Pre Trib Rapture Moment 11: What will trigger the rapture?

[ChristIsLord229]

Why do you think the 144K are in heaven? FYI, they are not necessarily literal virgins, they are spiritual virgins meaning they have never followed false gods, religions or doctrines like the Pre-Trib Rapture lie of Satan. I agree, they are from all over the world and may not be obvious Jews to those who see them. They might not even know they are of Jewish descent; in fact I bet most haven't a clue.

Understanding first that Revelation 1-11 and 12-22 are the same story repeated twice will help you to put the book in the proper order it goes, so, the 144000 are in Rev 7 an 14. introduced in 7 with some description, then talked about again in 14 in greater detail as to where they are and what they are going to be used for.


Rev 14 takes places in heaven:


Rev 14:

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:


We know its in heaven because the Mount Sion that is being talked about is:


Hebrews 12:[SUP]22 [/SUP]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,


And they are singing a song that no one knows, before the throne of God, that is in heaven:


Rev 14:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.


The order is, first the 144000 are sealed in heaven, THEN a great multitude is in heaven (the raptured)
The sequence is true in chapter 7 and 14.


Rev 7:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Rev 14:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.


Who are those in the white robes:


[SUP]7:13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


I can do a thread on the format of Revelations, if youre interested.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

if the 144000 are of the first fruits, how can they also be of the first resurrection when those are two different events?

Rev 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Why do you think the 144K are in heaven? FYI, they are not necessarily literal virgins, they are spiritual virgins meaning they have never followed false gods, religions or doctrines like the Pre-Trib Rapture lie of Satan. I agree, they are from all over the world and may not be obvious Jews to those who see them. They might not even know they are of Jewish descent; in fact I bet most haven't a clue.

Plain, why Don't you just read the passage literally and Stop trying to spiritualize what you don't understand.

The 144,000 Jews from the twelve tribes of the Children of Israel are literal virgins.

I don't see any place in Scripture that teaches other wise.

So stop adding in your private interpretation, would you?


The 144,000 Jews will be spreading the Gospel in the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), which will take place after the rapture of the body of Christ.

 

[zone]

The 144,000 Jews will be spreading the Gospel in the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), which will take place after the rapture of the body of Christ.

nonsense.

so stop adding in your private interpretation, would you?

thanks.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

The 144,000 Jews will be spreading the Gospel in the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), which will take place after the rapture of the body of Christ.

This is not biblical at all. Where does that fit in with all the verses on the 144000?? They are not even jews, They are from the original 12 tribes who werent even called Jews at that time. They became Jews after the tribes broke up and were mingled with heathens. Have you ever read Joshua??

 

[ChosenbyHim]

nonsense.
.

No it is not.

The Bible teaches that the 144,000 Jews from the twelve tribes will be virgins.


Revelation 14:1-5 KJV
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. [2] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: [3] And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. [4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. [5] And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

This is not biblical at all. Where does that fit in with all the verses on the 144000?? They are not even jews, They are from the original 12 tribes who werent even called Jews at that time. They became Jews after the tribes broke up and were mingled with heathens. Have you ever read Joshua??

They are clearly Jews. All you need to do is read Revelation 7.

But if you don't want to call them Jews, then you can call them Israelites.

And yes I have read Joshua.

And yes there will be a pretrib. Rapture that takes place before Daniel's 70th week begins.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

They are clearly Jews. All you need to do is read Revelation 7.

But if you don't want to call them Jews, then you can call them Israelites.
.

Of course you believe they are called Jews you have a false bible translation..

Uh, if you read and understood the book of Joshua, how did you miss the part that Jews and Israelite are two different groups of people?

 

[PlainWord]

I didn't say we were in the "great" tribulation. I said we are in the tribulation as described by Matthew in how they point to Lo here is Christ or there... reference.

There is tribulation wherein is the falling away from the faith which is happening now in all of those "movements of the 'Spirit" and then there is the great tribulation wherein is the hour of trial that shall try all upon the earth by taking or not taking the mark of the beast to survive & go to the kae of fire or to die and gain Christ.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. But you are still wrong about there being a Rapture before the Tribulation. The Lord tells us he is coming "Immediately after" the tribulation yet you think He is coming before but just forgot to tell us about it or didn't know. Either way I find it incredible that so many professing Christians don't believe our Lord and Savior's clear teaching and instead devise a new teaching that He did not teach.

 

[PlainWord]

Absolutely.


One day I was dating a girl, and asked if she was a virgin.

She said, "YES! Yes I am a virgin!"

I said, "That's wonderful. What wonderful integrity, and character, and pureness of heart!"

Then she said, "Oh, I didn't mean a LITERAL VIRGIN!!!
Of course I've had sex with lots of horrible dirty men.
In fact, I still have sex with horrible dirty men every single day!!
I'm a SPIRITUAL VIRGIN.
That just means I've never worshipped a false God."

I looked up into her crazed, deluded eyes, and finally said,
"Ya know, that whole SPIRITUAL VIRGIN thing really isn't helping your case any."

: )

Nice analogy, a bit condescending but that's fine. Your eyes are closed, plain and simple. Have you bothered to read on in Revelation 17:5???

5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

So if you are correct about using the literal meaning then Babylon the Great is the Top Madam of the Top Cat House on Earth, right?

John is using the same symbolism throughout. If you can't see that you can go ahead thinking the 144K are a bunch of snotty nosed, zit-faced 12 year old Jewish dorks. You probably also think John is describing real Horses and riders in the first 4 seals and that in the trumpets we have mountains being cast into the sea killing 1/3 of this and that, with stars falling from heaven, 1/3 of the trees being burned up along with all the grass in the first trumpet then apparently the grass all grows back by the 5th trumpet. You see Planet X or some other mysterious UFO poisoning the waters and you see something actually striking the sun, moon and stars and darkening them by 1/3.

You see things this way because you don't understand Biblical symbolism. To you a mountain is a mountain and not a nation. The seas are literal seas and not the people of the earth, etc. etc. Good luck trying to figure things out my friend as your intelligence is so vastly superior and I'm not worthy to even respond or question your great wisdom and divine insight.

 

[PlainWord]

Plain, why Don't you just read the passage literally and Stop trying to spiritualize what you don't understand.

The 144,000 Jews from the twelve tribes of the Children of Israel are literal virgins.

I don't see any place in Scripture that teaches other wise.

So stop adding in your private interpretation, would you?


The 144,000 Jews will be spreading the Gospel in the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week), which will take place after the rapture of the body of Christ.

hahaha. That's pretty funny. I can't wait to see the look on yours and Maxwel's face when you find out how foolish you've both been. Jesus tells us he's coming AFTER the Tribulation and you think he comes before. Then you think the 144K are literal virgins when "harlotry" is equated to idolatry by John everywhere else in Revelation.

 

[PlainWord]

Of course you believe they are called Jews you have a false bible translation..

Uh, if you read and understood the book of Joshua, how did you miss the part that Jews and Israelite are two different groups of people?

Finally someone else is taking Chosen on, haha. He's a nice guy, but has been drinking this Rapture Kool aide far too long. Not meaning to pick on you Brother Chosen but when you start a thread asking if Post-Tribbers are saved, you kinda asked for it.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

hahaha. That's pretty funny. I can't wait to see the look on yours and Maxwel's face when you find out how foolish you've both been. Jesus tells us he's coming AFTER the Tribulation and you think he comes before. Then you think the 144K are literal virgins when "harlotry" is equated to idolatry by John everywhere else in Revelation.

I don't see what is so funny plain.


I just take what the Bible says literally.


And of course; unless where Scripture indicates otherwise. The Scripture interprets itself. And the passages that are truly meant to be taken in a spiritual or allegorical sense, well the context of the Scripture will indicate that.


Also Plain, again, you need to understand that Matthew up until the crucifixion is doctrinally in the Old Testament. If you don't believe that, then just read Hebrews 9.


Paul never tells us to look for the tribulation. We are told to look for the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Tim. 4:8, Titus 2:13)

 

[konroh]

Plain, part of the problem with your theory is that it's self-refuting, as I've already pointed out. If you are correct about the post-trib Rapture as you see it, and you convince all Christians of its truth, then you have no pre-trib believers to be martyred in your theory. If I come over to your way of thinking, and so does everybody, you have no theory. I find it very difficult to believe that God would work this way. God's plan would still have to work even if every Christian truly believed the truth of His word as you understand it.

Secondly, if we aren't raptured pre-trib, which event we all agree is a miraculous involuntary thing, why would we suddenly be disillusioned and believe in a false Christ? I don't feel I will have a choice as to whether I'm Raptured or not, it will either happen to me or it won't. (Sorry Enow, I don't believe the Rapture is only for the worthy). If it doesn't, there's no way I'll believe in a false Christ, I'll know I'm in the tribulation, and Christ will only come miraculously to take me away or He'll come victoriously to vanquish all His enemies or as you think, both.

 

[PlainWord]

I don't see what is so funny plain.


I just take what the Bible says literally.


And of course; unless where Scripture indicates otherwise. The Scripture interprets itself. And the passages that are truly meant to be taken in a spiritual or allegorical sense, well the context of the Scripture will indicate that.


Also Plain, again, you need to understand that Matthew up until the crucifixion is doctrinally in the Old Testament. If you don't believe that, then just read Hebrews 9.


Paul never tells us to look for the tribulation. We are told to look for the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Tim. 4:8, Titus 2:13)

My dear friend you never cease to amaze me. What relevance would Matthew being doctrinally in the OT have with to do with the Rapture, assuming it even is? The Olivet Discourse is also found in Mark and Luke so they must be "doctrinally" in the OT as well? By even making such a comment you must be one of those who think the OT has no relevance to today's Christian and can be basically ignored? Then you can also assign some NT books to the OT and ignore them as well?

Paul warns us implicitly to "NOT BE DECEIVED" as to the order in which Christ and the Man of Sin (Abomination) appear in 2 Thes 2 so to say Paul doesn't tell us to look for the tribulation is naive and incorrect. But you are correct, Paul does tell us to look for the Lord Jesus Christ and when does Paul say He comes, AFTER the tribulation so Paul agrees with Jesus in this and the tribulation is a big sign of His future return.

FYI, you don't take the scripture literally at all. The Lord says "AFTER" and you apply a man-made Dispensational theory and teach the Lord comes "BEFORE." You take the literal teaching of everything related to the Lord's return illiterately twisting the scriptures to fit your belief system of a Pre-Trib Rapture.

 

[PlainWord]

Plain, part of the problem with your theory is that it's self-refuting, as I've already pointed out. If you are correct about the post-trib Rapture as you see it, and you convince all Christians of its truth, then you have no pre-trib believers to be martyred in your theory. If I come over to your way of thinking, and so does everybody, you have no theory. I find it very difficult to believe that God would work this way. God's plan would still have to work even if every Christian truly believed the truth of His word as you understand it.

Secondly, if we aren't raptured pre-trib, which event we all agree is a miraculous involuntary thing, why would we suddenly be disillusioned and believe in a false Christ? I don't feel I will have a choice as to whether I'm Raptured or not, it will either happen to me or it won't. (Sorry Enow, I don't believe the Rapture is only for the worthy). If it doesn't, there's no way I'll believe in a false Christ, I'll know I'm in the tribulation, and Christ will only come miraculously to take me away or He'll come victoriously to vanquish all His enemies or as you think, both.

You are absolutely correct and I agree 100% with your statement in bold. Still God wants His children to be warned, to have every chance to come around and reject false teaching. But you are right, my efforts are not bearing much fruit although one young Christian has come around but "mature" Christians seem hopelessly lost on this issue.

Our Father gives us free choice. He tells us the truth. It is up to us whether or not we follow His Word or go running off with the deceptions of the evil one. Still, He is long suffering and patient not willing that any should perish (I mean this in a physical sense, not that you will lose salvation). If you read Job and Revelation, you understand that Satan is in heaven accusing us day and night. He is about to be kicked down to earth. The Father will allow Satan to test or tempt the earth - that's a fact!! He allowed Satan to tempt His own Son so you can bet He will allow us to be tested too.

I understand you see the Rapture as an involuntary thing. But we are not taught that it is involuntary, just that the angels are sent to gather us. So what if an "angel" appears and asks you to follow him to the Rapture? Do you go? How do you know which Christ this angel works for? If you think the Rapture comes first and a supernatural being claiming to be sent by Christ appears to you and offers to take you to meet Jesus, don't you go? I bet you do because you have the order wrong. Satan can't just kill us, he needs permission. We need to fail the test for God to allow it, that's how I read Isaiah 65 and Rev 7.

 

[AppleMelon]

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 - "51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

An angel won't come and ask you whether you want to get raptured or not. If you're saved, you'll be changed in a moment, there isn't a time where an angel asks whether you want to go through the time of Jacob's trouble or not. Think about it, the Rapture for the bride of Christ, so that they won't get God's wrath poured out on them, so why would someone want to go through the time where they can lose their salvation. Moreover, Christians are sealed until the day of redemption, therefore they can't go through a time where it's possible for them to lose their salvation. Do you believe that Christians can lose their salvation then?

Jeremiah 30:7 describes who the main focus of the 70th week of Daniel is for -

Jeremiah 30:7 - "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

The time of Jacob's trouble isn't for the church, but for the Jews; for Israel.

 

[konroh]

I believe that even the reference to the angels gathering the saints at the end of the Tribulation is an involuntary action. This is what Jesus was referring to when He told the parable of the wheat and the weeds. The angels will more easily sort it out at the end of the age, it's not a voluntary asking. The picture we have of the angels gathering is also NOT one of resurrection--only gathering. The angels do not have power to resurrect, only gather. We have the power to reject a false Christ, the angels are only recognizing those who are saints. They aren't asking if you are a saint! They are recognizing and gathering the wheat from the weeds.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

My dear friend you never cease to amaze me. What relevance would Matthew being doctrinally in the OT have with to do with the Rapture, assuming it even is? The Olivet Discourse is also found in Mark and Luke so they must be "doctrinally" in the OT as well? By even making such a comment you must be one of those who think the OT has no relevance to today's Christian and can be basically ignored? Then you can also assign some NT books to the OT and ignore them as well?

Yes, the Gospels up until the Crucifixion are doctrinally in the Old Testament. Here is why I say that:



11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. - Hebrews 9:11-18 (Holy Bible)



The New Testament began and came into effect at the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross.



Here is more Scriptural proof that the Gospels up until the crucifixion are doctrinally in the Old Testament:



3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them. - Matthew 8:3-4 (Holy Bible)




From the Scripture above (Matt. 8:3-4), we see that while Jesus was fulfilling His three and a half year Ministry on Earth at His first coming, that the Jews were still under the Mosaic Law. Matthew 8:3-4 clearly indicates this.



Here is another passage of Scripture that shows that the Gospels up until the crucifixion are doctrinally in the Old Testament:



10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power againstunclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus, whose surname was Thaddæus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. - Matthew 10:1-7 (Holy Bible)



Up until the crucifixion, the Gospel which our Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles preached was the Gospel of the Kingdom.


Today, we do not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.


The Gospel we preach today is the Gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24). Which is also known as the Gospel of the Death, Burial, and Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:1-6).


Also notice from Matthew 10, that the apostles are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to not go into the way of the Gentiles or in any city of the Samaritans.


But they were commanded to only go to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.


They were clearly still in the Old Testament; under the Mosaic Law.


Plain, It's that simple. You are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15).

Paul warns us implicitly to "NOT BE DECEIVED" as to the order in which Christ and the Man of Sin (Abomination) appear in 2 Thes 2 so to say Paul doesn't tell us to look for the tribulation is naive and incorrect. But you are correct, Paul does tell us to look for the Lord Jesus Christ and when does Paul say He comes, AFTER the tribulation so Paul agrees with Jesus in this and the tribulation is a big sign of His future return.

Paul exhorts us to look for Jesus Christ.

Not the Tribulation.


Also the body of Christ is in Heaven during the time of Jacob's trouble:


19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 for true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. - Revelation 19:1-16 (Holy Bible)



The body of Christ (Bride of the Lamb) are in Heaven at the very beginning of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And then afterward, we (the Bride of Christ) come back with Jesus Christ to the Earth at His Second Coming (Rev. 19:14).

FYI, you don't take the scripture literally at all. The Lord says "AFTER" and you apply a man-made Dispensational theory and teach the Lord comes "BEFORE." You take the literal teaching of everything related to the Lord's return illiterately twisting the scriptures to fit your belief system of a Pre-Trib Rapture.

No Plain, you twist the Scriptures to fit your false post trib. doctrine.


The body of Christ (Bride of the Lamb) are clearly in Heaven with Jesus Christ during the time of Jacob's trouble (see Rev. 19).

 

[LT]

The body of Christ (Bride of the Lamb) are in Heaven at the very beginning of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And then afterward, we (the Bride of Christ) come back with Jesus Christ to the Earth at His Second Coming (Rev. 19:14).

No Plain, you twist the Scriptures to fit your false post trib. doctrine.

The body of Christ (Bride of the Lamb) are clearly in Heaven with Jesus Christ during the time of Jacob's trouble (see Rev. 19).

Are you making the assumption that the 'roar that sounded like a great multitude' is the Church? If so, you must remedy why they are proclaiming the Marriage Supper of the Lamb as coming at the 2nd Advent of Christ at the end of the Trib. Why wouldn't they be proclaiming that the Marriage Supper had just ended, and now they were on their way back to earth? According to your view, wouldn't the marriage supper be during the 7 year tribulation?

Scripture says we will be 'changed' instantly when we are caught up and/or raised from the dead. It also says we will meet Him in the clouds. Sounds like He's coming down, we meet up with Him, and we are instantly changed into the Armies of Heaven clothed in white.