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To be honest I am trying to trigger an intelligent discussion. I know the verses. Though it did turn the topic. I am new to the site and want to see what type of conversation would be produced. Negative or postive to see if this is a place I can openly discuss. The first reply was not promising but yours was.
B
Rather, the fastest way to drive someone to hell is by not telling him what he does wrong. We have to know the difference between condemning, criticizing and warning. A coward will always consider warning as a condemnation. We have to warn, warn, and warn others of the consequences of remaining in sin. That is the first responsibility of a true Christian. That was the essence of the Great Commission in Matthew 28.
Sinners should forsake their sins and live a righteous life. How will they forsake sin unless they know it is sin. How will they know unless someone tells them. How will he tell them unless he had forsaken his sins himself.
Sinners should forsake their sins and live a righteous life. How will they forsake sin unless they know it is sin. How will they know unless someone tells them. How will he tell them unless he had forsaken his sins himself.
B
My dearest Musicalblood, you do not stop amusing me.
However, I understand because you have said that to you sex is sex, whether between same sex or not. God is the perfect and inerrant designer, and he designed sex organs suitable for woman and man my beloved. He condemns homosexuality. That is why i can say that your thoughts do not stand against God's.
Secondly, you must understand that sex between a married couples is not sin, rather a blessing and motivational aspect of life long contract between the two. it brings intimacy between the two and they can serve God better.
However, I understand because you have said that to you sex is sex, whether between same sex or not. God is the perfect and inerrant designer, and he designed sex organs suitable for woman and man my beloved. He condemns homosexuality. That is why i can say that your thoughts do not stand against God's.
Secondly, you must understand that sex between a married couples is not sin, rather a blessing and motivational aspect of life long contract between the two. it brings intimacy between the two and they can serve God better.
Genesis 1
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Even the animals are blessed to have sex hmmmmmmmmmmm
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Even the animals are blessed to have sex hmmmmmmmmmmm
A
The Bible is not a prudish book, though interpreters through the centuries have exerted great efforts to “de-sex” the Bible for instance, by adopting an allegorical method for interpreting the Song of Songs presumably due to the misuse of sex via sexual immorality so many choose to engage in. But neither is the Bible pornographic or medical in its description of sexual matters. Often the biblical authors use simile and metaphor to describe the sexual organs or the sexual act.
In the ancient Near Eastern worldview, the sexual activity of human beings, then, is simply an earthly reflection of what takes place in the divine realm.
The OT, however, presents a radically different theology from that of the surrounding nations. Genesis 1 and 2 announce that God created the cosmos and the first human beings. There is only one God, and divine sexual activity does not enter into the picture of creation. As we will see, the Bible uses sexual images to describe God; however, God is clearly neither male nor female.
The man and woman that God created, on the other hand, are sexual. Indeed, immediately after the announcement that God created the male and female in his image, he blesses them and commands them to “be fruitful and increase in number” (Gen 1:28 NIV), a commission that clearly involves sexual activity.
They were made for intimacy.
Nowhere is this intimacy more dramatically displayed than in the act of sexual intercourse. Here is a poetic reaffirmation that the man and woman really are “one flesh” (Gen 2:24). The Bible thereby explains how important sexuality is to human nature and the human experience. Accordingly, it is not at all surprising that sex, and in particular sexual intercourse, is a major topic throughout the canon.
To look at the imagery of sexuality properly, we need to explore the Bible from two perspectives: images of sexuality and sex as an image. That is, the biblical authors use the language of imagery to describe the act of sex, and they also use the language of sex to illumine other important relationships, most notably the relationship between God and his people.
Hosea is the earliest prophet to develop this analogy between sexual intimacy and the divine-human relationship at great length. The image is a natural one since the marriage relationship is the most intimate of all relationships among human beings and the sexual act is a dramatic expression of that unity. The two become one flesh as they engage in sexual relations.
The marriage relationship is also a mutually exclusive relationship. Although one can have multiple friends, multiple children, two parents and many business associates, one can have only one spouse. The Bible is very clear in its moral code that the sexual act can only legitimately take place within the context of the marriage relationship. Thus the image of marriage and sex, a relationship that is purely exclusive and allows no rivals, is an ideal image of the relationship between God and his people.
Consequently, when Israel flirts with and embraces false gods, the sin is rightly described as a kind of adultery.
The Song of Songs celebrates intimacy between a man and a woman. Within the context of the canon, the relationship can only be understood as that of a married couple. We could justifiably treat the Song of Songs as an extension of the marriage metaphor that occurs in many places in the Bible.
The most positive image of nakedness in the Bible is also the first, where we read regarding Adam and Eve in the Garden that “the man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame” (Gen 2:25 NIV). This is a strongly positive image, connoting such prelapsarian qualities as innocence, freedom, openness, paradisal simplicity and sexual intimacy in marriage. This striking verse at once signals implied contrasts between the original state of the human race and its later state, between paradisal simplicity and civilized complexity, between transparency and concealment, between a childlike lack of self-consciousness and adult shame over one’s private body parts after engaging in sin.
Sexual sin between two people of the same sex is clearly condemned throughout the canon when the topic arises as sinful perversion despite modern/post-modern revisionist politically motivated misinterpretation.
In the ancient Near Eastern worldview, the sexual activity of human beings, then, is simply an earthly reflection of what takes place in the divine realm.
The OT, however, presents a radically different theology from that of the surrounding nations. Genesis 1 and 2 announce that God created the cosmos and the first human beings. There is only one God, and divine sexual activity does not enter into the picture of creation. As we will see, the Bible uses sexual images to describe God; however, God is clearly neither male nor female.
The man and woman that God created, on the other hand, are sexual. Indeed, immediately after the announcement that God created the male and female in his image, he blesses them and commands them to “be fruitful and increase in number” (Gen 1:28 NIV), a commission that clearly involves sexual activity.
They were made for intimacy.
Nowhere is this intimacy more dramatically displayed than in the act of sexual intercourse. Here is a poetic reaffirmation that the man and woman really are “one flesh” (Gen 2:24). The Bible thereby explains how important sexuality is to human nature and the human experience. Accordingly, it is not at all surprising that sex, and in particular sexual intercourse, is a major topic throughout the canon.
To look at the imagery of sexuality properly, we need to explore the Bible from two perspectives: images of sexuality and sex as an image. That is, the biblical authors use the language of imagery to describe the act of sex, and they also use the language of sex to illumine other important relationships, most notably the relationship between God and his people.
Hosea is the earliest prophet to develop this analogy between sexual intimacy and the divine-human relationship at great length. The image is a natural one since the marriage relationship is the most intimate of all relationships among human beings and the sexual act is a dramatic expression of that unity. The two become one flesh as they engage in sexual relations.
The marriage relationship is also a mutually exclusive relationship. Although one can have multiple friends, multiple children, two parents and many business associates, one can have only one spouse. The Bible is very clear in its moral code that the sexual act can only legitimately take place within the context of the marriage relationship. Thus the image of marriage and sex, a relationship that is purely exclusive and allows no rivals, is an ideal image of the relationship between God and his people.
Consequently, when Israel flirts with and embraces false gods, the sin is rightly described as a kind of adultery.
The Song of Songs celebrates intimacy between a man and a woman. Within the context of the canon, the relationship can only be understood as that of a married couple. We could justifiably treat the Song of Songs as an extension of the marriage metaphor that occurs in many places in the Bible.
The most positive image of nakedness in the Bible is also the first, where we read regarding Adam and Eve in the Garden that “the man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame” (Gen 2:25 NIV). This is a strongly positive image, connoting such prelapsarian qualities as innocence, freedom, openness, paradisal simplicity and sexual intimacy in marriage. This striking verse at once signals implied contrasts between the original state of the human race and its later state, between paradisal simplicity and civilized complexity, between transparency and concealment, between a childlike lack of self-consciousness and adult shame over one’s private body parts after engaging in sin.
Sexual sin between two people of the same sex is clearly condemned throughout the canon when the topic arises as sinful perversion despite modern/post-modern revisionist politically motivated misinterpretation.
P
Bao, here in Brazil we are facing a great discussion on that topic. In fact, for being a teacher in a public school, which cannot privilege a religion, I've asked God for understanding to distinguish between prejudice and homophobia so that I caould talk to students. Well, what I say now is that we cannot have prejudice: we should follow God and love every people, including sinners. It does not mean I have to agree with them. In the contrary, I love sinners, but hate sin. Then, I don't think I'm superior and I don't want sinners to suffer - I wish they would repent. We should respect their opinion - it's their lives. And they should respect mine - it's my faith. In both new and old testaments homosexuality is a sin, described in Leviticus (18.22) as an "abomination". It's there - believing is a matter of choice. Although, believing in it does not imply I should hate or persecute gays or be persecuted for being against homosexualism. If a gay is more hardworking and studies more than me, for example, he deserves the best job position - it is fair. Entering God's kingdom is another matter, a matter of faith, choice, position... If one does not agree with me, I still respect hem and he still should respect me. And even he becomes an enemy, I will not be his enemy - I'll still love him.
D
i am not a gay~
but our country is going to create laws about the homo marriage.so i'm thinking about that.
if those homosexual people love their partner and willing to live with him/her in their rest of life,i think it's ok.
but lots of friends,Preachers deny it.
there are their prayer
i am not sure the translation is right)
Lord Jesus, we, as children of God to serve Thy name bundled over Taiwan that sensuality, lust, perversion, arrogant, rebellious, and confuse the evil power of moral truth, Thy hand from heaven hinder the adoption of these same-sex marriage bill the destruction of the evil counsels; also Thy voice in the legislature for the truth emerging leaders to halt these unjust bill; let our young people can hear more of the teachings of truth and holiness. Thank you to pray for the country and the leader's authority and responsibilities entrusted to us, let us Thy faithful in this matter. The statue of Jesus prayer of winning, Amen!
i really be confused by this.
is there anyone can give me the answer?
the homosexual love could be sin?
(i am not good at English,so there may have some mistakes)
but our country is going to create laws about the homo marriage.so i'm thinking about that.
if those homosexual people love their partner and willing to live with him/her in their rest of life,i think it's ok.
but lots of friends,Preachers deny it.
there are their prayer
i am not sure the translation is right)Lord Jesus, we, as children of God to serve Thy name bundled over Taiwan that sensuality, lust, perversion, arrogant, rebellious, and confuse the evil power of moral truth, Thy hand from heaven hinder the adoption of these same-sex marriage bill the destruction of the evil counsels; also Thy voice in the legislature for the truth emerging leaders to halt these unjust bill; let our young people can hear more of the teachings of truth and holiness. Thank you to pray for the country and the leader's authority and responsibilities entrusted to us, let us Thy faithful in this matter. The statue of Jesus prayer of winning, Amen!
i really be confused by this.
is there anyone can give me the answer?
the homosexual love could be sin?
(i am not good at English,so there may have some mistakes
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You write in English better than any of us can dream of writing in Chinese!
My country has had gay marriages for a long time now. Our laws are made by people that represent everybody, not just Christians. I love that I live in a democratic country, where laws reflect the will of the people.
Personally, marriage is the centre of my life, the union that brought us God's most precious gift, our children and grand-children. I've never grown completely comfortable with gay marriage, but my children have and are passionate in their belief that people in love should be able to marry like my husband and I did.
Is there anyone that can give you an answer? No, people don't give you the answers to difficult questions. You have to study them, reflect and pray. Only you can find the answer.
Deb
T
The fact that I may or may not agree with someone's lifestyle choices are totally beside the point. If I didn't like the way some else chooses to live I should keep silent. Hold my peace. Say Nothing. But that is not the case in gay marriage.
Men, since Adam, have always been trying to do good, to do what is right, APART FROM GOD. Adam was not doing anything wrong or evil in his own sight when he pursued knowledge of good and evil. He was not out to murder his wife, or abuse the animals or plants - he had no "evil" in his heart. He only wanted the positive experience of knowing good and evil - no matter what God had said. Eating the fruit was Adam and Eve's self-improvement plan.
God has declared that He hates homosexuality - it does not matter if you or I approve. If I do not love people who are involved in homosexuality I have the option of saying nothing. They will then face the wrath of an angry God. If I love them, I will risk my relationship with them to remind them about what God has said. I do not warn them (risking my precious relationship with them) because I do not care about what happens to them. I warn them because I do care about them. The person who does not love them would not bother to say much.
I would never tell them that I do not agree with their lifestyle. My opinion about their lifestyle is irrelevant. God's opinion is what matters.
Men, since Adam, have always been trying to do good, to do what is right, APART FROM GOD. Adam was not doing anything wrong or evil in his own sight when he pursued knowledge of good and evil. He was not out to murder his wife, or abuse the animals or plants - he had no "evil" in his heart. He only wanted the positive experience of knowing good and evil - no matter what God had said. Eating the fruit was Adam and Eve's self-improvement plan.
God has declared that He hates homosexuality - it does not matter if you or I approve. If I do not love people who are involved in homosexuality I have the option of saying nothing. They will then face the wrath of an angry God. If I love them, I will risk my relationship with them to remind them about what God has said. I do not warn them (risking my precious relationship with them) because I do not care about what happens to them. I warn them because I do care about them. The person who does not love them would not bother to say much.
I would never tell them that I do not agree with their lifestyle. My opinion about their lifestyle is irrelevant. God's opinion is what matters.
I am constantly surprised by peoples stupidity.
Homosexual love is not lust. And your almighty bible doesn't say it is.
The almighty father doesn't think it is.
I don't know why people think something written over 5,000 years ago is still relevant today in terms of social equality. Its just dumb. Why live in the 1900s and discriminate against coloured people when we can live pre the dark ages and discriminate against everyone....
Homosexual love is not lust. And your almighty bible doesn't say it is.
The almighty father doesn't think it is.
I don't know why people think something written over 5,000 years ago is still relevant today in terms of social equality. Its just dumb. Why live in the 1900s and discriminate against coloured people when we can live pre the dark ages and discriminate against everyone....
Of course. It is right of you to assume that you and nobody else is wise enough to understand the will of God. I have my own belief of what God thinks, and I don't really care what you think, or what you think the bible means. I think that you will have to face an angry God for using his word to diminish and discriminate others. Anyway, maybe we are both wrong? perhaps we will both end up in hell.
Yay!
Yay!
T
It is not a matter of understanding. Those who would rather try to live "good" without God will hate what the bible plainly says. I care what you think, because you took the time to post and to reply to me. (If you don't care what I think why did you reply to my comments?) You have your own belief, and don't care about the bible, a book that, while not written 5,000 years ago, still seems outdated to you. I would infer that your beliefs about God come from a source other than the bible. You know what God has said in the bible. Your confusion has nothing to do with lack of understanding or misinterpretation. You do not like what God said. It seems to you that modern man knows better. It seemed to ancient man that ancient man knew better, too. Some things do not change. Your "yay" comment is interesting. Hell, the place from which God withdraws his presence and grace, is where the banished flee into. Having the sin of the world forgiven by the atonement of God, the Son, some STILL refuse God; they enter into eternity with the evil character they were born with, instead of the regenerated character offered by the Holy Spirit. They are driven from God's holy presence into….the one place where He isn't. If God and His word offends you, that is the other option. He will not FORCE you to love him. As for discrimination? We are a great throng, from EVERY tribe and nation, who are not offended by God's word, who realize that the character we were born with was unholy and unreformable, who took the "born again" option.