What is Dispensationalism?

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zone

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Why don't you keep your word and go back to your own thread and post there. You made that promise, so why don't you keep it and allow others to post here without your input. You responded to a request that was made to you personally and you agreed with the request.
why sure i will Red33.
and anyone who hasn't been paying attention will listen to you.
and end up where you are.

looking forward to slaughtering animals and such.
apparently that's not considered heresy at CC.


so go for it.

write all about it - a Glorified Jesus Christ sitting on a manmade throne in a pile of rubble in Jerusalem.
while jews slit the throats of animals and lay them on some manmade altar, the blood pouring down and God is PLEASED. oh such PLEASURE.

is that what He's so pleased with when da big bad Antichrist marches into the super-duper new temple God wanted...and he's such a bad Antichrist, he calls a halt to the sacrifices god is pleased with?

what a terrible awful Antichrist - stopping the killing of bulls and goats - Father loves that stuff. no wonder God is mad at Antichrist...putting an end to sacrifices?

and Jesus? pffftt - whatever. ya i know. He died on the Cross and all that...but that's only for the Grace Mystery Gap Church.

LET'S GET BACK TO ANIMAL BLOOD.
dat's what God REALLY loves.

enjoy your loony bin thread - dispensationalists who dig in their heels and go all the way down that road with the devil deserve what they get.

TOTAL DELUSION.
 
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why sure i will BradC.
and anyone who hasn't been paying attention will listen to you.
and end up where you are.

looking forward to slaughtering animals and such.
apparently that's not considered heresy at CC.


so go for it.

write all about it - a Glorified Jesus Christ sitting on a manmade throne in a pile of rubble in Jerusalem.
while jews slit the throats of animals and lay them on some manmade altar, the blood pouring down and God is PLEASED. oh such PLEASURE.

is that what He's so pleased with when da big bad Antichrist marches into the super-duper new temple God wanted...and he's such a bad Antichrist, he calls a halt to the sacrifices god is pleased with?

what a terrible awful Antichrist - stopping the killing of bulls and goats - Father loves that stuff. no wonder God is mad at Antichrist...putting an end to sacrifices?

and Jesus? pffftt - whatever. ya i know. He died on the Cross and all that...but that's only for the Grace Mystery Gap Church.

LET'S GET BACK TO ANIMAL BLOOD.
dat's what God REALLY loves.

enjoy your loony bin thread - dispensationalists who dig in their heels and go all the way down that road with the devil deserve what they get.

TOTAL DELUSION.
Ladies and gentlemen she has left the building but not without saying a few parting thoughts. Here is what one man has said concerning ...

Why will there be animal sacrifices and Feast days and the Sabbath reinstituted in the Millennium period?

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

Zech 14:16-18 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

v.21 “Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.”
Isaiah also says, Isaiah 56:7 “Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

Isa 66:23 "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. Isa. 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Sabbath, it also teaches we will keep the New Moon festival! This is on earth in the Millennium period- not in heaven."

If the Sabbath and feast days and the sacrifices are done away with in Christ how do we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions? How can there be a return to the sacrificial system without taking away from the meritorious sacrifice of Christ?

Millennial Israel will have at its center the Temple. Sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), will continually be done during the Kingdom Age (Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15).The millennial offerings are distinctly Jewish in nature, of Jewish history and will be administered by Jews, their commemorative purpose will be embraced by Gentiles who will join in celebration of the millennial King who will be on earth. This is made clear in Zechariah 8 v.23, 'In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him who is a Jew, saying, We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you'.

It will some similarities to Mosaic system and some new features. So it should not be mistaken for a reinstitution of Mosaic law system, since Moses sacrificial system did not take away sin but Jesus' last sacrifice did. The problem is easily solved if we view them as being COMMEMORATIVE rather than EFFICACIOUS.

The sacrifices will be a memorial, just as communion is practiced today looking back. They will not be propitiation, or effacacious (they will have no power to redeem) but are a reminder of what took place. The reason this will be instituted is because there will be many unbelievers born in the Millennial period, they will be sinners that will need to understand the sacrifice Christ did. Since his sacrifice is the final one, that cannot be repeated the types he fulfilled will be illustrative of his accomplishment. Just as the church is commanded to continue the Lord's Supper until he comes.

In Isa. 53 the Servant of Jehovah’s sacrifice puts an end to all animals sacrifices. Just as the Old Testament sacrifices pointed forward to Christ, and found their fulfillment in the supreme efficacious sacrifice of Christ, so the millennial sacrifices will look back in commemorative fulfillment in the same manner. In other words, the sacrifices will be symbols to the millennial population of the prior sacrifice of Christ. Just as the church is commanded to continue the Lord's Supper until He comes, they will continue in these because He has come. It will also give testimony of his faithfulness to the Jews for whom he first gave these commands to.

The new moon festivals, the feast of tabernacles, and the Sabbaths, were set times among the Hebrews (not Gentiles) for the worship of God; in the Millennium these will be used as the reminders for the assembly of worship as God will be celebrated in all nations. As all Israel assembled in Jerusalem for the three great feasts under the Old Testament law of Moses, representatives of the nations will journey to Jerusalem every new moon and every Sabbath. The new moon was observed with sacrifices. The Sabbath will be kept by the Gentiles which also includes sacrifices; The Mosaic Law forbid Gentile to enter in the Temple (Deut.231-8), but it will be permitted by the new Law instituted by Christ in the Millennium (Ezek.46:1-5).The Gentiles will show their commitment to the covenant by keeping the Sabbath and the Feast days, thus having fellowship with God.

So, far from being contradictory, the millennial sacrificial system will be instituted as a commemorative celebration of the completeness of the last and efficacious sacrifice of our Saviour, Jesus Christ our Lord and redeemer. The temple will truly become a house of prayer for all nations.
 
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Another has said this.

Many who take a literal interpretation of these sacrifices also believe that they will
serve as a memorial to Christ’s once-for-all atoning work. Yet, critics believe this to be a
flawed conclusion. Support for a future memorial aspect can be seen in the fact that our
current observation of the Lord’s Supper includes this aspect (1 Cor. 11:23-26). Under
the Mosaic system—which looked ahead—many times various Temple sacrifices are
specifically called “memorials” (Ex. 30:16; Lev. 2:2, 9; 5:12; 6:15; 24:7; Num. 5:15, 18, 26).
Such terminology could in fact be the basis for our current church age understanding of
remembering the Lord’s death adopted by Paul. The Mosaic memorial aspect clearly
supports viewing future Temple sacrifices in this way, as millennial believers look back
upon Christ's sacrificial provision.

CONCLUSION
The presence and purpose of millennial sacrifices neither diminish the finished work
of Christ, nor violates the literal interpretation of these prophetic passages. Nothing in
Ezekiel 40—48 conflicts with the death of Christ or New Testament teaching at any
point. The supposed contradictions between a literal understanding of Ezekiel and
New Testament doctrine evaporate when examined specifically and harmonized.
Although there will be millennial sacrifices, the focus of all worship will remain on the
person and work of the Savior. The millennial Temple and its ritual will serve as a daily
reminder of fallen man’s need before a Holy God and lessons about how this same God
lovingly works to remove the obstacle of human sin for those who trust Him.
Maranatha!
 
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The "Holy city" is Jerusalem and the "saints" are the saved. After the Rapture of the Church, there will still be "saints in the city of Jerusalem, the 144,000 Jews will be saved after the Rapture and be here on earth during the 70th wk of Daniel To try to make the 70 weeks to end at 70ad with the destruction of the temple is impossible ,please show me, where is the 7yrs after Jesus ' cruciviction to "to make an end of sin", to seal up vision and prophecy", the New Testament never sealed up prophecys it opened up more prophecies for Israel and the continuing Church and the world, for the next dispensation of God's Grace . And all the Distruction of the Gentiles nations which come against Jerusalem, there was no destruction of the Romans (and all nations) only Rome came at 70rd and they destroyed the ciyl of Jerusalem ,at the end timje, Jerusalem is victor over all the nations of the world,, Zone show me in history where the Jews won their victory over ALL THE NATIONS of the world coming against Her ,?, NEVER has that happen, to this day, NEVER! Love to all, Hoffco
 
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The "Holy city" is Jerusalem and the "saints" are the saved. After the Rapture of the Church, there will still be "saints in the city of Jerusalem, the 144,000 Jews will be saved after the Rapture and be here on earth during the 70th wk of Daniel To try to make the 70 weeks to end at 70ad with the destruction of the temple is impossible ,please show me, where is the 7yrs after Jesus ' cruciviction to "to make an end of sin", to seal up vision and prophecy", the New Testament never sealed up prophecys it opened up more prophecies for Israel and the continuing Church and the world, for the next dispensation of God's Grace . And all the Distruction of the Gentiles nations which come against Jerusalem, there was no destruction of the Romans (and all nations) only Rome came at 70rd and they destroyed the ciyl of Jerusalem ,at the end timje, Jerusalem is victor over all the nations of the world,, Zone show me in history where the Jews won their victory over ALL THE NATIONS of the world coming against Her ,?, NEVER has that happen, to this day, NEVER! Love to all, Hoffco
 
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A dispensation is a managed period of time that God has chosen to do a specific work and plan of stewardship in the minds and hearts of people through his mercy and through the diversity of his grace. This work begins with words and actions from God to a chosen individual and /or elect company with the purpose of instructing them and revealing to them by promise or covenant a relationship that he wants to establish with man whom he created in his image and for his pleasure and to institute a fellowship based upon his nature and character through that work and plan.

God established a relationship with Adam in the garden and gave specific instructions as to the work that was to be done and the fruit that Adam was to partake of which included the tree of life in the midst of the garden. Adam transgressed and ate of the tree of knowledge that was prohibited by God and sin entered into the picture. The plan of God took a new course when Adam knew that he was naked, covered himself with fig leaves and hid himself. God could no longer relate to Adam as he did before he transgressed, so he covered Adam and his wife with coats of skin and had them removed from the garden and the work he was entrusted with.

That was a dramatic change from God's original intent for Adam and now Adam was to work and till the land by the sweat of his brow. A new measure of grace was instituted toward Adam outside the garden without access to the tree of life. Because sin and transgression caused separation from God's original intent and relationship with Adam, a plan of redemption was instituted through the offering of a blood sacrifice that would bring reconciliation to all those who would be conceived in sin as a result of the fall of man. This sin would lead man to a darkness within that every imagination of his heart was only evil continually and it repented the Lord and grieved him at his heart that he has ever made man on the earth and was determined to destroy all flesh that was corrupt before Him and filling the earth with violence. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, another measure of grace that God instituted and God made a covenant with Noah saving him and his family and ever living creature that had the breath of life.

Shall we go on..........


 
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Dispensationalism is lack of faith

They say God is this way one day and that way another day

God says HE CHANGES NOT

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;


dispensationalism is false doctrine.

The reason they invented it is whoever teaches it, it is because there is some part of the Bible they dont want to do, so they invent this fake reason not to do it

anyone who teaches dispensationalism, run like hell (the grave)

We have two witnesses
old testament and new testament
salvation is always the same
repentance
taught in old and new testament
in old and new testament the obedient live and the disobedient die
always the same.
REPENT

REPENT is the thing the dispensationailsts want to do away with
they want to kill
to steal
to commit adultery
to co to church on the wrong day.
whatever they want
run like hell
 
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Dispensationalism is lack of faith

They say God is this way one day and that way another day

God says HE CHANGES NOT

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;


dispensationalism is false doctrine.

The reason they invented it is whoever teaches it, it is because there is some part of the Bible they dont want to do, so they invent this fake reason not to do it

anyone who teaches dispensationalism, run like hell (the grave)

We have two witnesses
old testament and new testament
salvation is always the same
repentance
taught in old and new testament
in old and new testament the obedient live and the disobedient die
always the same.
REPENT

REPENT is the thing the dispensationailsts want to do away with
they want to kill
to steal
to commit adultery
to co to church on the wrong day.
whatever they want
run like hell
With salvation comes repentance. God grants repentance through the work of salvation. When a man turns from himself to God, he was granted repentance through conviction by the Spirit and was saved by grace. To repent and believe is to be turned by God and to be saved by grace through faith through the sacrifice and shed blood of the Lamb, that taketh away the sin of the world. Those who believe in the manifold wisdom and grace of God throughout the ages do not have a problem with this kind of repentance, the kind that is granted the unbeliever through mercy, when the sinner comes under conviction of the Spirit and responds to that conviction by faith.
 
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BradC , Sorry you will not see the main, evil error of dispensational teaching. This false gospel of "faith only". No real repentance, No hating and stopping a life of sinning, to a life of obedience. To obey God is the heart of the Gospel of GRACE: GRACE is POWER that transforms the sinner from a sinner to a holy loving and obedence saint, AND 2nd. GRACE is MERCY that forgives the repenting and trusting in Jesus Blood sinner. But the New birth comes first. then ,and only then will we repent and trust Jesus for forgiveness and begin at once to obey Jesus as Lord. This false teaching and false christians has given the church a bad reputation. Zone you are running away from our hard questions from Zechariah and 2 Thess. why?, I don't think you have an answer in the light of these clear passages. I may not understand the whys of all of God's ways; BUT, I will not deny the obvious ,clear truth. Be blessed of God. Hoffco
 

zone

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BradC , Sorry you will not see the main, evil error of dispensational teaching. This false gospel of "faith only". No real repentance, No hating and stopping a life of sinning, to a life of obedience. To obey God is the heart of the Gospel of GRACE: GRACE is POWER that transforms the sinner from a sinner to a holy loving and obedence saint, AND 2nd. GRACE is MERCY that forgives the repenting and trusting in Jesus Blood sinner. But the New birth comes first. then ,and only then will we repent and trust Jesus for forgiveness and begin at once to obey Jesus as Lord. This false teaching and false christians has given the church a bad reputation.


Zone you are running away from our hard questions from Zechariah and 2 Thess. why?,
i was asked to leave the thread.
i have no clue what you think your hard questions are.
:)
perhaps you ask them on some other thread.
 

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This false gospel of "faith only". No real repentance, No hating and stopping a life of sinning, to a life of obedience. To obey God is the heart of the Gospel of GRACE: GRACE is POWER that transforms the sinner from a sinner to a holy loving and obedence saint, AND 2nd. GRACE is MERCY that forgives the repenting and trusting in Jesus Blood sinner. But the New birth comes first. then ,and only then will we repent and trust Jesus for forgiveness and begin at once to obey Jesus as Lord.
The idea of faith only is not just dispensational, John MacArthur is a dispensationalist and an avid proponent of Lordship Salvation.

Besides, you're doing a disservice to the "faith alone" belief. The point is not that repentance is not important, the point is that repentance from sin is not a requirement for belief in Christ, it is a natural response to the grace, as you say. This is what many Disp. teacher emphasize again and again. The NT is filled with passages about being rewarded for faithfulness and works and following Christ and repenting. And Disp. and free grace proponents highlight this more than Lordship salvation does.

Salvation has always been by grace through faith. Amen.
 
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Idolaters were led to receive a part of the Christian faith, while they rejected other essential truths. They professed to accept Jesus as the son of God and to believe in his death and resurrection; but they had no conviction of sin and felt no need of repentance or of a change of heart. With some concessions on their part, they proposed that Christians should make concessions, that all might unite on the platform of belief in Christ.

Others reasoned that if they should yield or modify some features of their faith, and unite with those who had accepted a part of Christianity, it might be the means of their full conversion. That was a time of deep anguish to the faithful followers of Christ. Under a cloak of pretended Christianity, satan was insinuating himself into the church, to corrupt their faith and turn their minds from the word of truth.

no compromise with lukewarm christians, you will both perish.
 
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2Thewaters

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We do not need to know what dispensationalism is
it is non biblcal forget it
just follow all that the prohets have spoken
simple.
 

JaumeJ

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All forms of dispensation is just a word, in whatever form it comes. It is not necessarily a school of thought taught in the Word, whether through prophets or through our Salvation.

Bottom line, do not dispute over words or a word. Always accept what is given by the Holy Spirit, or at least always in context.
 
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konroh

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Use your mind. Get educated. Study the Bible. Study language and phrases and syntax and morphology. Appreciate that God used words to show us His thoughts. Avail oneself to 2000 years of church history and 4000 years of biblical scholars interpreting the text. If you don't find the Holy Spirit in all that, you aren't ever going to find Him.
 
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Dispensationalism is lack of faith

They say God is this way one day and that way another day

God says HE CHANGES NOT

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
Just because God changes his mind - does not mean HE, himself, has changed. Wasn't there a time when the people were ruled by judges - then they wanted to be ruled by a king because they no longer wanted to be ruled by God? God didn't want them to be ruled by a king - He knew it would be a mistake but God granted them a king - He allowed them to have a king - that is a change in administration/stewardship - that is dispensation.
dispensationalism is false doctrine.

The reason they invented it is whoever teaches it, it is because there is some part of the Bible they dont want to do, so they invent this fake reason not to do it

anyone who teaches dispensationalism, run like hell (the grave)

We have two witnesses
old testament and new testament
salvation is always the same
repentance
taught in old and new testament
in old and new testament the obedient live and the disobedient die
always the same.
REPENT

REPENT is the thing the dispensationailsts want to do away with
they want to kill
to steal
to commit adultery
to co to church on the wrong day.
whatever they want
run like hell
^^^^^^This is a total misrepresentation.
 

konroh

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no compromise with lukewarm christians, you will both perish.
I'm really glad Rev. 3:
14 disagrees with you:

“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

21To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

This entire letter to Laodicea is a call for those Christians to be useful and accept the rebuke and discipline and have intimate fellowship with Christ. To be truly rich, truly clothed, truly healed. Laodicea was known both for its cold and hot springs. The point is not that they should be hot and on fire for Jesus, He wanted them either cold (refreshing) or hot (renewing). The point is He wanted them to be useful and to repent and let Christ abide in them. If they repented and were victorious in this life, they would sit on His throne with Him, they would be rewarded. This is an incredible reward.

These Lukewarm believers were not in danger of losing salvation or not having it, they were in danger of not being rewarded, not having fellowship with Christ, not being victorious.
 
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To Konroh, You do not know the true requirerments for salvation, Repent , Trust and Obey. Sorry to say, John MacArthur has fallen fron his once held "Lordship of Christ" Gospel to a weak "faith only" position. "Lukewarm" christians are lost. only "overcomers" are saved. It is a sad day indeed . I think John Pipper is more faithful to the Bible than MarArthur. Many of John MacArther's older sermons are better than his new ones, He goes to extremes , as in the conf. on "strange Fire", He totally condemns all supernaturalness of our faith. He say he has "never felt the Spirit in him.". How can a Christian not feel the workings of God in Him. He is so anti pentecostal that he denies his owe warming of his heart by the work of the Spirit, "the Spirit witnesses with our spiri that we are the children of God". this is a feeling. When I sin, God convices me, this is not a good feeling, but ,when I do good I feel the happiness of the Spirit in my soul.. The bulk of the Pentecostal movement is of the Devil, but their is a good part. Hoffco
 

zone

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To Konroh, You do not know the true requirerments for salvation, Repent , Trust and Obey. Sorry to say, John MacArthur has fallen fron his once held "Lordship of Christ" Gospel to a weak "faith only" position. "Lukewarm" christians are lost. only "overcomers" are saved. It is a sad day indeed . I think John Pipper is more faithful to the Bible than MarArthur. Many of John MacArther's older sermons are better than his new ones, He goes to extremes , as in the conf. on "strange Fire", He totally condemns all supernaturalness of our faith. He say he has "never felt the Spirit in him.". How can a Christian not feel the workings of God in Him. He is so anti pentecostal that he denies his owe warming of his heart by the work of the Spirit, "the Spirit witnesses with our spiri that we are the children of God". this is a feeling. When I sin, God convices me, this is not a good feeling, but ,when I do good I feel the happiness of the Spirit in my soul.. The bulk of the Pentecostal movement is of the Devil, but their is a good part. Hoffco
why do you have that in quotations?
please cite your source(s).

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"Invisible Work, Visible Results

Clearly here the issue is a work of the Holy Spirit. 1 John 3:23–24. Our salvation is confirmed and we are assured that we belong to Christ because of the work of the Holy Spirit. Our assurance, our confidence, the affirmation of the reality of our salvation is based upon the working of the Holy Spirit. I know the Holy Spirit is invisible, that He works in a supernatural and divine and imperceptible way within us. However, while the working of the Holy Spirit is invisible, the results are visible. While we do not experience or “feel” the Holy Spirit, the manifestation of His work we do experience.

One of the follies of the Charismatic movement is to say, “The Holy Spirit is leading me,” or “directing me.” You have no way to know that. I have no way to know that. I don’t have a red light on my head when it’s the Holy Spirit and goes off when it’s just me. I have no mechanism of understanding when it’s the Holy Spirit or just me. All I know is I can experience the result of His moving in my life.

And it started when I was saved: I had a hatred of sin and a love for things that honor God. I wasn’t at all interested in philosophy (which was my minor in college), but I had and continue to have a consuming passion to know the Word of God. I didn’t see or feel the Spirit doing that, but I know the result of His Work. I tolerate those in the world with compassion, but I adore God’s people. I don’t even know who you are, but I love you in a real sense—not that I know all about you—but there’s something about those who belong to Christ, they belong to me. These are things that are evidences of an invisible work by the Holy Spirit.

So we know that Christ abides in us because we know the Spirit He has given us is manifest in us"

Strange Fire – Testing the Spirits – John MacArthur | the Cripplegate < click

and this:

He totally condemns all supernaturalness of our faith.

is a lie, dear.


oops....i'm not supposed to be on this thread.
 
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Zone , It sounds like you agree with my "feeling" God moving in my life. But you have a distaste of the word "feeling". I would not condemn MacArthur as strongly as you do. I see his total dependent upon the power of God in his preaching, but he just has closed his mind to a few certain Bible teachings because of his friends he associates with. We all have our "click" we run with. I am so "radically Biblical" that my friends are very few. I have been rejected so much ,that I am a loner,just to protect my heart. BUT ,I boldly stand on what I believe, to my debtrament. Hoffco