your faith commands the elements. perhaps you are responsible for undermining her faith.

in my opinion, that's exactly what's wrong with Pentecostal / Charismatic Movement - making simple believers doubt ... because they may be gullible enough to believe your tall tales. i certainly don't.

neither do i lack faith in Christ - He is the object my faith....not some dubious Krishna coffee break i laid claim to.

i'm putting you on ignore for awhile ricky.
i can't stand your theology.
you tried that with me (the elitism of your imagination = spirituality)...it didn't work.
it made me sad for you and everyone you lie to.
now i'm sad for your MIL.

Awwww, ohzone, what are we 'doubting,' please, milady

By the way, I liked the words you used, 'in my opinion,' I pray, God blesses you when you speak in that tone, milady. Now, keep in mind, I pray, God keeps you, teaches you, when you begin to judge other denominations with your 'tone,' not to mention your words. I pray mercy,too Because, who are we kiddin', it's not that you don't get your denom judged by others, LOL, you do, you do, you do.

 

[zone]

Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

Awwww, ohzone, what are we 'doubting,' please, milady

By the way, I liked the words you used, 'in my opinion,' I pray, God blesses you when you speak in that tone, milady. Now, keep in mind, I pray, God keeps you, teaches you, when you begin to judge other denominations with your 'tone,' not to mention your words. I pray mercy,too Because, who are we kiddin', it's not that you don't get your denom judged by others, LOL, you do, you do, you do.

it's not about denoms green.
i can't help it that groups identify by certain names.
its good that we do - it makes it easier to decide...to seek out what the other believes.

i don't care about denom vs denom....it's what do say they about the BIBLE and The Lord, and in this case The Holy Spirit.




Assemblies of God Leader Acknowledges Some 'Strange Fire' Among Pentecostals, Charismatics
Dr. George O. Wood Issues Statement After John MacArthurs' Anti-Charismatic Conference

BY NICOLA MENZIE , CHRISTIAN POST REPORTER
October 29, 2013|8:39 am

Dr. George O. Wood, general superintendent of the Assemblies of God, which claims over 66 million Pentecostals worldwide, acknowledged in a letter addressing Pastor John MacArthur's Strange Fire conference that "there have been isolated aberrations of behavior and doctrine over the past century among those who self-identify as Pentecostal or charismatic."

Wood insisted, however, that "the movement as a whole has proved a vital force in world evangelization."

http://agchurches.org/Sitefiles/Default/RSS/AG.org TOP/Gen Supt/GOW_Strange_fire_statement.pdf

"there have been isolated aberrations of behavior and doctrine over the past century among those who self-identify as Pentecostal or charismatic."

can we know what he thinks are aberrations - particularly re: doctrine?

this is a house of cards, and it will not stand.

 

[GreenNnice]

ohzone: i don't care about denom vs denom....it's what do say they about the BIBLE and The Lord, and in this case The Holy Spirit.

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What are they saying, ohzone ?

 

[jimmydiggs]

ohzone: i don't care about denom vs denom....it's what do say they about the BIBLE and The Lord, and in this case The Holy Spirit.

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What are they saying, ohzone ?

The only denomination that isn't a bunch of Nazis is the one Greeny is in.

 

[cfultz3]

We're to put our trust in what Jesus has done outside of us on the cross and resurrection, and not put trust on some spiritual high we may feel inside.

When it says "spiritual high", does it include the "assurance" the Spirit gives to each that "we are the child of God"?

 

[cfultz3]

Do you really want to go there again Stephen or are you ever going to learn? You do the very same thing that you so like to point out of others and have been called out about and yet not once do you ever repent of it or apologize to those whom you have harm and yet you continue to have the gall to play the "You will know them by their fruits card". Yet you continue to go on and show those same rotten fruits.

I liked this post for what I had blackened

 

[SarahM777]

I liked this post for what I had blackened

It wouldn't be so bad but this is what passes for a leader in the church today.

 

[cfultz3]

It wouldn't be so bad but this is what passes for a leader in the church today.

Exactly, a pastor should not "do the very same thing" and never "repent of it or apologize" for it, seeing that it only "show those same rotten fruits".

 

[cfultz3]

It wouldn't be so bad but this is what passes for a leader in the church today.

Oftentimes, this is what passes for a Christian.

 

[Angela53510]

I'm kind of in shock to learn that cfultz3 is a pastor. I thought that pastors were to have the ministry of reconciliation?

"All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; [SUP]19 [/SUP]that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor. 5:18-21

I guess I attended a different kind of seminary than some of the people on here.

 

[SarahM777]

Angela,

I don't remember cfultz ever saying he is a pastor.

 

[cfultz3]

I'm kind of in shock to learn that cfultz3 is a pastor. I thought that pastors were to have the ministry of reconciliation?

"All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; [SUP]19 [/SUP]that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor. 5:18-21

I guess I attended a different kind of seminary than some of the people on here.

Cool!!! I am a pastor.....

Are we not all to preach this "ministry of reconciliation" , see that we as Christians are to tell others about Christ?

Anywho, how did I give the impression I was a pastor?

 

[Angela53510]

Post #173, seems to say he is a pastor as he responded about leaders in the church.

My mistake and apologies. Still, I guess we should all follow that verse, and maybe things would not be constant fighting in this forum.

 

[SarahM777]

Angela,

You are right he is a pastor see post # 177

 

[cfultz3]

Post #173, seems to say he is a pastor as he responded about leaders in the church.

My mistake and apologies. Still, I guess we should all follow that verse, and maybe things would not be constant fighting in this forum.

O My friend,

I was pointing out the reality of Sarah's post. Rotten fruits from anyone is still rotten fruits. I just don't think it is right for either a pastor or a Christian laymen.