What Laws are still valid to christians

[wordsponge]

To Wordsponge, Thank you for your words of wisdom. It is really sad to see the apostacy in the churches todays. I have been blessed lately by John MacArthurs tapes on "Strange Fire". I enjoy all his sermons, and John Pippers'. I am a retired lay pastor, widowed , remarried and a missionary in Davao city, Philippines. Love to all, Hoffco

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Hello my friend,

I hope that it is ok to call you friend.

I am >> extremely happy to meet you.
I do not publicly report my experience with Jesus
for fear that someone my recommend medication.

Jesus, my good shepherd,
had shut my mouth for two weeks that I could not even start to explain to my wife.
>> Jesus << must be every individual's shepherd.

I will say this much:Gentile leaders are >> wrong << in their thinking
that Jesus does not contact 'lay people'.

GOD and his Son are good
and are still 'no respector of persons' = good, but fearlessly unbiased.

Leaders cannot force Jesus, our shepherd, to speak to them only.
When the church refuse 'private reveltions' they have shut the door on Jesus Our Head.
However, the door is shut only to themselves.
This has been done for most of the Gentile invitation to Christ.

Through revelation, is how Jesus continued leading the Apostles and their converts.
Each person had contact with Jesus.
Each person had a particular gift and hence of particular value to the group.
The leaders knew to accomodate Jesus and the flock and not be any thing but Godly examples.

Our Gentile people are very mixed up confused and are not aware of it.
They Doctrinally suffocate and injure each other and believe that they are 'saving each other.'

Things could get worse with us Gentiles.
We do not know who the devil is and we freely co-operate with him and will continue to do so.

We do not think metaphoriclly/ spiritually and think that we must wait to go the heaven.
That is 'extreme' darkness and 'salt without savor.'

We are spiritually unlearned/ ignorant/ in darkness.
The Prophets, incarnated Jesus and the Apostles used Spiritual language to conceal things.
The work of the Spirit is to reveal to the 'genuine article.'
This is the part of 'the perfect work of GOD.'

Jesus calls each one to himself only.

Who is eqipped to show us how >> to return/ come << to Jesus.
Who can tell you the most about booze but an alcoholic or maybe the maker?

John.7
[37] In the last day, that great day of the feast,
Jesus (THE LIVING AND FUNCTIONING SHEPHERD OF THE SHEEP)
stood and cried saying:

If >> any man thirsts (for the priceless Spirit of God)
then let him come to me (ONLY) and drink.

Rev.21
[6] Jesus said to me (John):
It is done.
I (the most prominent and second to GOD only)
am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give to him (??) who is athirst (for the invaluable Spirit)
of the fountain of the water of life >>> freely.
[7] He who overcomes >> (firstly, false Doctrine and the powerful majority)
shall inherit all things
and I (Jesus, the most powerful and capable Son of GOD)
will be his God and he shall be my son.

We must restore >> the correct applicaion << of step two to Jesus
and Jesus will (VERIFIABLY) be back in each one.

We were called 'a foolish people' by God to Moses and we have mostly remained so.
Spiritual Israel on the other hand is wise.

The future existence of the Gentiles is at stake.
The future population of the planet is a certain people.
The others will be extinct.
GOD will establish certain ones and their seed.
We must love our people and the Isrealites and go to Jesus for the answers.
I do not think that their leaders generally teach the to love gentiles.
They are wholeheartedly focused on their own self preservation.
I say that without bias or hatred but from reading their own materials.
To an extent I can understand but when we mix the will od GOD into it then ....

Jesus taught us differently.

Consider this: a Servant of GOD = greatness more than normal men begin to suspect.

We must return to the good Shepherd, who gave his life for the sheep,
and not to men who also need shepherding.
Faking it must not be acceptable, by any God concious person, anymore.

Did David, in any writing, point out any man who was his shepherd?
Also, did any Apostle do that?

May Our Shepherd take you by the hand.
There is a guaranteed way back.

My reward is with my LORD.

Keep smiling.

Surely our friend.

 

[wordsponge]

Paul makes it clear in Romans.
ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL, BUT NOT ALL THINGS ARE BENEFICIAL.
IF it is no longer you who lives but Christ "God" who lives in you.
Then ALL things that you do don't determine who you are.
The bigger question here is what are we here for??, and if we walk in the light as he is in the light, what can we achieve???
Sin holds us back from what we can believe in our minds. "The battle is in your mind"
Sin stops us from believing that God is alive in us!
We need to do as Jeshua did.
He saw who he was through the scriptures as God incarnate.
And WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD ASWELL. JESHUA WAS OUR OLDER BROTHER LIKE THE PRODICAL SON TELLS US.
AND ESAW.
IF WE OBEY GOD, not for our salvation but for the kingdoms cause, WE BRING THE FULNESS OF THE KINGDOM.
Christ comes alive IN US.
"Why do you stand gazing into heaven?" The same Christ you saw go into heaven will so come in LIKE MANNER AS YOU SAW HIM GO" he isn't coming down ppl!!!!

Hello,

You have great zeal.

I love it .....

If I may respectfully remind:

The Word from GOD for >> our times << came with Christ >> the Apostles >> worldwide.

If we stick to their word then we are not back with Moses.
We must know our GOD sent teachers.
Moses was sent to the nation of Israel exclusively.
Jesus was physically sent to Israel only.

Rom.15
[8] Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of/ for the circumcision (Israelites)
for the truth of God,
to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
[9] And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written,
For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

The Gentiles got Paul to explain, teach and connect them to the invisible Christ.

Here is how our Apostle Paul summed up the BIG 10.

Rom.13
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore >> love is the fulfilling of the law.

No Day is mentioned because GOD's TRUE worshippers
are spontaneous worshippers in Spirit and in Truth.

I truly hope that I did understand what your lesson was.

Faith without works is dead.

We are useless to each other if we cannot edify each other in the unbiased truth.

May he acknowledge your zeal.

Take care.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore >> love is the fulfilling of the law.

Imagine a world where everyone obeyed this law. It would be like heaven.

 

[wordsponge]

You have done exactly what law keepers do - claiming we are obligated to follow the law of Moses, but then pick and choose which commandments and laws they want to keep. If we must keep the 9 commandments, where is the authorization to dispense with (or delete as you said) the 4th commandment? Christ said that not a jot or tittle of the law was to be done away with, yet you say an entire commandment has been deleted?

There is no such thing as GOD's moral law. There is only GOD's spiritual law. Moral law is an invention of fallen man to subvert, gut and ignore GOD's spiritual law, which has very severe penalties for disobedience. Men seek to avoid the condemnation of GOD's spiritual law my co-opting it and transforming it into something that matches their imagined level of obedience, and call it GOD's moral law. An example of this is saying that GOD's moral law is 9, but not 10, commandments.

GOD's spiritual law requires perfect righteousness. There is only one way to attain that: faith in the son of GOD and loving one's neighbor as one's self.

Hello,

Great acknowledgements.

The Word that is for our times is what the Apostles preach.

Their interpretation of Moses is our accepted teaching.

Righteousnss entails righteous acts like Jesus did.

Our faith in Jesus causes us to go directly to him.
He (= the hand of GOD) makes us into the spontaneous woshippers in Spirit and truth.

Keep well,

 

[Isdaniel]

Hello,

You have great zeal.

I love it .....

If I may respectfully remind:

The Word from GOD for >> our times << came with Christ >> the Apostles >> worldwide.

If we stick to their word then we are not back with Moses.
We must know our GOD sent teachers.
Moses was sent to the nation of Israel exclusively.
Jesus was physically sent to Israel only.

Rom.15
[8] Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of/ for the circumcision (Israelites)
for the truth of God,
to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
[9] And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written,
For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

The Gentiles got Paul to explain, teach and connect them to the invisible Christ.

Here is how our Apostle Paul summed up the BIG 10.

Rom.13
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore >> love is the fulfilling of the law.

No Day is mentioned because GOD's TRUE worshippers
are spontaneous worshippers in Spirit and in Truth.

I truly hope that I did understand what your lesson was.

Faith without works is dead.

We are useless to each other if we cannot edify each other in the unbiased truth.

May he acknowledge your zeal.

Take care.

Could you explain why you said that no day is mentioned are you syaing that we do not have to keep the sabbath

thank you

 

[Isdaniel]

If I'm not wrong, the Law of Moses says an eye for an eye, and tooth for tooth. Jesus told us to forgive each other, this is love. If people side with the law of moses, how does these two "conflicting" commandment settle grounds? There is a law of spirit and law of moses. There was a typology mediator between Israel and God, named Moses, now there is a mediator between man and God, Jesus. One pointed to the greater, the greater fulfilled the first.

Leviticus 24:19-20
Matthew 5:38-42

What is the law of moses ? Could ou define it ?

 

[homwardbound]

Imagine a world where everyone obeyed this law. It would be like heaven.

And no one can unless God's Spirit is in the lead, as was in Christ, whom he sent to us after his risen resurrection.
Hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to live in us hidden and we work at doing what is right?
Or do we give up, our old self become hidden and God in the lead, where I think then one might be free from stress, and self-righteousness, maybe. You all decide flesh efforts or the Spirit of God in the lead?

 

[Bryancampbell]

What is the law of moses ? Could ou define it ?

Law given to Moses for the people Israel.

 

[Isdaniel]

Law given to Moses for the people Israel.

What law is it the ten commandements ?

 

[Bryancampbell]

That is incorrect hmmmm alot of people say the law of Moses is done away but they do not even know what is the law of Moses

So the law of Moses isn't the law of God given to Moses on mount Sinai for the people of Israel? Please elaborate. The law is broken into many parts, please elaborate on this.

 

[homwardbound]

Hello,

Great acknowledgements.

The Word that is for our times is what the Apostles preach.

Their interpretation of Moses is our accepted teaching.

Righteousnss entails righteous acts like Jesus did.

Our faith in Jesus causes us to go directly to him.
He (= the hand of GOD) makes us into the spontaneous woshippers in Spirit and truth.

Keep well,

So then it is not us then that do the work then is it? It id God through us for a man does not put his lamp under the lampstand for no one to see does he?
Christ is the lamp and is the lead through the Holy Ghost in the lead, me out of the way to watch the amazing works of God
Could this be what God came to do? We stop our self-righteous works of condemnation to others? No not flesh ever unless one decides to go into the ground like a seed does and dies before it can have life, as Christ showed us through his death and resurrection for us
hope and pray you get this or already got this, which I suspect you might have gotten this already, trusting God to cause
each one of us that believe To Stand. The ones that believe can only be waterers and or planters, for it is God that gives the increase, not man

 

[Isdaniel]

So the law of Moses isn't the law of God given to Moses on mount Sinai for the people of Israel? Please elaborate. The law is broken into many parts, please elaborate on this.

Are you speaking about the commandments at mount sinai? What do you mean it was broken up into many parts ?

 

[Bryancampbell]

Are you speaking about the commandments at mount sinai? What do you mean it was broken up into many parts ?

There is a priesthood that requires the law to exist, to operate, to function. The Levitical priesthood can only be administered to those of the lineage of Levi. You can't be a priest any other way through this system. Jesus came in through a different priesthood, undefiled. He is not a Levi, thus cannot operate as a any priest according to the law. He is of the tribe of Judah. That's why He came through the order of the priesthood of melchizedek, who was a priest not according to the law of Moses. It didn't exist then. Once Jesus became High Priest, then there is a new system of law for that priesthood. Since Jesus doesn't operate as a Levite priest, that is binded to the law. He has fulfilled the typology of it. Operates in a whole new system. We are under this new system. The law of Christ.

 

[homwardbound]

[h=3]To all to consider what is truth and what IS not?

Romans 5[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

5 So now, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith in his promises, we can have real peace with him because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. [SUP]2[/SUP]For because of our faith, he has brought us into this place of highest privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to actually becoming all that God has had in mind for us to be.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]We can rejoice, too, when we run into problems and trials, for we know that they are good for us—they help us learn to be patient. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And patience develops strength of character in us and helps us trust God more each time we use it until finally our hope and faith are strong and steady. [SUP]5[/SUP]Then, when that happens, we are able to hold our heads high no matter what happens and know that all is well, for we know how dearly God loves us, and we feel this warm love everywhere within us because God has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love.
[SUP]6[/SUP]When we were utterly helpless, with no way of escape, Christ came at just the right time and died for us sinners who had no use for him. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even if we were good, we really wouldn’t expect anyone to die for us, though, of course, that might be barely possible. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And since by his blood he did all this for us as sinners, how much more will he do for us now that he has declared us not guilty? Now he will save us from all of God’s wrath to come. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And since, when we were his enemies, we were brought back to God by the death of his Son, what blessings he must have for us now that we are his friends and he is living within us!
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now we rejoice in our wonderful new relationship with God—all because of what our Lord Jesus Christ has done in dying for our sins—making us friends of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. His sin spread death throughout all the world, so everything began to grow old and die,[SUP][a][/SUP] for all sinned. [SUP]13 [/SUP]We know that it was Adam’s sin that caused this[SUP][b][/SUP] because although, of course, people were sinning from the time of Adam until Moses, God did not in those days judge them guilty of death for breaking his laws—because he had not yet given his laws to them nor told them what he wanted them to do. [SUP]14 [/SUP]So when their bodies died it was not for their own sins[SUP][c][/SUP] since they themselves had never disobeyed God’s special law against eating the forbidden fruit, as Adam had.
What a contrast between Adam and Christ who was yet to come! [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what a difference between man’s sin and God’s forgiveness!





Is it time to receive this 100% forgiveness from God through Christ and respond in thanksgiving and praise so much. where there is no time for sin anymore? No laws to get in the way of Love?
Something to think about, did Christ by his death do this what is said below:
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Can anyone improve on perfection, the same as 100% of us die, can that be improved?
So are we to die right here and now daily with Christ's death to flesh being our death in our mindset to flesh? And then we might through death to self see the new life given to us by God the Father at the resurrected Christ maybe? You all decide, what is it God does want us to do, believe God or self? to please God in self efforts and or others here on earth, as this is what we are taught form birth on are we not? Is this world at enmity with God?

 

[homwardbound]

There is a priesthood that requires the law to exist, to operate, to function. The Levitical priesthood can only be administered to those of the lineage of Levi. You can't be a priest any other way through this system. Jesus came in through a different priesthood, undefiled. He is not a Levi, thus cannot operate as a any priest according to the law. He is of the tribe of Judah. That's why He came through the order of the priesthood of melchizedek, who was a priest not according to the law of Moses. It didn't exist then. Once Jesus became High Priest, then there is a new system of law for that priesthood. Since Jesus doesn't operate as a Levite priest, that is binded to the law. He has fulfilled the typology of it. Operates in a whole new system. We are under this new system. The law of Christ.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to that Bryan Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no like button to push available, Thanks for that truth and the Scriptures that show what you said are Hebrews 9:15-17. and Hebrews 7:11-12
New Covenant , new Priesthood and new law

 

[wordsponge]

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to that Bryan Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no like button to push available, Thanks for that truth and the Scriptures that show what you said are Hebrews 9:15-17. and Hebrews 7:11-12
New Covenant , new Priesthood and new law

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Hello all,

Thanks for the great edification.....

It is beneficial for us and our unity to acknowlwdge our New Priests under our New High Priest.

2 Cor.3
[5] Not that we (Apostles) are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves;
but our sufficiency is of God;
[6] Who also hath made us able Ministers of the New Testament;
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Cor.4
[1] Let a man so account of us (Apostles), as of the ministers of Christ,
and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Isa.61
[6] But ye (Apostles) shall be named the Priests of the LORD:
men shall call you the Ministers of our God:
you shall eat the (spititual) riches of the Gentiles,
and in their (the Gentiles') glorification you shall boast yourselves.

Then we restore the correct, instantly, effectve, baptism method.

Go with great zeal >>>>>

 

[wordsponge]

Imagine a world where everyone obeyed this law. It would be like heaven.

Hello,

Nice picture.

It begins with the STRENGTENED and QUICKENED ONES.

Correct return (= baptism) is essential.

Keep well

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There is a priesthood that requires the law to exist, to operate, to function. The Levitical priesthood can only be administered to those of the lineage of Levi. You can't be a priest any other way through this system. Jesus came in through a different priesthood, undefiled. He is not a Levi, thus cannot operate as a any priest according to the law. He is of the tribe of Judah. That's why He came through the order of the priesthood of melchizedek, who was a priest not according to the law of Moses. It didn't exist then. Once Jesus became High Priest, then there is a new system of law for that priesthood. Since Jesus doesn't operate as a Levite priest, that is binded to the law. He has fulfilled the typology of it. Operates in a whole new system. We are under this new system. The law of Christ.

Agreed. The priesthood and law are inseparable.

 

[wordsponge]

Could you explain why you said that no day is mentioned are you syaing that we do not have to keep the sabbath

thank you

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Hello my brother,

The Word of God for >> our times << came from GOD >> Christ >> the Apostles >> until Christ returns.

We accept our Ministers and follow their teachings or get CONFOUNDED and perish.

Moses, in entirety, has not application to us.

When Moses say " Hear O (nation of ) Israel.
Then the nation of Israel MUST become attentive not the Christians of Christ.

The Apostles' interpretation of Moses we accept and follow
or we find ourselves teaching the Ministers of GOD.

Also spontaneous worshippers who worship, Our Father, in Spirit and in Truth do not need a day or setting.

Our rest/ Sabbath has become our attachment to Christ who safely carries and delivers us.

Christianity has to be experienced and is Spiritual as opposed to Judaism.

Nice hearing from you.

We have a great fight for our people.

Many powerful in this world know what the true stakes are.

Keep well.

 

[wordsponge]

So then it is not us then that do the work then is it? It id God through us for a man does not put his lamp under the lampstand for no one to see does he?
Christ is the lamp and is the lead through the Holy Ghost in the lead, me out of the way to watch the amazing works of God
Could this be what God came to do? We stop our self-righteous works of condemnation to others? No not flesh ever unless one decides to go into the ground like a seed does and dies before it can have life, as Christ showed us through his death and resurrection for us
hope and pray you get this or already got this, which I suspect you might have gotten this already, trusting God to cause
each one of us that believe To Stand. The ones that believe can only be waterers and or planters, for it is God that gives the increase, not man

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Hello my friend,

We are the desire of GOD, our Father and the Work of his hand = Jesus, through the Spirit.

I know of only ONE way to make contact with Christ and that is through CORRECT baptism.
Anything short of that is people believing and saving themselves ....Frustrating and impossible.


Keep well