I want the truth , no beating around the bush

[morninglory]

Yet the so-called Paul who was on the way to kill Christians at the time wrote over 60% of the New Testatement.I mean if Hitler said he got a revelation from Moses alone on the way to kill it the jews wouldn't let him go nowhere near their scriptures.Yet the christians do. WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC (FACEPALM )

You question logic as though you were practicing it... Paul was devouted to the true God, the same God that manifested in Jesus Christ to "reconcile the world unto himself"(2 Cor.5.19). Only someone who truly loved God and understood "the pricks" that the true God hates, could do the work that was set before Paul(Acts 9.5, Num.33.55, Acts.17.22-23-30). His task was to convert pagans to Christ, and still keep them from thinking that keeping the law was how to accomplish being a Christian. The obscurity that allows Paul's writings to be miss perceived, is part of how "God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to his gospel"(Rom.2.16). Paul was a chosen vessel, and it is not good to speek against him.

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Hey Truth Seeker, why not tell about your religion Islam? What proves it? Why do you infer that Christians are animals? What kind are we? Do you believe in eye for eye? That's what I get from the Qur'an. What's the truth? Scripture please.

Prophet Muhammad(saw) had 40 years before being declared a prophet to show his character and he was labelled the truthful/honest.Plus he was illiterate
The Quran has many scientific and historical and linguistic miracles
Ill give a few .Linguistics wise the quran is amazing in Surah Baqara God says if you think this is from a man then produce a chapter like it. The shortest chapter in it is 10 words which has approximately 40 literary techniques in arabic i've only counted 24 in english, but nevertheless still amazing.
Historically the King at the time was called a Pharoh in the Quran during the time of Moses but during the time of prophet yusuf(joesph) the king is known as king which is confirmed by a recent historical discovery
Scientifically the quran talks about the big bang which is pretty awesome and that water is the origin of life “Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30) Also it tells that the universe is expanding which is a recent discovery " “And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)"Then Jesus(saw)submitted his will to god which is the very definition of a muslim and prayed ,fasted,was circumised and so on.I mean who else could know this ? An illiterate man in the dessert couldn't know this , only the creater could. This is the only the tip of the iceberg .God who we call Allah which translates to "the god" like Elohim in the bible has sent over 100,000 messengers to the whole earth and the Aboriginal tribes had a concept of an Eternal supreme being which matches the description of the quran in the bible . look here The Concept of God among the Aborigines of Australia press ctrl f and search for the words god. We belive Jesus Christ and we believe he is one of the best men to ever walk on this Earth and u cant be muslim unless u believe in Jesus christ.However Jesus christ never claimed divinity but rather he said " the father is greater than i " meaning Jesus could not be the father and hence Jesus doesn't equal the father.But the church teaches a concept of trinity a term which is non-existent in the bible.
There's so much but yeah the quran even reasons with us telling use ur logic in conjunction with scientifc facts only being discovered recently.It truely is a miracle and based on the prophet's character he was a honest person and even the person who poisoned him he forgave her but we dont worship the prophet.He's just a slave. Just like jesus was. God is testing us and yeahh... its a deep story

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Just me, for the record, Jesus was quoting Ps.22.1 in Matt.27.46 so we would read the Psalm and see what the body of Christ, his future Church, would have to endure. Ps.22.21 aligns with 2 Tim.4.17, referring to Paul's ministry, and Ps.22.13 lines up with the warning in 1 Pet.5.8 that Satan goes about "as a roaring lion seeking whom he may destroy". Ps.22.30 show us what Generation Matt.24.34 is referring to.

We need to keep in mind that Jesus was the second Adam? The first Adam sinned and died, the second Adam did not sin, and did not have to die(Jn.10.17-18), but did to lead us back to the life that preceded sin - through faith in his death and resurrection(Luke 24.39), to be accomplished in "the dispensation of the fullness of time"; Eph.1.10, Jn.13.36, 6.30-40-44-54-58-63.

Hashem Tzidkeinu

Then why did Noah,David , Moses,Abraham , Ishmael peace be upon them all come down ? what happened to the people of those times ? its so inconsistent and honestly i havent even used my holy scripture i could debate u all day using ur own scripture and that is just sad. that shows multiple authors .. :/ but you choose to ignore it because other religions seems foreign but its actually your duty to seek the truth .The devil can deceive u right ? What u believe is faith might be blind faith however truth can never be altered.When a human hears truth there is no denying it .

 

[BananaPie]

First of all, I am in no way convinced that you have come for truth at all.
I think you are an arrogant young man who is simply looking for a fight.
You are trying to argue points you clearly do not understand...

...It's your move!

Say, Pumpkin, would you get Mommy the fly swatter, please?

 

[Karraster]

Prophet Muhammad(saw) had 40 years before being declared a prophet to show his character and he was labelled the truthful/honest.Plus he was illiterate
The Quran has many scientific and historical and linguistic miracles
Ill give a few .Linguistics wise the quran is amazing in Surah Baqara God says if you think this is from a man then produce a chapter like it. The shortest chapter in it is 10 words which has approximately 40 literary techniques in arabic i've only counted 24 in english, but nevertheless still amazing.
Historically the King at the time was called a Pharoh in the Quran during the time of Moses but during the time of prophet yusuf(joesph) the king is known as king which is confirmed by a recent historical discovery
Scientifically the quran talks about the big bang which is pretty awesome and that water is the origin of life “Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30) Also it tells that the universe is expanding which is a recent discovery " “And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)"Then Jesus(saw)submitted his will to god which is the very definition of a muslim and prayed ,fasted,was circumised and so on.I mean who else could know this ? An illiterate man in the dessert couldn't know this , only the creater could. This is the only the tip of the iceberg .God who we call Allah which translates to "the god" like Elohim in the bible has sent over 100,000 messengers to the whole earth and the Aboriginal tribes had a concept of an Eternal supreme being which matches the description of the quran in the bible . look here The Concept of God among the Aborigines of Australia press ctrl f and search for the words god. We belive Jesus Christ and we believe he is one of the best men to ever walk on this Earth and u cant be muslim unless u believe in Jesus christ.However Jesus christ never claimed divinity but rather he said " the father is greater than i " meaning Jesus could not be the father and hence Jesus doesn't equal the father.But the church teaches a concept of trinity a term which is non-existent in the bible.
There's so much but yeah the quran even reasons with us telling use ur logic in conjunction with scientifc facts only being discovered recently.It truely is a miracle and based on the prophet's character he was a honest person and even the person who poisoned him he forgave her but we dont worship the prophet.He's just a slave. Just like jesus was. God is testing us and yeahh... its a deep story

fivefourthreetwo

 

[oldhermit]

Prophet Muhammad(saw) had 40 years before being declared a prophet to show his character and he was labelled the truthful/honest.Plus he was illiterate
The Quran has many scientific and historical and linguistic miracles
Ill give a few .Linguistics wise the quran is amazing in Surah Baqara God says if you think this is from a man then produce a chapter like it. The shortest chapter in it is 10 words which has approximately 40 literary techniques in arabic i've only counted 24 in english, but nevertheless still amazing.
Historically the King at the time was called a Pharoh in the Quran during the time of Moses but during the time of prophet yusuf(joesph) the king is known as king which is confirmed by a recent historical discovery
Scientifically the quran talks about the big bang which is pretty awesome and that water is the origin of life “Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30) Also it tells that the universe is expanding which is a recent discovery " “And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)"Then Jesus(saw)submitted his will to god which is the very definition of a muslim and prayed ,fasted,was circumised and so on.I mean who else could know this ? An illiterate man in the dessert couldn't know this , only the creater could. This is the only the tip of the iceberg .God who we call Allah which translates to "the god" like Elohim in the bible has sent over 100,000 messengers to the whole earth and the Aboriginal tribes had a concept of an Eternal supreme being which matches the description of the quran in the bible . look here The Concept of God among the Aborigines of Australia press ctrl f and search for the words god. We belive Jesus Christ and we believe he is one of the best men to ever walk on this Earth and u cant be muslim unless u believe in Jesus christ.However Jesus christ never claimed divinity but rather he said " the father is greater than i " meaning Jesus could not be the father and hence Jesus doesn't equal the father.But the church teaches a concept of trinity a term which is non-existent in the bible.
There's so much but yeah the quran even reasons with us telling use ur logic in conjunction with scientifc facts only being discovered recently.It truely is a miracle and based on the prophet's character he was a honest person and even the person who poisoned him he forgave her but we dont worship the prophet.He's just a slave. Just like jesus was. God is testing us and yeahh... its a deep story

Muhammad was no prophet and you have no interest in truth. All you are doing is attempting to push an ungodly agenda.

 

[lookingforthetruth]

In an effort to conceptualize God, man has posed such questions as, where did God come from, how big is God, how long is eternity, or can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it? These and other such questions attempt to understand God within the confines of time and space.Since man draws upon comparisons to understand things in this world, he quite naturally tries to understand God in the same way. In the absence of revelation, he can do nothing else. Man feels that he must be able to both qualify and quantify everything in order to understand and categorize it. In the struggle of the human mind to explain the nature of God, man has insisted upon measuring God through the process of natural comparisons. Since God stands outside of man’s ability to rationalize, it is impossible to conceptualize God in terms of time and space. Since we have nothing in our experience with which to compare God or eternity, these questions can add nothing to our understanding of God. God cannot be confined to time or space nor defined by any human metric. These are parameters of strictly linear measurements and can tell us nothing of theunseen world.

My definition of god :"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him."

 

[Karraster]

I'm tellin you guys, this is said to be the fastest growing religion. We best educate ourselves. Gulp.

 

[just-me]

Just me, for the record, Jesus was quoting Ps.22.1 in Matt.27.46 so we would read the Psalm and see what the body of Christ, his future Church, would have to endure. Ps.22.21 aligns with 2 Tim.4.17, referring to Paul's ministry, and Ps.22.13 lines up with the warning in 1 Pet.5.8 that Satan goes about "as a roaring lion seeking whom he may destroy". Ps.22.30 show us what Generation Matt.24.34 is referring to.

We need to keep in mind that Jesus was the second Adam? The first Adam sinned and died, the second Adam did not sin, and did not have to die(Jn.10.17-18), but did to lead us back to the life that preceded sin - through faith in his death and resurrection(Luke 24.39), to be accomplished in "the dispensation of the fullness of time"; Eph.1.10, Jn.13.36, 6.30-40-44-54-58-63.

Hashem Tzidkeinu

Hashem Tzidkeinu=ה 'צדקתי= God is right. Thank you.

 

[oldhermit]

My definition of god :"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him."

I am not interested in what the Koran has to say about God. The only thing I will accept as truth is the Bible. What does the Bible say about God.

 

[lookingforthetruth]

fivefourthreetwo

How many wives did Solumun have and how many did Abraham have ? How many women are raped at america everyday honestly dont open this topic its worse for you. if you havent lost your virginity by 16 your lame while the prophet said the best of you in men are those who are best of you to your wives and heaven is under the feet of your mother and well ill show u a pdf i wrote to scientifically justify to you ur comparing apples and oranges. READ THIS

"Today in society whenever Prophet Muhammad (saw) is mentioned in a non-Muslim household he is usually labelled as a pedophile.Today I examine this fact.
In chemistry and biology it is seen that higher temperature increases the rate of reaction to an extent seen through biological examples such as yeast which its optimum temperature is 37ºC which is pretty hot.
The universities of North Caroline, Arizona, South Colorado, California,Colorada State and many more reputable sources have written many articles that prove higher temperatures to an extent exhibit faster rates of growth compared to lesser temperatures in regards to biological organisms.
Top 10 countries with highest rates of child marriage

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[TD]Where are the so-called Muslim Paedophiles? I don’t see Saudi Arabia,Egypt,Yemen,Libya,Indonesia or any country like that?

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[/TR]
[/TABLE]
1. Niger, 75%;
2. Chad and Central African Republic, 68%;
3. Bangladesh, 66%;
4. Guinea, 63%;

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[TR]
[TD]Notice the trend. All of these countries are lacking wealth to purchase the technology hence they stimulate an environment similar to 600 AD.

[/TD]
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[/TABLE]
5. Mozambique, 56%;
6. Mali, 55%;
7. Burkina Faso and South Sudan, 52%
8. Nepal: 51%
9. Malawi, 50%
10. Ethiopia: 49%
From World Vision & WHO

Now think about Saudi Arabia which today is one of the hottest countries on the Earth imagine 1400 years ago with a low level technology would not this scientific principle apply?
Practically in history we see that this is true but rather society’s ignorance and hypocrisy deems the marriage Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Aisha barbaric while with a level of education this common lie of society easily does not make sense and shows who the true barbarians are."

 

[Karraster]

Say, Pumpkin, would you get Mommy the fly swatter, please?

What a darling child! me no wana fly swat...uh un..

 

[lookingforthetruth]

I am not interested in what the Koran has to say about God. The only thing I will accept as truth is the Bible. What does the Bible say about God.

Yeah the jews saw the red sea split before their eyes and they didn't worship god so honestly idc if you want truth youll be guided to truth instead Christianity is a CULTURAL thing to you . sunday churchis a family habit honestly look at the facts. the choice is yours god has given you free will and as He says you freely choose Hell or heaven . "there is no compulsion in religoin "

 

[Karraster]

How many wives did Solumun have and how many did Abraham have ? How many women are raped at america everyday honestly dont open this topic its worse for you. if you havent lost your virginity by 16 your lame while the prophet said the best of you in men are those who are best of you to your wives and heaven is under the feet of your mother and well ill show u a pdf i wrote to scientifically justify to you ur comparing apples and oranges. READ THIS

"Today in society whenever Prophet Muhammad (saw) is mentioned in a non-Muslim household he is usually labelled as a pedophile.Today I examine this fact.
In chemistry and biology it is seen that higher temperature increases the rate of reaction to an extent seen through biological examples such as yeast which its optimum temperature is 37ºC which is pretty hot.
The universities of North Caroline, Arizona, South Colorado, California,Colorada State and many more reputable sources have written many articles that prove higher temperatures to an extent exhibit faster rates of growth compared to lesser temperatures in regards to biological organisms.
Top 10 countries with highest rates of child marriage

[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]Where are the so-called Muslim Paedophiles? I don’t see Saudi Arabia,Egypt,Yemen,Libya,Indonesia or any country like that?
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
1. Niger, 75%;
2. Chad and Central African Republic, 68%;
3. Bangladesh, 66%;
4. Guinea, 63%;

[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]Notice the trend. All of these countries are lacking wealth to purchase the technology hence they stimulate an environment similar to 600 AD.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
5. Mozambique, 56%;
6. Mali, 55%;
7. Burkina Faso and South Sudan, 52%
8. Nepal: 51%
9. Malawi, 50%
10. Ethiopia: 49%
From World Vision & WHO

Now think about Saudi Arabia which today is one of the hottest countries on the Earth imagine 1400 years ago with a low level technology would not this scientific principle apply?
Practically in history we see that this is true but rather society’s ignorance and hypocrisy deems the marriage Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Aisha barbaric while with a level of education this common lie of society easily does not make sense and shows who the true barbarians are."

bye bye one

 

[lookingforthetruth]

I am not interested in what the Koran has to say about God. The only thing I will accept as truth is the Bible. What does the Bible say about God.

BTW for muslims its compuslory to have a beard .Let me ask you didnt jesus,noah,moses,abraham all have beaards (saw) so why dont u follow their teachings why do u instead worship the son when you were told to worship the father ? jesus said the father is greater than i ? yet u go and worship the son wow * applause *

 

[lookingforthetruth]

bye bye one

Scientific explanation for the marriage with Aisha instead it's probaly just a joke to you oh welll i had the open-mindness to learn about christianity i have problems with it but at least i took the time to try and understand it . your minds are just sealed because of media values .too bad

 

[oldhermit]

Yeah the jews saw the red sea split before their eyes and they didn't worship god so honestly idc if you want truth youll be guided to truth instead Christianity is a CULTURAL thing to you . sunday churchis a family habit honestly look at the facts. the choice is yours god has given you free will and as He says you freely choose Hell or heaven . "there is no compulsion in religoin "

Since we come from two vastly different backgrounds it is obvious that in order for us to continue our discussion, we must find a single point of reference. If you are truly interested in how to read the Bible and learn what the Bible has to say about the nature of God is there any chance that we can start over and begin addressing this topic from the sole vantage point of the Bible?

 

[BananaPie]

Say there, Looking4Truth,

The Truth you seek can be found in Jesus Christ. Above all else, learn each word the Lord Jesus spoke. Then read the Lord's thoughts over and over again for the remainder of your life.

The Holy Spirit of the Lord God Almighty will guide you once you quiet down your soul.

The Lord Jesus came to promise you most wonderful perennial blessings of Truth, but if you're all tangled up in mortal thoughts, how exactly is your mind being renewed with the Truth from God?

Remember, the Lord Jesus explained it best: "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness..." ...just saying.

Later,
BPie

 

[morninglory]

Why did Jesus say " "Elah, Elah, Lama Sabachthani?" " Google what "Ellah " means btw the first Arabic bible was translated in the 8th century while the Quran was sent down in the 6th century . The truth is clear from a lie .

What translation are you reading? I have a copy of the greek, and the word is not elah

 

[morninglory]

BTW for muslims its compuslory to have a beard .Let me ask you didnt jesus,noah,moses,abraham all have beaards (saw) so why dont u follow their teachings why do u instead worship the son when you were told to worship the father ? jesus said the father is greater than i ? yet u go and worship the son wow * applause *

"Lookingforthe truth, no beating around the bush"?!!! The very words you used to start this thread is a deception, whether you know it or not, you are not here to find the truth, you are here to try to confound those that have found it, or at least have potiential to find it. What you don't know, is that once the Shepherd's voice has been heard, the true sheep cannot follow another. You need to sign on in another name now and try a different approach, because this one failed.