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Can't perform miracles? oh don't tell me that you are another who thinks God changes? that He is not the same today as He was yesturday or will be tomorrow?
so you are one who thinks He will tell us to be wary and vigiliant of the prince of this world, but refuses to love us enough to give us the gifts to protect each other and ourselves from his firey darts? Let me guess you believe in Jesus but deny His power? deny His gifts and the promises He made to ALL believers not just the early church?
Read...... and then Read again.... its all there in His Word.
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First i never claimed that I could preform miracles. Only that i believed what the Word said and that ALL WHO BELIEVE can and will. I can't at this time because i have only been baptized with the Spirit not filled.
no wonder we don't believe ANYTHING the bible says? are you trying to say that you don't believe the bible? I ask because that is the what your sentence seems to say.
and lastly I am sorry that you feel that God using His believers in the same manner downgrades His love and Mercy
no wonder we don't believe ANYTHING the bible says? are you trying to say that you don't believe the bible? I ask because that is the what your sentence seems to say.
and lastly I am sorry that you feel that God using His believers in the same manner downgrades His love and Mercy
arguing with yourself Redster?
for the record:
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you said -
"You need to post this article by Charles Spurgeon and let the winds of conviction blow as they may. If you choose not to, I will, because it is needed and extremely relevant to the faith of believers as part of the doctrine of Christ and the church.
Another thing, if I may, this water baptism by immersion that we have as NT believers was never given to Israel or its commonwealth because this baptism involves resurrection, out with the old and in with the new, a putting off of the old man and a putting on with the one new man, and that baptism is for the church who are in Christ through the new birth. - BradC"
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"this water baptism.....involves resurrection, out with the old and in with the new"
i guess you'll want to retract or modify that ^ thrash-reaction-post
otherwise ppl will think you believe it.
for the record:
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you said -
"You need to post this article by Charles Spurgeon and let the winds of conviction blow as they may. If you choose not to, I will, because it is needed and extremely relevant to the faith of believers as part of the doctrine of Christ and the church.
Another thing, if I may, this water baptism by immersion that we have as NT believers was never given to Israel or its commonwealth because this baptism involves resurrection, out with the old and in with the new, a putting off of the old man and a putting on with the one new man, and that baptism is for the church who are in Christ through the new birth. - BradC"
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"this water baptism.....involves resurrection, out with the old and in with the new"
i guess you'll want to retract or modify that ^ thrash-reaction-post
otherwise ppl will think you believe it.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
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The simple conclusion to this issue of baptisms is that every single believer is baptized by and of the Holy Spirit at salvation as one person. Each believer is called in one hope and baptized (immersed) into one body by one Spirit through one faith in one gospel that reveals one Lord and one God and Father of us all. There is salvation in only one name under heaven. This one baptism is inward and identifies us as a member of the body of Christ that is made up of many members with Jesus Christ as the head. Each individual believer that has been called to salvation by this one faith is commanded by our one Lord to partake of water baptism (immersion) after salvation that identifies that believer with the the new birth through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. This water baptism needs to be obeyed only one time and has nothing to do with the act of regeneration but is a public display and testimony that identifies the believer with the new birth and as a follower (disciple) of Jesus Christ and of the commandments that he is taught. This is to be understood, obeyed by faith and practiced by every believer as part of our faith and calling by the grace of God.
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'Furthermore, Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). According to Jesus, ANYONE who does not believe in Him will be damned. Jesus makes no exception for infants. Babies will not be saved without faith in Jesus. Parents who think they are placing their children under God's grace by "dedicating" them are deceiving themselves. The only dedication that the New Testament knows of is the "dedication" that take place via baptism. That is why infants should be baptized. Like everyone else, they desperately need forgiveness. If infants die before they believe in Jesus, they will be eternally condemned. They, like everyone else, need to be baptized so that they can be born again. Jesus said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5). We believe that baptism is God's special means of grace for children by which He causes them to be born again. To keep them from baptism is to keep them from forgiveness and to endanger them with damnation.'
III - Baptism Replaces Circumcision
'God's covenant with Abraham (Genesis 17:10-14) demanded that every male child was to be circumcised when eight days old. By circumcision, the baby entered into a covenant relationship with the true God.
St. Paul teaches us that in the New Testament baptism has replaced circumcision. "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism . . ." (Col. 2:11-12).
Given this fact, it would have been natural for first century Jewish believers to baptize infants, since they were accustomed to circumcise their male children at eight days old. It is also logical that if God regarded eight day old male babies as members of His covenant people through circumcision, He will also regard newborn babies to be members of His kingdom through baptism, the "circumcision made without hands." '
ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?
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'Furthermore, Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). According to Jesus, ANYONE who does not believe in Him will be damned. Jesus makes no exception for infants. Babies will not be saved without faith in Jesus. Parents who think they are placing their children under God's grace by "dedicating" them are deceiving themselves. The only dedication that the New Testament knows of is the "dedication" that take place via baptism. That is why infants should be baptized. Like everyone else, they desperately need forgiveness. If infants die before they believe in Jesus, they will be eternally condemned. They, like everyone else, need to be baptized so that they can be born again. Jesus said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5). We believe that baptism is God's special means of grace for children by which He causes them to be born again. To keep them from baptism is to keep them from forgiveness and to endanger them with damnation.'
III - Baptism Replaces Circumcision
'God's covenant with Abraham (Genesis 17:10-14) demanded that every male child was to be circumcised when eight days old. By circumcision, the baby entered into a covenant relationship with the true God.
St. Paul teaches us that in the New Testament baptism has replaced circumcision. "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism . . ." (Col. 2:11-12).
Given this fact, it would have been natural for first century Jewish believers to baptize infants, since they were accustomed to circumcise their male children at eight days old. It is also logical that if God regarded eight day old male babies as members of His covenant people through circumcision, He will also regard newborn babies to be members of His kingdom through baptism, the "circumcision made without hands." '
ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?
"He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16).
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'Furthermore, Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). According to Jesus, ANYONE who does not believe in Him will be damned. Jesus makes no exception for infants. Babies will not be saved without faith in Jesus. Parents who think they are placing their children under God's grace by "dedicating" them are deceiving themselves. The only dedication that the New Testament knows of is the "dedication" that take place via baptism. That is why infants should be baptized. Like everyone else, they desperately need forgiveness. If infants die before they believe in Jesus, they will be eternally condemned. They, like everyone else, need to be baptized so that they can be born again. Jesus said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5). We believe that baptism is God's special means of grace for children by which He causes them to be born again. To keep them from baptism is to keep them from forgiveness and to endanger them with damnation.'
III - Baptism Replaces Circumcision
'God's covenant with Abraham (Genesis 17:10-14) demanded that every male child was to be circumcised when eight days old. By circumcision, the baby entered into a covenant relationship with the true God.
St. Paul teaches us that in the New Testament baptism has replaced circumcision. "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism . . ." (Col. 2:11-12).
Given this fact, it would have been natural for first century Jewish believers to baptize infants, since they were accustomed to circumcise their male children at eight days old. It is also logical that if God regarded eight day old male babies as members of His covenant people through circumcision, He will also regard newborn babies to be members of His kingdom through baptism, the "circumcision made without hands." '
ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?
Regardless, verses like we see below can't be treated as if they don't exist either.
Or if you're going to say they don't apply now days, at least come up with a theology to explain it.
"He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16).
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If baptism was included in regeneration or salvation in that verse, the second part should read something like, 'he who believes not and is not baptized shall be damned'. But it does not say or read that way and for anyone to claim that baptism was required for salvation or regeneration, already understood from the first part of that verse, is adding to the text that which was not included. Is this the kind of practice that we are to engage and utilize to interpret the meaning in other scriptures as well that might omit certain words?
Christ did not water Baptize anyone, his disciples did though, yet he himself did not, Pleas show scripture that states he did any water Baptism of anyone. When john stated directly that Christ's Baptism is different from his Baptism
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: