What Laws are still valid to christians
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Hi, all of God's law is valid to me. I know I am saved in Jesus name, for what He did and can not obey law in my flesh. That does not mean that I disregard all law, for it is useful in my understanding of my sin. Whether we try to obey any of God's law should be a personal choice.
Was Paul's words God's law? Or was it instruction to bring about order in a particular situation? I don't know the answer to that, but I know that I don't know. All the years I've heard arguments both for and against. The arguing seems wrong to me, that much I know.
Was Paul's words God's law? Or was it instruction to bring about order in a particular situation? I don't know the answer to that, but I know that I don't know. All the years I've heard arguments both for and against. The arguing seems wrong to me, that much I know.
Hello brother,
If I may:
Under the New Covenant the New People are taught to Love and to do Good
as opposed to Hatred and Doing evil.
Any teaching that is contained in any part of the O.T. that promotes such things
are carried over, by Jesus and the Apostles to the New People.
Jesus our Shapherd's explanation should clear up the matter.
Matt.13
[52] Then said he unto them,
Therefore every scribe who is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man who is an householder,
who brings forth out of his treasure things/ Teachings >> New and >> Old.
Christians are Spirit led and not of the Old creation.
Things are designed to CONFOUND the uncooperative/ disobedient ones.
We must have the respect fro GOD and his Ministers to MOVE when it is time to move.
At present we are required to move to the Apostles and especially the baptism that everyone argues over.
The 'little ones' of GOD are dear obedient children who are loved.
Christ brought the New Covenant.
What is any enlightened person doing wondering about Moses ???
Take care my brother,
If I may:
Under the New Covenant the New People are taught to Love and to do Good
as opposed to Hatred and Doing evil.
Any teaching that is contained in any part of the O.T. that promotes such things
are carried over, by Jesus and the Apostles to the New People.
Jesus our Shapherd's explanation should clear up the matter.
Matt.13
[52] Then said he unto them,
Therefore every scribe who is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man who is an householder,
who brings forth out of his treasure things/ Teachings >> New and >> Old.
Christians are Spirit led and not of the Old creation.
Things are designed to CONFOUND the uncooperative/ disobedient ones.
We must have the respect fro GOD and his Ministers to MOVE when it is time to move.
At present we are required to move to the Apostles and especially the baptism that everyone argues over.
The 'little ones' of GOD are dear obedient children who are loved.
Christ brought the New Covenant.
What is any enlightened person doing wondering about Moses ???
Take care my brother,
one can be baptise properly and still lost
[h=3]1 Corinthians 10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
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Hello brother,
Firstly are you talking Spiritually or Literally?
We are taught to do good like Christ, our example.
There is no better example than the king of Righteousness
who left a much better life and environment to come among criminals ....
Acts 10
[38] GOD anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about DOING GOOD ,
and healing all that were oppressed of the devil (the ruling class)
for GOD was with him.
Is is better on the other side of CORRECT baptism.
You can be an asset to others ....
In some sense, to a degree, GOD has given us the concern and the burden to save eachother...
Keep well
It is our New Nature as the New Creation.
Whether it is in the Bible or not is in our minds as Christ has placed it by the Spirit.
Hello brother,
Firstly are you talking Spiritually or Literally?
We are taught to do good like Christ, our example.
There is no better example than the king of Righteousness
who left a much better life and environment to come among criminals ....
Acts 10
[38] GOD anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about DOING GOOD ,
and healing all that were oppressed of the devil (the ruling class)
for GOD was with him.
Is is better on the other side of CORRECT baptism.
You can be an asset to others ....
In some sense, to a degree, GOD has given us the concern and the burden to save eachother...
Keep well
It is our New Nature as the New Creation.
Whether it is in the Bible or not is in our minds as Christ has placed it by the Spirit.
I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD FORGET
ABOUT SOLOMON PROVERBS AS WELL AND ONLY LEAN ON JESUS
ABOUT SOLOMON PROVERBS AS WELL AND ONLY LEAN ON JESUS
Do you think that that Solomon is greater and wiser than Jesus?
Matt.12
[42] The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation,
and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold, a GREATOR than Solomon is here.
My brother, when you get the real dope on Jesus
you will find that he is the Creator, Former and Maker of Solomon.
If you can learn from Solomon by all means do so.
Jeus always keep in mind that we love and do good as opposed to hating and doing evil.
Here is where Jesus will slot you:
Luke. 5
[37] And no man putteth new wine into old bottles;
else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
[38] But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
[39] No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new:
for he saith, The >>> OLD is better.
All said in respect and well meaning.
Seek GRACE that Jesus and GOD worked out for us.
Don't be doubtful and underestimate GOD of his selested Savior.
Think profoundly.
Hanging with you.
Hello brother,
Remember the rule we go by: If it's GOOD do it.
So if you find teachings make you good then keep them.
3 John.1
[11] Beloved, follow not that which is >> evil, but that which is >> good.
He that doeth >> good is of God: but he that doeth >> evil hath not seen God.
Israelites under the law were waiting for Christ to save them.
At present a person is either a new creature or the perishing, creation.
Gal.6
[14] But God forbid that I should glory (BOAST),
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me,
and I unto the world.
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision,
but a >> new creature.
We are into phase #2 the Spiritual man.
When we read things that are written to the BAPTIZED/ RETUTNED
Spiritual creation we are out of our league.
We must start right .....
With you as long as you are with yourself.
Sme steps for each man... no difference.
Remember the rule we go by: If it's GOOD do it.
So if you find teachings make you good then keep them.
3 John.1
[11] Beloved, follow not that which is >> evil, but that which is >> good.
He that doeth >> good is of God: but he that doeth >> evil hath not seen God.
Israelites under the law were waiting for Christ to save them.
At present a person is either a new creature or the perishing, creation.
Gal.6
[14] But God forbid that I should glory (BOAST),
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me,
and I unto the world.
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision,
but a >> new creature.
We are into phase #2 the Spiritual man.
When we read things that are written to the BAPTIZED/ RETUTNED
Spiritual creation we are out of our league.
We must start right .....
With you as long as you are with yourself.
Sme steps for each man... no difference.
Hello brother,
John.4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers shall worship the Father >> in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
That is a Spirit led experience.
You will always have many questions until you participate.
Natural >> Spiritual.....Huge change but the natural man cannot understand until he converts.
Still holding with you.
John.4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers shall worship the Father >> in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
That is a Spirit led experience.
You will always have many questions until you participate.
Natural >> Spiritual.....Huge change but the natural man cannot understand until he converts.
Still holding with you.
Your doctrine is false:
If it were true we would have NO PART in the new/renewed covenant, as it is for "the house of Israel"
Jeremiah 31:33, "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."
Thank Yahweh we are a part of what Yahweh has to offer and always has been.
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
You see gentiles were allowed from the beginning.
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
And it was not as "Jewish proselytes" that is a made up theological cemetery LIE. Unless you believe them over the Scriptures:
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Scripture even tells us that "OLD NASTY JEW SABBATH" was always for Hebrews and gentiles and a GREAT BLESSING to ALL mankind.
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
However there is a dividing line...
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Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of Yahweh, I will also forget your children."
If it were true we would have NO PART in the new/renewed covenant, as it is for "the house of Israel"
Jeremiah 31:33, "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."
Thank Yahweh we are a part of what Yahweh has to offer and always has been.
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
You see gentiles were allowed from the beginning.
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
And it was not as "Jewish proselytes" that is a made up theological cemetery LIE. Unless you believe them over the Scriptures:
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Scripture even tells us that "OLD NASTY JEW SABBATH" was always for Hebrews and gentiles and a GREAT BLESSING to ALL mankind.
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
However there is a dividing line...
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Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of Yahweh, I will also forget your children."
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The Ten Commandment Law of God (Isaiah 5:24) was written by God ON STONE (Exodus 31:18; 32:16) and placed inside the Ark (Exodus 40:20) and were called the Testimony (Exodus 25:16,21; 31:7, 18; 32:15,16) and even the ark of his testament is seen in heaven (Rev. 11:19; 15:5) also the law was sealed among the disciples of Jesus (Isaiah 8:16, see verse 20) and points out sin (Romans 3:20; 7:7) and is not grevious (1 John 5:3) and is call the Royal Law (James 2:8) which judges ALL MEN (James 2:10-12) and is Spiritual (Romans 7:4) and also brings blessings and peace (Proverbs 29:18; Psalms119:165) and is Perfect (Psalms 19:7) and above all is ETERNAL (Matthew 5:17-19) whereas The Law Of Moses (Luke 2:22; 1 Cor 9:9) was written by Moses IN A BOOK (Deut 31:24; 2 Chron 35:12) and was PLACED BY THE SIDE OF THE ARK (Deut 31:26) and was added because of sin (Gal 3:19) and it was this law that was contrary to us (Col 2:14) called the law that contained ordinances (Eph 2:15) and judges no man (Col 2:14-16) and is also a carnal law (Heb 7:16) and even contained curses (Deut 29:20,21; Gal 3:1) and made nothing perfect (Heb 7:19) it was temporary (Col 2:14; Heb 8:14)
NOW, DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR ANYTHING, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A VERY WISE THING TO DO! BUT GET OUT THAT BIBLE AND BLOW THE DUST OFF OF IT AND STUDY IT, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!
NOW, DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR ANYTHING, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A VERY WISE THING TO DO! BUT GET OUT THAT BIBLE AND BLOW THE DUST OFF OF IT AND STUDY IT, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!
The Law of Mosheh was Commanded by Yahweh
Malakyah 4:4, "Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
Also the Messiah says He will reject people for doing things not condemned in the "10 Commandments" but condemned in other parts of the Law of Yahweh.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Malakyah 4:4, "Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
Also the Messiah says He will reject people for doing things not condemned in the "10 Commandments" but condemned in other parts of the Law of Yahweh.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."