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Physician ... heal thyself. At a minimum, you and everybody else owes it to themselves (and to the very Word of God) to investigate the origins of the heresy(s) taught thru the teachings of Nelson Darby, Cyrus Scofield and a few others. Many spend more time researching the history of an automobile before purchasing it than they do the Word of God. And don't tell me or Zone ... or Sarah or Elin that you already have. Because we know that you haven't from the very nonsense you espouse on these threads. Seek the truth and you will find it. You are without excuse Brad.
B
Do you like to justify your doctrine by the demonization of others through a diligent search of their personal sins or iniquities? Is this your weapon of choice by shooting fiery darts to discredit God's elect and what they teach? You have always addressed the doctrine these men teach right along side of your investigation of their personal life and any downfalls they may have been accused of or made subject to by others. You call that being godly and a Spirit-filled Christian? Would you like to follow through with your threat to me about your findings concerning what you believe to be mine shortcomings? I dare you to report what you have salaciously conjured up against me. Have you done it already with a selective few? Have at it and then we will see what God will do. You have a wicked heart concerning these things because you have allowed the devil to infect you with a wounded spirit and your tongue reveals just what has set it on fire. You also have a terrible problem with intentionally taking what people say and twisting it to serve your own purposes, and that is the height of being deceitful whether Unclefester and others can see it or not. Some are blinded to your ways but I am not and we are talking about doctrine and how you inoculate others with your understanding and your scoffing at those who have the Spirit and sound doctrine. Some people's heads are sick and can not be healed or mollified with any ointment.
B
Your post is presumptuous. Are you speaking of 'nonsense' being that which goes against your doctrine and understanding of the Israel of God? Mention one thing that you have understood me to say that is nonsense, without twisting it away from the context of it being said and without Zone's hypnotic input. Put it on the table and we will discuss it, if you dare. Just make sure it has to do with this thread topic. I'll put one on the table right now. Here's a hypnotic notion of nonsense for you that I hear all the time, 'The church is the new Israel and there is no more nation or people of Israel (the Jews) outside the church'. Tell that to your local Jew here or abroad who lives in Israel. If you believe to be the new Israel and a true Jew are you boasting to others that you are now a true Jew, even though you are a Gentile who has believed? Did Paul consider the Gentiles who believed to be Jews as part of the natural branch or did he call them Gentiles (Rom 11:12,13) who were graffed in as a wild olive tree? There is a clear distinction and also a hope expressed for the natural branch to be graffed in again to their own olive tree. This is speaking of the ones who were cut and broken off because of unbelief.
Rom 11:18-25 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Did all this stop in 70 AD? Do you really think so, or could any of the people of Israel (the Jews) be graffed back in after 70 AD? What about today and the future of these Jews in unbelief that live on planet earth, can they be graffed back in to their own olive tree as it states in (Rom 11:14). I see two olive trees in verse 24, a wild one by nature and a good one contrary to nature. Those in unbelief today, both of the Jews and the Gentiles, have their own olive tree, the Jews who have broken off their olive tree and the Gentiles who are still part of their own wild olive tree. When the fulness of the Gentiles have come in, being cut out of their own wild olive tree by nature and graffed into the good olive tree. After this has taken place we can see that the natural branches that were cut off by unbelief will be graffed into their own olive tree. This concerns more than a remnant of Jews who are living when this takes place, but all of Israel shall be saved.
Please explain this in Romans 11:28-32, which has no time limit attached.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:18-25 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Did all this stop in 70 AD? Do you really think so, or could any of the people of Israel (the Jews) be graffed back in after 70 AD? What about today and the future of these Jews in unbelief that live on planet earth, can they be graffed back in to their own olive tree as it states in (Rom 11:14). I see two olive trees in verse 24, a wild one by nature and a good one contrary to nature. Those in unbelief today, both of the Jews and the Gentiles, have their own olive tree, the Jews who have broken off their olive tree and the Gentiles who are still part of their own wild olive tree. When the fulness of the Gentiles have come in, being cut out of their own wild olive tree by nature and graffed into the good olive tree. After this has taken place we can see that the natural branches that were cut off by unbelief will be graffed into their own olive tree. This concerns more than a remnant of Jews who are living when this takes place, but all of Israel shall be saved.
Please explain this in Romans 11:28-32, which has no time limit attached.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
i said i wasn't posting on scofield's personal sins.
should i?
i'm sorry...did you say God's elect teach this murderous lunacy?
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The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy
Uploaded on Nov 18, 2011
Ever wonder why so many Christians support America's many wars, especially in the Middle East? A new Christianity has emerged from the Twentieth Century called Christian Zionism or what could be called, "Angry Evangelicalism," or "Dispensationalism on Steroids." What motivates a nationally known, evangelical preacher like John Hagee to call for a preemptive strike against Iran when it is contrary to what Jesus taught and commanded his followers to do? This "Roots of Zionism" presentation may be the first of its kind with a factual explanation of how Christianity's latest apostate epidemic was launched with the publishing of C. I. Scofield's reference Bible in 1909, and the influence of the notes in it. While purposefully reaching and helping many under Christian Zionist influence by featuring its identification and cure, this 2nd edition offers hope to all people, regardless of faith, who may also wish to leave it's grasp. Film clips include action inside Gaza Strip and a moving interview with Shareen, a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza.
should i?
i'm sorry...did you say God's elect teach this murderous lunacy?
[video=youtube;IO6VpMYAVms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6VpMYAVms[/video]
The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy
Uploaded on Nov 18, 2011
Ever wonder why so many Christians support America's many wars, especially in the Middle East? A new Christianity has emerged from the Twentieth Century called Christian Zionism or what could be called, "Angry Evangelicalism," or "Dispensationalism on Steroids." What motivates a nationally known, evangelical preacher like John Hagee to call for a preemptive strike against Iran when it is contrary to what Jesus taught and commanded his followers to do? This "Roots of Zionism" presentation may be the first of its kind with a factual explanation of how Christianity's latest apostate epidemic was launched with the publishing of C. I. Scofield's reference Bible in 1909, and the influence of the notes in it. While purposefully reaching and helping many under Christian Zionist influence by featuring its identification and cure, this 2nd edition offers hope to all people, regardless of faith, who may also wish to leave it's grasp. Film clips include action inside Gaza Strip and a moving interview with Shareen, a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza.
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
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is that enough?
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
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is that enough?
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Christian Zionism BRAINWASHING
2:50
John Hagee:
"Israel is important to Bible-believing Christians because Israel is the focus of the Bible...
...beginning from Genesis running through the entirety of the Scripture.
...God says in Genesis 12 to bless the people of Israel."
5:30
Narrator:
"While a vocal section of Amercia may agree with Pastor Hagee, and the Jewish Lobby group AIPAC appreciates his support, the preacher also has his detractors."
Rabbi Barry Block:
"I think Pastor Hagee is a person with an agenda that overall is not good for Jewish life in America, or for Israel.
Pastor Hagee presses a domestic agenda that is in my view hostile to Jewish life in America.
For example, we prosper on the basis of freedom of religion and separation of church and state. These are not values that Pastor Hagee holds or supports.
Pastor Hagee argues against the establishment of a Palestinian State, argues against Israeli disengagement from any occupied territory....that's not what's best for Israel.
What Christians United For Israel proposes not only wouldn't lead to peace...it's not what's best for Israel."
Carnival Scene; Merchandising 'for Israel'
Narrator:
"We'd hoped to speak to some of those here, about their support for the cause. But the Pastor's people instructed us we could only interview Church Officials...."
7:50
Communications Center at Cornerstone
Hagee:
"Why are we having this briefing? Because America and the Land of Israel are facing the greatest crisis in our history.
And many people are not aware that this crisis has even begun."
9:12
"We're going to Capital Hill to visit the offices of every Senator and Congressman saying that for the first time in America's history Christians and Jews are united. We are silent no more."
9:30
"The message we want them to get is that there is an enormous Christian coalition in America consisting of all denominations, but now for the first time in our nation, it is completely focused on one issue - that issue is Israel"
.....
high profile Christ-like politicians "Newt" Gingrich & John McCain take the stage, pulpit pounding - ranting about how it's time to attack Iran: (cheering)
tsk...maybe they'll still get the chance. Jesus would do it...for sure.
the New Testament is filled with examples of Jesus calling for the killing of children...isn't it?
....
11:50
Narrator:
"As it happens, the Christians United For Israel Washington Summit coincides with efforts by President George W Bush to revive the Middle East Peace Process."
Bush:
"More than 5 years ago I became the first American President to call for a Palestinian State. In the Rose Garden I said that Palestinians should not have to live in poverty and occupation..."
Hagee:
"It is unfortunate that the President used the word occupation, a term often used by Israel's enemies"
"Every concession by Israel has only led to advanced terrorism."
(cheering/ovation)
12:55
Narrator:
"In Washington, Palestine's Ambassador to the US has little time for Pastor Hagee."
Afif Safieh:
"As a Palestinian Diplomat, but mainly as a Palestinian Christian, all this phenomenon of Right Wing Christianity which is unconditionally supportive of Israel whatever its appetite; territory or otherwise, has been a major source of embarrassment for us, the Christians of the Holy Land."
Narrator:
"About 50,000 Christians...live on the West Bank....they can't understand the American Christians who seem to deny them legitimacy."
Afif Safieh:
"Those Christian Pastors of that school are totally insensitive to our ordeal, and supportive of our oppressors. How can they face the mirror when they are shaving in the morning, and how will they face God, Our Creator when they meet?"
Christian Zionism BRAINWASHING
2:50
John Hagee:
"Israel is important to Bible-believing Christians because Israel is the focus of the Bible...
...beginning from Genesis running through the entirety of the Scripture.
...God says in Genesis 12 to bless the people of Israel."
5:30
Narrator:
"While a vocal section of Amercia may agree with Pastor Hagee, and the Jewish Lobby group AIPAC appreciates his support, the preacher also has his detractors."
Rabbi Barry Block:
"I think Pastor Hagee is a person with an agenda that overall is not good for Jewish life in America, or for Israel.
Pastor Hagee presses a domestic agenda that is in my view hostile to Jewish life in America.
For example, we prosper on the basis of freedom of religion and separation of church and state. These are not values that Pastor Hagee holds or supports.
Pastor Hagee argues against the establishment of a Palestinian State, argues against Israeli disengagement from any occupied territory....that's not what's best for Israel.
What Christians United For Israel proposes not only wouldn't lead to peace...it's not what's best for Israel."
Carnival Scene; Merchandising 'for Israel'
Narrator:
"We'd hoped to speak to some of those here, about their support for the cause. But the Pastor's people instructed us we could only interview Church Officials...."
7:50
Communications Center at Cornerstone
Hagee:
"Why are we having this briefing? Because America and the Land of Israel are facing the greatest crisis in our history.
And many people are not aware that this crisis has even begun."
9:12
"We're going to Capital Hill to visit the offices of every Senator and Congressman saying that for the first time in America's history Christians and Jews are united. We are silent no more."
9:30
"The message we want them to get is that there is an enormous Christian coalition in America consisting of all denominations, but now for the first time in our nation, it is completely focused on one issue - that issue is Israel"
.....
high profile Christ-like politicians "Newt" Gingrich & John McCain take the stage, pulpit pounding - ranting about how it's time to attack Iran: (cheering)
tsk...maybe they'll still get the chance. Jesus would do it...for sure.
the New Testament is filled with examples of Jesus calling for the killing of children...isn't it?
....
11:50
Narrator:
"As it happens, the Christians United For Israel Washington Summit coincides with efforts by President George W Bush to revive the Middle East Peace Process."
Bush:
"More than 5 years ago I became the first American President to call for a Palestinian State. In the Rose Garden I said that Palestinians should not have to live in poverty and occupation..."
Hagee:
"It is unfortunate that the President used the word occupation, a term often used by Israel's enemies"
"Every concession by Israel has only led to advanced terrorism."
(cheering/ovation)
12:55
Narrator:
"In Washington, Palestine's Ambassador to the US has little time for Pastor Hagee."
Afif Safieh:
"As a Palestinian Diplomat, but mainly as a Palestinian Christian, all this phenomenon of Right Wing Christianity which is unconditionally supportive of Israel whatever its appetite; territory or otherwise, has been a major source of embarrassment for us, the Christians of the Holy Land."
Narrator:
"About 50,000 Christians...live on the West Bank....they can't understand the American Christians who seem to deny them legitimacy."
Afif Safieh:
"Those Christian Pastors of that school are totally insensitive to our ordeal, and supportive of our oppressors. How can they face the mirror when they are shaving in the morning, and how will they face God, Our Creator when they meet?"
B
So that you can keep yourself from any appearance of impropriety, why don't you include the thread or the other posts that surround these statements so that we can keep it honest and not partial as you have communicated it. Do you have the courage and 'chutzpah' to do it? We will see.
BYW - Don't you think that 'unclefester' is mature enough to deal with this issue when he is addressed personally? Maybe you don't feel he is intellectually adequate and spirtually fit to respond and defend his own faith. But if he is, then allow him the opportunity, unless he depends on you for these kind of things.
BYW - Don't you think that 'unclefester' is mature enough to deal with this issue when he is addressed personally? Maybe you don't feel he is intellectually adequate and spirtually fit to respond and defend his own faith. But if he is, then allow him the opportunity, unless he depends on you for these kind of things.
B
Concerning Post #304
Unclefester, you love to shoot your mouth and when you are challenged you disappear into the background. I know you have it in you, so come on 'unclefester', take a deep breath and get it all out. If you believe you have the right answers then you can do nothing less that edify the body, but if you are in error the body will either pray for you or let you know the truth that you have erred in. Your a grown man so let me see you speak as a grownup able to communicate with good and firm reason objectively with conviction and not with reaction or negativity.
Unclefester, you love to shoot your mouth and when you are challenged you disappear into the background. I know you have it in you, so come on 'unclefester', take a deep breath and get it all out. If you believe you have the right answers then you can do nothing less that edify the body, but if you are in error the body will either pray for you or let you know the truth that you have erred in. Your a grown man so let me see you speak as a grownup able to communicate with good and firm reason objectively with conviction and not with reaction or negativity.
just explain it.
right here.
straighten it out. unravel it.
explain how grace; the mystery of Christ and the church; the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit was never promised to Israel.
explain how and why they were excluded...as a people and a nation.
explain how they gave us the New Testament and the apostolic doctrine Christians live by...since they were blinded and excluded.
explain who it was standing there in Jerusalem when the Promise from the Father came upon them...not Israel - they were never promised any of that.
so who was it there?
explain why they have be LEFT BEHIND while you blast off into space for awhile and they get hammered....by an Antichrist, who really should be called The AntiJew, since that's who he;s supposedly after once y'all get whisked away so ya don't break a fingernail.
............
"Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC"
...
g'head.
explain it.
right here.
straighten it out. unravel it.
explain how grace; the mystery of Christ and the church; the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit was never promised to Israel.
explain how and why they were excluded...as a people and a nation.
explain how they gave us the New Testament and the apostolic doctrine Christians live by...since they were blinded and excluded.
explain who it was standing there in Jerusalem when the Promise from the Father came upon them...not Israel - they were never promised any of that.
so who was it there?
explain why they have be LEFT BEHIND while you blast off into space for awhile and they get hammered....by an Antichrist, who really should be called The AntiJew, since that's who he;s supposedly after once y'all get whisked away so ya don't break a fingernail.
............
"Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC"
...
g'head.
explain it.
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U
Get over yourself Red (Brad wouldn't know I have it in me ... but Red would 
) ... seriously. I don't owe you an explanation. You're angry because I agree with Zone's, Sarah's and Elin's understanding/interpretation of scripture. You're angry because I believe dispensationalism to be in grave error. You wouldn't read what I post any more than you read Zone's, Sarah's or Elin's. Continue to teach that "all Israel" will be saved when todays inhabitants of Israel see Christ return in the clouds (the 3rd advent ?) ... even though the rest of mankind won't be afforded such a luxury of first seeing ... and then believing (respecter of persons ?). Teach that God's plan for today's nation of Israel is separate than God's one and only plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ (repent and believe). Teach that Christ's kingdom includes a one-thousand year reign on earth even though Jesus said Himself : "My kingdom is not of this world". Teach that the faith required for salvation by the gentiles doesn't apply to those jews living in today's Israel (righteous thru faith ?) ... because they'll believe "after they see Him" return. Teach that there is biblically/spiritually today ... a jew ... and then a gentile ... and that scripture is wrong when it says that there is neither jew nor greek. Teach on. You remain without excuse.
) ... seriously. I don't owe you an explanation. You're angry because I agree with Zone's, Sarah's and Elin's understanding/interpretation of scripture. You're angry because I believe dispensationalism to be in grave error. You wouldn't read what I post any more than you read Zone's, Sarah's or Elin's. Continue to teach that "all Israel" will be saved when todays inhabitants of Israel see Christ return in the clouds (the 3rd advent ?) ... even though the rest of mankind won't be afforded such a luxury of first seeing ... and then believing (respecter of persons ?). Teach that God's plan for today's nation of Israel is separate than God's one and only plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ (repent and believe). Teach that Christ's kingdom includes a one-thousand year reign on earth even though Jesus said Himself : "My kingdom is not of this world". Teach that the faith required for salvation by the gentiles doesn't apply to those jews living in today's Israel (righteous thru faith ?) ... because they'll believe "after they see Him" return. Teach that there is biblically/spiritually today ... a jew ... and then a gentile ... and that scripture is wrong when it says that there is neither jew nor greek. Teach on. You remain without excuse.Zechariah 12
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
John 19
33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Zechariah 13
1In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
Zechariah 14
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
John 4
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
John 4
14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Titus 3
4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Hebrews 10
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21And having an high priest over the house of God;
22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Luke 24
25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
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Zechariah 14
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Ezekiel 47
1Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Mark 1
16Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
17And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
18And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.
John 21
1After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.
2There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.
3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
5Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
6And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.
Zechariah 12
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications
Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
poured out on the Gentiles: FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES
Acts 10
44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
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Show the proof that Zechariah 12 has been fulfilled according to what has been prophesied in chapter 12. Please be specific.
Zechariah 12
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
John 19
33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Luke 23
27And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
28But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
John 19
33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Zechariah 13
1In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
Zechariah 14
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
John 4
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
John 4
14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Titus 3
4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Hebrews 10
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21And having an high priest over the house of God;
22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Luke 24
25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
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Zechariah 14
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Ezekiel 47
1Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Mark 1
16Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
17And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
18And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.
John 21
1After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.
2There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.
3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
5Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
6And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.
Zechariah 12
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications
Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
poured out on the Gentiles: FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES
Acts 10
44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
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Quote Originally Posted by coconut
Show the proof that Zechariah 12 has been fulfilled according to what has been prophesied in chapter 12. Please be specific.
Zechariah 12
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
John 19
33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Luke 23
27And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
28But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.