What is Dispensationalism?

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess I should have specified.....specifically, what particular people was this covenant made to?

I will just let scripture speak for itself.

gen 13
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; [SUP]15 [/SUP]for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants also could be numbered. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Arise, walk in the land through its length and its width, for I give it to you.”

Gen 17: [SUP]19 [/SUP]Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.

ex 3 : . [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I have come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and large land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites.

Josh 1 1 After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, it came to pass that the Lord spoke to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, saying: [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Moses My servant is dead. Now therefore, arise, go over this Jordan, you and all this people, to the land which I am giving to them—the children of Israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I recommend you try learning about something before making false statements about it. Try Wikipedia for example:

learn something? Wikepedia is not the word of God or inspired. Thanks anyway. why don;t you learn what I believe or is this above your level of desire?

"Historicism is a method of interpretation in Christian eschatology which attempts to associate biblical prophecies with actual historical events and identify symbolic beings with historical persons or societies. The main texts of interest are apocalyptic literature, such as the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation, and historicist methods have been applied to ancient Jewish history, the Roman Empire, Mohammedism, the Papacy, the Modern era and even into the End time." - quoted from Wikipedia

It has nothing to do with whether prophecy is currently fulfilled or not. In the example I gave you of Daniel's beasts, you are a historicist by definition, and the prophecy of his 4 beasts just happens to have been fulfilled.

1. Ok I see what you are saying, then yes I am a historacist.
2. No, the beasts of daniel have not yet been fulfilled. Only partially. The kingdom of the toes of iron and clay, and the teeth of iron and nails of bronze have yet to be fulfilled. History shows that the things this particular beast would accomplish have yet to be fulfilled.

But you reject the traditional historicist approach of those great men of God of the Reformation to follow John Nelson Darby's 19th century eschatological scheme.
FUTURISM AND DISPENSATIONALISM

No. I reject any teaching which states things which history proves have yet to be fulfilled have been fulfilled by some allegorical or symbolic nature.

All things which have proven to be fulfilled were fulfilled literaly. If these things were fulfilled literaly. The precedence would suggest that all things which have yet to be fulfilled will also be fulfilled literally.

Again, NOT if you are a futurist.

And again you would be wrong. If all past prophesy was fulfilled literally. All prophesy will be fulfilled literally. God did not mean for us to only interpret those things which can be shown to be literal by its historical proof. And all things we can not prove happened historically to interpret symbolically. Which is what you evidently would like me to do.

So why don't you revisit my post on the 1.5 billion antichrists in the world today, who follow THE false prophet Muhammad, and thus must DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood as articles of their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone.

Poor deluded souls that are SO ANTICHRIST that they are taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus name, is to commit the single most "heinous" and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN in Muhammad's anti-religion.
UNFORGIVABLE SIN OF SHIRK

THE false prophet Muhammad commanding his followers to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people to DISbelieving the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, DENYING the Son of God, and REJECTING His shed blood as articles of "faith" in Muhammad alone.
JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM

Now who did John Nelson Darby teach you that THE false prophet is?

1. There or more antichrists than muhamaad. If I wanted to talk about him, I would. But there are many to talk about. why just talk about him.

2. If this is all you wish to discuss (muhamaad) . We might as well finish.

And who said I am listening to darby?

Scripture tells us who the false prophet is.

1. He will come out of the 4th kingdom (rome)
2. he will commit the abomination of desolation
3. He will be indwelt and empowered by satan himself
4. he will cause all the world to worhsip him
5., He will be destroyed by the person return of Christ., Defeated, and cast into hell at that time.

Muhammad died along time ago. Christ did not kill him. so it was not him.

 

[PeteWaldo]

1. There or more antichrists than muhamaad. If I wanted to talk about him, I would. But there are many to talk about. why just talk about him.

I guess you've gone from not understanding, to not reading, my posts. For others, what my post mentioned is 1.5 billion antichrists - in Islam alone - each and every one an antichrist as an article of their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone. Commanded to conquer and subjugate each and every person in the whole world to being antichrists.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

But as long as you insist on rejecting the approach of the Reformers, and continue to be brainwashed into John Nelson Darby's 19th century eschatological scheme, you will not be able to see Muhammad and Islam as fulfillment of THE false prophet, and his Islamic empire as the kingdom "beast" of Revelation 13. You will continue to be stark raving blind to fulfillment of prophecy, as you wait for some future boogeyman of some future someday, while 100,000 to 180,000 Christians are martyred around the world every year, mainly by the hand of Muhammad's true followers.
MUSLIM PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS

While CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should not be difficult for all non-Muslims to see, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".

50+ churches burned in Egypt: "Egypt: 2nd day of attacks on churches " (CatholicCulture.org, August 16, 2013): "By the end of a second day of attacks on Christian institutions, homes, and businesses in Egypt, Islamists had burned down over 50 churches, a Coptic Orthodox bishop told CNN."

Since the Muslim Brotherhood was given the green light in Egypt, Christian churches, businesses and homes have been marked with black Xs, and it is reported that "some 80 Christian churches" were destroyed in less than a week.

Web search something like - homes churches businesses burned egypt

Over a hundred Christian homes were burned in a single incident, in Lahore Pakistan alone.

The Religion of Peace website headline on 9-23-13: "Last week over 500 people were killed explicitly in the name of Islam. This week kicked off with a shopping mall massacre and a barbaric suicide bombing at a Christian church. Islam is a religion in which the most devout members often commit horrible atrocities while most of the rest never seem too bothered by it."

Hindustan Times "Taliban suicide bombers hit Pak church, 78 killed"
"A pair of suicide bombers blew themselves up amid hundreds of worshippers at a historic church in northwestern Pakistan on Sunday, killing 78 people in the deadliest-ever attack against the country's Christian minority." According to the article there were another 141 injured.

From Atlas Shrugs: "Relentless. Muslims murdering, persecuting, torturing Christians in Muslim countries, and the world says nothing. The same silence preceded the Nazi genocide of twelve million people.
Instead, the world advances the savages' narrative that opposition to jihad and sharia is "islamophobia." Vilified are the few who dare to speak out against this vicious anti-human system of oppression. And their dissemblers in the media and proxies in the West like CAIR, ICNA, ISNA, MSA, Aslan Media, etc., are lauded and loved. "

Israel National News: "Kenya Siege: Death Toll Rises to at Least 59
Gunmen, hostages, still reportedly holed up in shopping mall amid continuing reports that non-Muslims were deliberately singled out."
"Witnesses described how the terrorists opened fire with assault weapons, mowing down men, women, children and the elderly."
"The attack was not entirely "indiscriminate," however: multiple eyewitnesses described how victims were "vetted" by the terrorists, who made them recite Muslim prayers to ascertain their religion. Those who were able to prove that they were Muslim were allowed to go free, while non-Muslims were deliberately murdered in cold blood."

(URL) Here's a snapshot of what's been going on in Nigerian towns, from Nigeria Calabash:

12/28/2012 Musari: Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah.​

12/26/2012 Bachit: Suspected Fulani murder three villagers, including a married couple, in attacks on two Christian homes.​

12/25/2012 Peri: A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service.​

12/25/2012 Rim: A Christian is killed in his home by Fulani gunmen in front of his family.​

12/24/2012 Maiduguri: Six people are killed in a Christmas Eve church attack by Religion of Peace gunmen.​

12/6/2012 Yankaba: Two Christian teenagers are executed by gunmen on a motorcycle yelling, 'Allah akbar'.​

12/2/2012 Chibok: Religion of Peace proponents invade a Christian village in the middle of the night and massacre ten residents.​

12/1/2012 Gamboru Ngala: Two guards die when Muslims shouting 'Allah Akbar' burn churches.​

11/25/2012 Jaji: Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church.​

11/22/2012 Bichi: Angry Muslims riot, burn churches and kills four Christians over a rumor of blasphemy concerning a t-shirt."​

etc. etc. ad nauseam​

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. 'They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes,' one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, 'After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.'"

Etc. etc. while the western "church" merrily marches along on its path in strong delusion, as antichrists take over.
FALLING AWAY OR APOSTASY

 

[jahsoul]

I will just let scripture speak for itself.

..............

Well, I will just get to my point. Those scriptures that you just gave are in no way directed towards the Jews. In one of your previous post, you used the terms Jew & Israel as synonymous terms when, in fact, they are very different, especially in this day and age, but that leaves me to my next point. Do we just ignore everything Paul said in Galatians, more specifically Chapter 3? If Jesus said that we will worship in spirit and truth, why has this spiritual aspect of Abraham's SEED been totally ignored? I'm a heir according to what promise?

But I see you and Pete are going back and forth so I will just back away slowly...lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, I will just get to my point. Those scriptures that you just gave are in no way directed towards the Jews. In one of your previous post, you used the terms Jew & Israel as synonymous terms when, in fact, they are very different, especially in this day and age, but that leaves me to my next point. Do we just ignore everything Paul said in Galatians, more specifically Chapter 3? If Jesus said that we will worship in spirit and truth, why has this spiritual aspect of Abraham's SEED been totally ignored? I'm a heir according to what promise?

All i can say is ask yourself this,

Did God promise the church what he promised in the passages I showed? Of course I use the term Israel and Jew interchangeably. It is a flaw in our society, and I sometimes do this. But I hope you know to whom I was referring.

You are an heir according to this promise.

the promise of the redeemer, which was given in only one aspect of that covenant, "in you shall ALL NATIONS (MALE/FEMALE, JEW/GREEK, SLAVE/FREE) be blessed.

This aspect has absolutely nothing to do with the promise given to Abraham Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons (of which Judah (jew) comes from) And the covenant with them has NOTHING to do with the one body of Christ. Nor does anyone in this part of the covenant even guaranteed to be part of the other covenant (one body)

But I see you and Pete are going back and forth so I will just back away slowly...lol.

Your fine, Keep asking questions. thats how we learn what each other believes

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess you've gone from not understanding, to not reading, my posts. For others, what my post mentioned is 1.5 billion antichrists - in Islam alone - each and every one an antichrist as an article of their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone. Commanded to conquer and subjugate each and every person in the whole world to being antichrists.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

But as long as you insist on rejecting the approach of the Reformers, and continue to be brainwashed into John Nelson Darby's 19th century eschatological scheme, you will not be able to see Muhammad and Islam as fulfillment of THE false prophet, and his Islamic empire as the kingdom "beast" of Revelation 13. You will continue to be stark raving blind to fulfillment of prophecy, as you wait for some future boogeyman of some future someday, while 100,000 to 180,000 Christians are martyred around the world every year, mainly by the hand of Muhammad's true followers.
MUSLIM PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS

While CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should not be difficult for all non-Muslims to see, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".

50+ churches burned in Egypt: "Egypt: 2nd day of attacks on churches " (CatholicCulture.org, August 16, 2013): "By the end of a second day of attacks on Christian institutions, homes, and businesses in Egypt, Islamists had burned down over 50 churches, a Coptic Orthodox bishop told CNN."

Since the Muslim Brotherhood was given the green light in Egypt, Christian churches, businesses and homes have been marked with black Xs, and it is reported that "some 80 Christian churches" were destroyed in less than a week.

Web search something like - homes churches businesses burned egypt

Over a hundred Christian homes were burned in a single incident, in Lahore Pakistan alone.

The Religion of Peace website headline on 9-23-13: "Last week over 500 people were killed explicitly in the name of Islam. This week kicked off with a shopping mall massacre and a barbaric suicide bombing at a Christian church. Islam is a religion in which the most devout members often commit horrible atrocities while most of the rest never seem too bothered by it."

Hindustan Times "Taliban suicide bombers hit Pak church, 78 killed"
"A pair of suicide bombers blew themselves up amid hundreds of worshippers at a historic church in northwestern Pakistan on Sunday, killing 78 people in the deadliest-ever attack against the country's Christian minority." According to the article there were another 141 injured.

From Atlas Shrugs: "Relentless. Muslims murdering, persecuting, torturing Christians in Muslim countries, and the world says nothing. The same silence preceded the Nazi genocide of twelve million people.
Instead, the world advances the savages' narrative that opposition to jihad and sharia is "islamophobia." Vilified are the few who dare to speak out against this vicious anti-human system of oppression. And their dissemblers in the media and proxies in the West like CAIR, ICNA, ISNA, MSA, Aslan Media, etc., are lauded and loved. "

Israel National News: "Kenya Siege: Death Toll Rises to at Least 59
Gunmen, hostages, still reportedly holed up in shopping mall amid continuing reports that non-Muslims were deliberately singled out."
"Witnesses described how the terrorists opened fire with assault weapons, mowing down men, women, children and the elderly."
"The attack was not entirely "indiscriminate," however: multiple eyewitnesses described how victims were "vetted" by the terrorists, who made them recite Muslim prayers to ascertain their religion. Those who were able to prove that they were Muslim were allowed to go free, while non-Muslims were deliberately murdered in cold blood."

(URL) Here's a snapshot of what's been going on in Nigerian towns, from Nigeria Calabash:

12/28/2012 Musari: Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah.​

12/26/2012 Bachit: Suspected Fulani murder three villagers, including a married couple, in attacks on two Christian homes.​

12/25/2012 Peri: A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service.​

12/25/2012 Rim: A Christian is killed in his home by Fulani gunmen in front of his family.​

12/24/2012 Maiduguri: Six people are killed in a Christmas Eve church attack by Religion of Peace gunmen.​

12/6/2012 Yankaba: Two Christian teenagers are executed by gunmen on a motorcycle yelling, 'Allah akbar'.​

12/2/2012 Chibok: Religion of Peace proponents invade a Christian village in the middle of the night and massacre ten residents.​

12/1/2012 Gamboru Ngala: Two guards die when Muslims shouting 'Allah Akbar' burn churches.​

11/25/2012 Jaji: Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church.​

11/22/2012 Bichi: Angry Muslims riot, burn churches and kills four Christians over a rumor of blasphemy concerning a t-shirt."​

etc. etc. ad nauseam​

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. 'They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes,' one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, 'After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.'"

Etc. etc. while the western "church" merrily marches along on its path in strong delusion, as antichrists take over.
FALLING AWAY OR APOSTASY

dude. I do not know who you are listening to. But you are not listening to God.

and as I already proved, i am not listening to darby.

1. Muhamad did not ocme from the kingdom of rome (the 4th beast)
2. He did not force every nation tribe and language to worhship him, and he is dead, so it is too late to do this now
3. He was not killed by Christ
4. he did not control all the finances of the world
5. he did not kill 3 kings, and get the other 7 to grant him the authority over their kingdoms.

I can go on and on and on.

Of course I am not going to listen to your reasoning. I am going to listen to what the Bible says. And interpret from there.

 

[PeteWaldo]

And who said I am listening to darby?

Scripture tells us who the false prophet is.

1. He will come out of the 4th kingdom (rome)
2. he will commit the abomination of desolation
3. He will be indwelt and empowered by satan himself
4. he will cause all the world to worhsip him
5., He will be destroyed by the person return of Christ., Defeated, and cast into hell at that time.

Muhammad died along time ago. Christ did not kill him. so it was not him.

It's really quite funny how brainwashed blind a person can be. Your list comes straight from the 19th century eschatological scheme of John Nelson Darby. You left out Darby's pre-trib rapture, rebuilt temple, during a future 7-year tribulation etc. etc.
No reasonable futurist in the world today, denies that John Nelson Darby is the author of modern futurism/dispensationalism as held by the 21st century church. Recognized as "the father of modern dispensationalism":
John Darby (evangelist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now why don't you explain to us how Jesus' ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER was so incomplete and insufficient, as to require a future rebuilt temple and future animal sacrifices.

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


Do you know where the temple of God has been for nearly 2,000 years?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Perhaps you don't have any better idea as to where the temple of God is than John Nelson Darby would seem to have.
Are you ashamed of the Gospel?

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

My question: Why do these threads on the subject of Dispensations end up speaking of "end times"? To me, it is mainly the importance of "to whom" the scriptures are written. If I read that which is addressed to the Jew and apply that to my life - then I place myself under the law. Then I read something that is addressed to the church of God and I am now under grace BUT I continue to apply what was written to the Jew - now I am living under grace but still zealous for the law. Confusion and contradiction sets in. Romans 15:4 For whatsoever were written aforetime were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. What was meant directly for the Jews is not applicable to me being in the body of Christ, the church but for my learning.

ex. In Romans 8:37,38 I read that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I am born again, I am in Christ, I am part of the church of God so that's great - I am secure in my salvation. I continue reading and in Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches take heed lest he also spare not thee - Wait a minute in Romans 8 I read that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God - now I need to take heed or not be spared - is that a contradiction? I need to take note of v13 - For I speak to you Gentiles - I am no longer a Gentile but part of the Church of God - no contradiction, this was written for my learning but not applicable to the Church of God.

In the OT multiple marriages seem to be the norm - Can I carry that over? No, to the Church of God, one man, one wife.
In the garden - Adam and Eve ate only herbs which changed with Noah- he could eat herbs and meat of every living creature - then the law came in that distinguished clean and unclean - now in the Church of God there is nothing unclean - we are not to be judged by milk or drink.
In the OT - sacrifices of animals for atonement - now the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
In the OT - they had to observe Sabbath laws, special days, feasts - now in the Church of God we are not judged in respect of an holyday, of the new moon or of the sabbath

So God didn't deal with others differently? - really?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's really quite funny how brainwashed blind a person can be. Your list comes straight from the 19th century eschatological scheme of John Nelson Darby. You left out Darby's pre-trib rapture, rebuilt temple, during a future 7-year tribulation etc. etc.
No reasonable futurist in the world today, denies that John Nelson Darby is the author of modern futurism/dispensationalism as held by the 21st century church. Recognized as "the father of modern dispensationalism":
John Darby (evangelist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now why don't you explain to us how Jesus' ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER was so incomplete and insufficient, as to require a future rebuilt temple and future animal sacrifices.

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


Do you know where the temple of God has been for nearly 2,000 years?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Perhaps you don't have any better idea as to where the temple of God is than John Nelson Darby would seem to have.
Are you ashamed of the Gospel?

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Its amazing how brainwashed someone can be.

My interpretation comes right from the word of God.

Read dan 2, Daniel 7. Rev 13 and rev 17. And you will see where I interpret from.

Nothing in scripture speaks of Islam. This in and of itself proves your listening to men and Not God. The fact is, even if you ignore the fact of the rest of the characteristics and what he would do. You have to claim he (according to prophesy) comes out of the roman empire, or fourth beast system of iron and clay.. This alone proves it is not who you say it is.. Nothing else needs to be looked at.

 

[Isdaniel]

Is dispensation and Age the same Why or Why not

 

[PeteWaldo]

Its amazing how brainwashed someone can be.

Brainwashed by the truth of the Gospel? Guilty as charged. The same Gospel you are engaging in blasphemy against and ignoring my posts about.

My interpretation comes right from the word of God.

Read dan 2, Daniel 7. Rev 13 and rev 17. And you will see where I interpret from.

Nothing in scripture speaks of Islam. This in and of itself proves your listening to men and Not God.

It is you that was forced to ignore every verse I posted from the Gospel, that are not open to interpretation, to continue to chase after Darby's futurist fantasy.

The fact is, even if you ignore the fact of the rest of the characteristics and what he would do. You have to claim he (according to prophesy) comes out of the roman empire, or fourth beast system of iron and clay.. This alone proves it is not who you say it is.. Nothing else needs to be looked at.

Instead of answering to the verses I posted, that illustrate your blasphemy against the ONE sacrifice of our Messiah, and blasphemy against the temple He built in 3 days, just as He said he would - while you pay nothing more than lip service to scripture:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
TEMPLE OF GOD

Your answer to supporty your blasphemy against the literal language of literal passages of the Gospel that are not open to interpretation, and you blasphemy against the one sacrifice for sins forever of the Lamb of God, is to dither on in John Darby's interpretation of the figurative language of Daniel's Old Testament prophetic dream.
Why not try reconciling each of those verses as regards the temple of God and the blood of Christ, against John Darby's future rebuilt temple, instead of avoiding the Gospel? We both know why, don't we.

Your waiting for John Darby's so-called "Revived Roman Empire", even as we witness Europe being conquered by THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast":

"Muslims in Europe are increasingly converting empty Christian churches into mosques.
The proliferation of mosques housed in former churches reflects the rise of Islam as the fastest growing religion in post-Christian Europe."

"As Islam replaces Christianity as the dominant religion in Europe, more and more churches are set to become mosques, which increasingly serve not only as religious institutions but also function as the foundational political building blocks for the establishment of separate, parallel Muslim communities in Europe that are based on Islamic Sharia law."
FALLING AWAY OR APOSTASY

Regarding when Muhammad will be cast into the lake of fire, he is cast in with all the rest of the unjust, at the resurrection of the dead:
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Brainwashed by the truth of the Gospel? Guilty as charged. The same Gospel you are engaging in blasphemy against and ignoring my posts about.



Instead of answering to the verses I posted, that illustrate your blasphemy against the ONE sacrifice of our Messiah, and blasphemy against the temple He built in 3 days, just as He said he would - while you pay nothing more than lip service to scripture:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
TEMPLE OF GOD

Your answer to supporty your blasphemy against the literal language of literal passages of the Gospel that are not open to interpretation, and you blasphemy against the one sacrifice for sins forever of the Lamb of God, is to dither on in John Darby's interpretation of the figurative language of Daniel's Old Testament prophetic dream.
Why not try reconciling each of those verses as regards the temple of God and the blood of Christ, against John Darby's future rebuilt temple, instead of avoiding the Gospel? We both know why, don't we.

Your waiting for John Darby's so-called "Revived Roman Empire", even as we witness Europe being conquered by THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast":

"Muslims in Europe are increasingly converting empty Christian churches into mosques.
The proliferation of mosques housed in former churches reflects the rise of Islam as the fastest growing religion in post-Christian Europe."

"As Islam replaces Christianity as the dominant religion in Europe, more and more churches are set to become mosques, which increasingly serve not only as religious institutions but also function as the foundational political building blocks for the establishment of separate, parallel Muslim communities in Europe that are based on Islamic Sharia law."
FALLING AWAY OR APOSTASY

Regarding when Muhammad will be cast into the lake of fire, he is cast in with all the rest of the unjust, at the resurrection of the dead:
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

dude give it up.

I already proved I believe in the one true Gospel. Thus you prove you are committing false witness against me.

I also have proved through Scripture who the antiChrist is. and where he comes from.

so take your man made doctine someplace else why don;t ya.

Is islam a threat to Christianity? Yes. Then again so is roman catholicism, and all the other false christian movements out there. As well as the other popular religions which go against christ.

 

[PeteWaldo]

dude give it up.

I already proved I believe in the one true Gospel. Thus you prove you are committing false witness against me.

The you agree that the temple that Jesus built in 3 days through His crucifixion, death and resurrection, is the only temple of God there has been over the last 2,000 years, or will ever need to be.
TEMPLE OF GOD
You agree that the sinless Messiah's ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER - the perfect sacrifice of the spotless Passover Lamb of God - necessarily precludes any need for any other future sacrifices.

 

[PeteWaldo]

ex. In Romans 8:37,38 I read that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I am born again, I am in Christ, I am part of the church of God so that's great - I am secure in my salvation. I continue reading and in Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches take heed lest he also spare not thee - Wait a minute in Romans 8 I read that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God - now I need to take heed or not be spared - is that a contradiction? I need to take note of v13 - For I speak to you Gentiles - I am no longer a Gentile but part of the Church of God - no contradiction, this was written for my learning but not applicable to the Church of God.

Try a search for an adjacent hermeneutic for the term "natural":

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

So that could be unfaithful Jews, like atheists or agnostics, that were broken off of the "good" olive tree.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Yet it indicates that God Himself may have blinded some Jews to the Gospel:

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

That verse was penned decades after the cross. Since God doesn't want that anyone should perish but that all could come to repentance, He obviously didn't blind them to the Gospel, so He could condemn them. Some Jews may remain sovereignly blinded until when?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Indeed:

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Enemies of the Gospel but beloved. And those of us of the "wild" olive tree that are grafted into the "good" olive tree are warned:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Are some faithful Jews saved by the Son without realizing it - by our one mediator, Old Testament or New?
SPIRIT OF SLUMBER

Isaac Newton: “Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation, and thirdly that the humour which has long reigned among the Christians of boasting our selves against the Jews, and insulting over them for their not believing, is reprehended by the Apostle for high –mindedness and self-conceipt, and much more is our using them despightfully, Pharisaicall and impious”
ZIONISM IN CHRISTIANITY

 

[JaumeJ]

Where is dispensationalism written about in the Word. When did Yeshua teach this? Just curious.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where is dispensationalism written about in the Word. When did Yeshua teach this? Just curious.

Where is trinity found in the word.
Where is many doctrines found in the word.

Dispensation is just a term used to describe different time in human history, and the way God and man interacted in those time periods.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The you agree that the temple that Jesus built in 3 days through His crucifixion, death and resurrection, is the only temple of God there has been over the last 2,000 years, or will ever need to be.
TEMPLE OF GOD
You agree that the sinless Messiah's ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER - the perfect sacrifice of the spotless Passover Lamb of God - necessarily precludes any need for any other future sacrifices.

I agree that NO TEMPLE ever created by mankind (including the 2 temples in jerusalem) EVER had a thing to do with anyones salvation.

It has ALWAYS been of grace through faith.

WHat man, or nation builds any temple anywhere will have no bearing on ones eternity.

 

[JaumeJ]

Asking another question to a question posed does not anwer anything. As for the word, Trinity, I do not use it, though I do not discount the use of it.

Again, where is dispensationalism taught in the Word?

Where is trinity found in the word.
Where is many doctrines found in the word.

Dispensation is just a term used to describe different time in human history, and the way God and man interacted in those time periods.

 

[PeteWaldo]

I agree that NO TEMPLE ever created by mankind (including the 2 temples in jerusalem) EVER had a thing to do with anyones salvation.

You seem to be suggesting that God had His people waste their time in building the temple that He prescribed they build.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

But don't waste your time replying to this as it is off topic. In other words don't use it to continue to change the subject.

It has ALWAYS been of grace through faith.

WHat man, or nation builds any temple anywhere will have no bearing on ones eternity.

But I was talking about the new covenant temple that Jesus built for us that you were ignoring.
Good answer regarding God not dwelling in temples made with hands! So then any future temple built in Jerusalem would be pointless from the moment the first stone was laid. Indeed since WE ARE the temple of God, ever since Jesus fitly framed us together, no earthly temple could ever be sanctified in the first place, which means that no earthly temple could ever be desolated by any sort of abomination.
ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

Because, in sum, there will only ever be one true tabernacle:

Hebrews 8:1Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
TEMPLE OF GOD

So you can set aside all that nonsense about some future boogeyman, desolating some future temple, that would have already been rendered desolate from moment the first stone was laid!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You seem to be suggesting that God had His people waste their time in building the temple that He prescribed they build.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

But don't waste your time replying to this as it is off topic. In other words don't use it to continue to change the subject.

You forget God did not want them to build a temple. But david desired it. Thus God (although he refused to allow david to build one) allowed them to build a temple.

You also forget hebrews. The blood of bulls and goats (whether they were sacrificed personally at a local alter, In the tabernackle, or any temple ever built) never took away sin. Thus as far as salvation goes. The temple NEVER had any affect other than do what all the law did, Be a schoolmaster.

But I was talking about the new covenant temple that Jesus built for us that you were ignoring.
Good answer regarding God not dwelling in temples made with hands! So then any future temple built in Jerusalem would be pointless from the moment the first stone was laid. Indeed since WE ARE the temple of God, ever since Jesus fitly framed us together, no earthly temple could ever be sanctified in the first place, which means that no earthly temple could ever be desolated by any sort of abomination.
ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

Because, in sum, there will only ever be one true tabernacle:

Hebrews 8:1Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
TEMPLE OF GOD

So you can set aside all that nonsense about some future boogeyman, desolating some future temple, that would have already been rendered desolate from moment the first stone was laid!

lol. The first stone ever laid by soloman had nothing to do with salvation of anyone. thus your argument is mute.

Does God keep his promises? His covenants? or does he not? According to you. I guess he does not