What Laws are still valid to christians
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Tell me were in new t. It says that faith does come by reading? You imply nowere does it say it doesn't come by reading? So logically it should say it does come by reading? We're is that scripture ? And bk to John chapter five , life and judgement through the son? What is your reply to this verse ? Jesus speaking clearly lays it out? Are you saying it means something else or I'm misunderstanding its application and its meaning. ? There need be no more debate once this is cleared up so il await your enlightenment on it... Regards red herring I dnt understand that and whats it in reply too
W
Re: What Laws are still valid to christians
Originally Posted by Welshman
Yes we need study and learn and kp close to god through the bible as he chose this medium in this age to talk to us but searching scripture endlessly will not enrich us to Christ? Hearing through faith illuminates scripture for us telling us context application amongst many other things bt
faith comes by hearing not reading? Dnt mix the two together
Particularly when the Gentiles to whom Paul preached had no scrolls to read.
The NT does not state that faith does not come by reading.
Faith came by hearing because there was no other way of giving the gospel to the Gentiles.
this last line is nonsense? Faith came by hearing cos The Lord chose it not cos Gentiles didnt have scrolls? What bolloni is that? You've had scrolls for millennia even before Christ, yet the scrolls never saved anyone? Doesn't that say something about the Jewish people.. You had the law. Did that save anyone either?, no not one all have bn saved or imputed with righteousness due to thier believing ( FAITH ) from Abraham to Paul? Some have seen and believed others have heard of him and believed? Even unto today? No one ever bn saved by obedience to law? The purpose of the law the only purpose of the law was and is to show us how dearly we needed a rescue plan from god to get us bk frm satan ? That plan is faith in all Christ is was and remains to be simple amen
Originally Posted by Welshman
Yes we need study and learn and kp close to god through the bible as he chose this medium in this age to talk to us but searching scripture endlessly will not enrich us to Christ? Hearing through faith illuminates scripture for us telling us context application amongst many other things bt
faith comes by hearing not reading? Dnt mix the two together
Particularly when the Gentiles to whom Paul preached had no scrolls to read.
The NT does not state that faith does not come by reading.
Faith came by hearing because there was no other way of giving the gospel to the Gentiles.
this last line is nonsense? Faith came by hearing cos The Lord chose it not cos Gentiles didnt have scrolls? What bolloni is that? You've had scrolls for millennia even before Christ, yet the scrolls never saved anyone? Doesn't that say something about the Jewish people.. You had the law. Did that save anyone either?, no not one all have bn saved or imputed with righteousness due to thier believing ( FAITH ) from Abraham to Paul? Some have seen and believed others have heard of him and believed? Even unto today? No one ever bn saved by obedience to law? The purpose of the law the only purpose of the law was and is to show us how dearly we needed a rescue plan from god to get us bk frm satan ? That plan is faith in all Christ is was and remains to be simple amen
W
Now you saying the n t dnt bar faith by reading before that the word you used doesnt? This isn't semantics elin just accept The Lord at his word not disputing by words? Gospel scrolls? Are there any other scrolls? Even if there are? Means nothing! The bible is gods completed word to us in this time? No adding no taking? Complete means finished dne no more to be said? Your argumentative for no cause other than defending your own position no matter what? This is your right your entitlement it may be even noble to you such beliefs it might be a thousand good things but one thing your position wnt allow you is the ability to see truth through Jesus own words, this is a problem. That a 1000 posts will not alter one yodh??? Much love bt less patience elin
Agreed, my brother. . .and the Lord neither says anything about faith coming by hearing,
nor does he bar faith by hearing.
I'll let you decide if anything during Paul's time was committed to scrolls.
My dear brother, Jesus said nothing about faith coming by hearing,
and nothing that would bar faith by reading.
nor does he bar faith by hearing.
I'll let you decide if anything during Paul's time was committed to scrolls.
My dear brother, Jesus said nothing about faith coming by hearing,
and nothing that would bar faith by reading.
W
Endless with you friend just endless I'm afraid my patience wnt extend to job,s tolerance so il end my part here said my 125 posts are all there to see and make wat they wish if indeed they have enough patience much love wateva your pursuits and goals in life I wish for you what you wish for yourself, but my view cannot ever be your view this is sad yet true bt god love ya anyway friend ... We all his children jus different clans?
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Welshman , you can be so frastrating and pig-headed! be a little more simple, comon sense,Please. I heard the wrong-headed preaching of theWord of God for years and never came to the faith; But when God got me reading His word, faith came,from God, as a gift. Because I hear the word in all its purity, and God owned it as His own, and make me alive in Christ, by His power and mercy with His new birth. I was changed into a new creation in Christ as I read,(hear by reading) others hear from God just by the spoken word, never having read the Word before. It is all of God's provodenial will. Love to asll, Hoffco
Sister does not true hearing come from God through the Holy Ghost. I mean the disciples had to wait, why when they each knew truth had to wait? It is not God living in me, it is God living through me that brings the truth to the hearers yes or no?
Luke 11:33 “No one lights a lamp and hides it! Instead, he puts it on a lampstand to give light to all who enter the room.
Who is the lamp and where is the lampstand? does one need anymore? Did those disciples spend time reading the First Testament and making sure all was true or did they continue in Prayer for the finished work of Christ to come forth to all those that received that day on Pentecost? Could this have happened if they did this on their own as so many today do, claiming they are of?
Luke 11:33 “No one lights a lamp and hides it! Instead, he puts it on a lampstand to give light to all who enter the room.
Who is the lamp and where is the lampstand? does one need anymore? Did those disciples spend time reading the First Testament and making sure all was true or did they continue in Prayer for the finished work of Christ to come forth to all those that received that day on Pentecost? Could this have happened if they did this on their own as so many today do, claiming they are of?
Does God still talk today, or is that finished the Bible being the last word?
Would that be any better than Buddha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are praying to God who is asleep, and not talking to an Idol!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on wake up god is alive for eternity, has not stopped talking to his Sheep, is not sleeping and or on Vacation. Bruce Almighty is not left in Charge although it might wake up some of God's children that are sleeping
And Jesus was in the Garden praying and said stay awake, yet they fell asleep. woke them up stated the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, and this was before the cross not after, where as before the cross they were dead in the Spirit, and after they were supplied with God's Spirit at Pentecost, to do what, trust God to do the living for them and pass along the Gospel, and for each of those that received were born again a free gift from God to pass it on further, and it has not stopped, and will not until Father says it is time period. Please let us all that believe Father see the difference of flesh and Spirit of you Father and be led as you led Jesus, thank you and I know you will because you are faithful, time to move past please. please, please to thank you with thanksgiving and praise you think?
Homwardbound
Would that be any better than Buddha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are praying to God who is asleep, and not talking to an Idol!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on wake up god is alive for eternity, has not stopped talking to his Sheep, is not sleeping and or on Vacation. Bruce Almighty is not left in Charge although it might wake up some of God's children that are sleeping
And Jesus was in the Garden praying and said stay awake, yet they fell asleep. woke them up stated the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, and this was before the cross not after, where as before the cross they were dead in the Spirit, and after they were supplied with God's Spirit at Pentecost, to do what, trust God to do the living for them and pass along the Gospel, and for each of those that received were born again a free gift from God to pass it on further, and it has not stopped, and will not until Father says it is time period. Please let us all that believe Father see the difference of flesh and Spirit of you Father and be led as you led Jesus, thank you and I know you will because you are faithful, time to move past please. please, please to thank you with thanksgiving and praise you think?
Homwardbound
Well Hoffco since what you say here is truth, why have you Blasphemed God in calling me and others Heretics and Liars. It is entirely up to you to apologize for this or not, but if you do, I pray it is from a contrite heart, not from your flesh that you so well presented to God and me, yet you are past tense forgiven and I hold no grudge against you whatsoever.
So let me ask what you said about Welshman, JGIg and me was that from God or your flesh?
So let me ask what you said about Welshman, JGIg and me was that from God or your flesh?
Very good ? and by nature everyone knows there is a God. So who is God? Is man? Born first in the flesh to create and just has trouble in maintaining. wants minions under him to worship him as God, when no man can turn his hair white or black at will, unless of coarse today he uses hair coloring, yet at the snap of his fingers he still can't
We are the creation not the creators,
Law and grace just do not mix, just as oil and water do not. Thanks
We are the creation not the creators,
Law and grace just do not mix, just as oil and water do not. Thanks
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I won't reply to hoffco until he says he truly sorry for calling me homeward bound and jgig liars? Disgracing gods word and his plan of salvation, many others offended too yet he still calls me pig headed? Il let others judge my posts? Not me? But il simply take no notice off hoffco until this apology is brought forth? I know we are doing our best to show a light in a darkened room and to free some from bondage to law to freedom in Christ and his gift of grace to those he calls and chooses? Calling brothers liars heretics and casting judgement on us?, from a man? Please... Me n homeward started with bit of difficulty and still not agree 100% but my respect for this man has blossomed I see his heart through his words I see fruits present even wen sorely tested this man loves Jesus and knows his word too make no mistake readers this man has gods word in abundance bt never boasts he hardly will accept a compliment lol bt a liar a heretic a misguider in gods message a false teacher NEVER never would I accept such words toward this man ? Hoffco is law unto himself and we are all wrong? Never seen homwardbound lose his cool never accusing never condemning anyone nor have I amen