Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[secularhermit]

Wow! Is it a poll or a sort for consensus?

If I'd vote for that, I could vote for rapers, liars, etc, etc. If a nation agree on ANYTHING, those who agree are guilty, same way THOSE JEWS who said "his blood be on us" (Gospel of John).

Homosexuality is both, masculine and femenine and, as a voter, some may say -like me- I'd vote for lesbians (since they're women and no men). Of course, if ANYONE vote, he is giving permission AN OFFENDER to woo his/her sister or son to be involved LEGALLY in sodomy or lesbianism... Few years from now, drug dealers will ask me to legalize drugs, strong ones too, to get their profit and more on both things, ODD sex and drugs.

Why would I like to know about this, as a poll? To prove same sexed people wnat to marry when opposite sexed people want to be devided and divorce?

My personal opinion serves for nothing, but I left these lines for those who see...

 

[homwardbound]

Hmmm, all this talk of judging. Maybe we ought to see if we should judge and under what circumstances...

1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

As far as judging (discerning) right and wrong, we should be able to do that.

Actually only God can if you walk in the Spirit as Christ did, then righteous judgment is in place of God's unfathomable love to all flesh that was condemned at the death of Christ

[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

 

[homwardbound]

You previously quoted 1st Corinthians 6:9-11 to talk about ". . .SICK ABOMINATION OF SEXUAL PERVERSION!!!" That passage also talks about adulterers. Christ taught that anyone who divorced for any reason other than adultery and re-married would be committing adultery. Clearly, then, you must feel that women who divorce faithful but physically abusive husbands and then re-marry are just as "sick" and "perverse" as homosexuals, correct? Or are you cherry-picking?

There are editors that destroy the good news of God. And there are God's News Boys that present to us truth that god just love us so much that Christ went to the death for us, in his flesh to present us holy before God the Father and by the resurrection give us new life in the Spirit, so being reconciled through the death:
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[LatentAuthor]

It is clear that the woman wanted sex with the wrong man. He has defiled another mans promise of marriage, and that is not loving your brother as yourself as the law says.

Clearly the woman wanted sex because no one heard her cry. As everyone no doubt realizes, a woman cannot be raped and not scream loud enough to be heard by others. Obviously this woman should be bludgeoned to death.

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This was dishonoring her parents because she lied saying she was a virgin when she had lost her virginity previously. This is breaking another law that says to honor your father and mother.

Clearly the moral response to lying to your parents is to be bludgeoned to death in front of them. I am sure every parent of a teenage girl would agree that this is what their daughter would deserve if she wasn't able to prove she was a virgin. Also, obviously nothing else could possibly cause a woman to not be able to prove her virginity other than previous sexual intercourse. It's just so clear.

This is to hold the man accountable. He will either hold true to his wife, or if he keeps the attitude of being a rapist, he will rape another woman sooner or later, and when found out, he would then be killed. The law was made to stop these types of people from continuing in sin. That is the love of God in action.

The love of God in action is to force a woman to marry her rapist. . .wow, I don't think even my vast storehouse of sarcasm can stomach that one.

 

[LatentAuthor]

God outlines what is natural by inspired scripture it is a lamp unto my feet

Oh. . .so slavery is natural? Because God outlined that by inspired scripture as well. Or should we just pick out the things in the bible that we agree with and ignore the ones we don't? I'm really not trying to change the topic from homosexuality here, I'm just pointing out how utterly inconsistent your line of reasoning is.

 

[LatentAuthor]

In the old times man were to protect woman. In present times it is difficult because a. women have become so independent of men. b. the way of living has changed.
I agree with the holding the man accountable part but if he keeps going, I don't think there's a law commanding he'd be killed. He has to face the same judgment, pay the same penalty and marry the next victim. Yes, more than a wife now.
Question to ask is, who in the right mind would go near such a person alone? Unlike present day the identity of an offender is usually covered up, back then everyone knew because they lived in such close proximity and relation. But then it's "just me" thinking...

So. . .a serial rapist could simply find young, un-engaged victims; rape them; marry them; continue to abuse them and then go out and do it again, and again, and again. All the while binding more and more young girls to him legally. But it's clearly the girl's fault since. . .you know. . .they went near him.

This is disturbing on so many levels - I hope you take a moment to actually consider what you're saying.

 

[Apostol2013]

The question to the forum was do you think God accepts homosexuality ? It is not a matter of judging but of discerment , according to scriptures it is an abomination to the Lord and if there is no change of heart in the homosexual to change and faith to seek that miracle to be liberated by the power of God not just the power of discipline but discipline is very good to do but if there is no effort then there is no more to do for that person but remains under death

 

[john832]

Actually only God can if you walk in the Spirit as Christ did, then righteous judgment is in place of God's unfathomable love to all flesh that was condemned at the death of Christ

Matthew 10:16-20

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20[/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

You don't think a converted Christian can judge between right and wrong?

 

[Apostol2013]

Oh. . .so slavery is natural? Because God outlined that by inspired scripture as well. Or should we just pick out the things in the bible that we agree with and ignore the ones we don't? I'm really not trying to change the topic from homosexuality here, I'm just pointing out how utterly inconsistent your line of reasoning is.

But we are speaking on the righteousness of things not the law of moses but the subject is no God does not aprove of homosexuality

 

[Apostol2013]

Oh. . .so slavery is natural? Because God outlined that by inspired scripture as well. Or should we just pick out the things in the bible that we agree with and ignore the ones we don't? I'm really not trying to change the topic from homosexuality here, I'm just pointing out how utterly inconsistent your line of reasoning is.

But sin is sin but to go about with no repentance it is death but remember why we come to God is for change and that is the key . We are not looking at the now part but of an eternity the flesh is temporary that is why it is called corruptible

 

[LatentAuthor]

But we are speaking on the righteousness of things not the law of moses but the subject is no God does not aprove of homosexuality

Yes, and my point is that you are cherry picking from the Bible in your condemnation of it. Yes, the Bible explicitly condemns homosexuality - but the Bible also explicitly condones slavery and proscribes execution for things that we don't even consider crimes anymore like lying to your parents or not being able to prove you are a virgin or for being raped without being able to scream loud enough.

 

[Rockbysea]

but the Bible also explicitly condones slavery and proscribes execution for things that we don't even consider crimes anymore like lying to your parents or not being able to prove you are a virgin or for being raped without being able to scream loud enough.

The relation between God and Israel through the old covenant was between God and the nation of Israel. God was the direct ruler and governing body over the people. In order for Him to give those laws He had to physically take the people out of Egypt who at the time were under the governing authorities of Egypt. God would not impose those laws on the children of Israel while they were under the jurisdiction of the Egyptian government anymore than He would impose those laws on people who are under the jurisdiction of the governments of today.

You seem to be indicating that the government of God over the nation of Israel was something out of the ignorant dark ages and that the governments you have over you today are somehow far more enlightened. Yes… the enlightened governing authorities that rule today do not consider lying to parents a crime. They also don’t consider same sex marriage, butchering 3,000 babies per day within the womb, poisoning the food supply, or teaching children in schools about gay sex and how to masturbate etc… a crime either because in many jurisdictions that’s the law.

And you put down slavery in the Bible not really knowing that the laws under the old covenant regarding slavery resulted in a more free and liberated slave than today’s brainwashed and branded slave zombies that are running around trapped within a hi-tech slave grid with their blackberries who believe that they are actually free.

Isn’t living in the matrix bliss?

 

[Apostol2013]

Yes, and my point is that you are cherry picking from the Bible in your condemnation of it. Yes, the Bible explicitly condemns homosexuality - but the Bible also explicitly condones slavery and proscribes execution for things that we don't even consider crimes anymore like lying to your parents or not being able to prove you are a virgin or for being raped without being able to scream loud enough.

Later no one is cherry picking are you upset at the fact God condemns sin but if you chose to discuss law then it was just for the development of a nation and have you studied how slaves were set free at the seventh year and given property not to be let go empty handed generally one was made a slave maybe usually over debt and the slave would work in exchange to pay his debt , also if the woman did not fight or scream it would bring dishonor to her family but these were laws for a nation and development of the race as christ was to come from israel and also the land was in the state of repurification but the laws were just

 

[Kerry]

The dream of a homo is that everybody would be homo. But, if that were the case would there be anybody. Satan has that same dream.

 

[LatentAuthor]

You seem to be indicating that the government of God over the nation of Israel was something out of the ignorant dark ages and that the governments you have over you today are somehow far more enlightened. Yes… the enlightened governing authorities that rule today do not consider lying to parents a crime. They also don’t consider same sex marriage, butchering 3,000 babies per day within the womb, poisoning the food supply, or teaching children in schools about gay sex and how to masturbate etc… a crime either because in many jurisdictions that’s the law.

Please provide a reference to a school public school curriculum that includes teaching children how to masturbate. That sounds utterly ridiculous, as do most of the other claims here.

And you put down slavery in the Bible not really knowing that the laws under the old covenant regarding slavery resulted in a more free and liberated slave than today’s brainwashed and branded slave zombies that are running around trapped within a hi-tech slave grid with their blackberries who believe that they are actually free.

Isn’t living in the matrix bliss?

From the sound of it only one of us actually knows what the bible says about slavery. You appear about ready to tell me all about how the only slavery in the bible was a type of temporary debt-slavery, completely ignorant of the fact that this is only one type of slavery condoned in the bible. If you didn't happen to be a male, Hebrew, adult things were very, very different. Father's could sell their children to cover debts, owners of foreign slaves could keep their slaves and the children of their slaves as property forever, and slave owners could beat their slaves. . .as long as they didn't die right away.

Come on, we both know that if either of us saw this taking place today we would instantly recognize it as immoral. Isn't it cherry picking to ignore this while stressing the Bible's teaching on homosexuality as perfect?

 

[GISMYS]

GOD'S WORD ON THE SICK ABOMINATION OF SEXUAL PERVERSION=ROMANS 1:21-27== They did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools.24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. THE ABOMINATION OF SICK SEXUAL PERVERSION IS A SICK CHOICE!!! BELIEVE GOD'S WORD!!!!

 

[Kerry]

Please provide a reference to a school public school curriculum that includes teaching children how to masturbate. That sounds utterly ridiculous, as do most of the other claims here.



From the sound of it only one of us actually knows what the bible says about slavery. You appear about ready to tell me all about how the only slavery in the bible was a type of temporary debt-slavery, completely ignorant of the fact that this is only one type of slavery condoned in the bible. If you didn't happen to be a male, Hebrew, adult things were very, very different. Father's could sell their children to cover debts, owners of foreign slaves could keep their slaves and the children of their slaves as property forever, and slave owners could beat their slaves. . .as long as they didn't die right away.

Come on, we both know that if either of us saw this taking place today we would instantly recognize it as immoral. Isn't it cherry picking to ignore this while stressing the Bible's teaching on homosexuality as perfect?

California public schools teach this and acceptance of the homo life style. If you watch FNN you would know this, other mainstream news do not report these things also Insight on SBN.

 

[LatentAuthor]

have you studied how slaves were set free at the seventh year and given property not to be let go empty handed generally one was made a slave maybe usually over debt and the slave would work in exchange to pay his debt ,

Yes. . .if you were a Hebrew, adult, male. If not then:

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life. . ." --Leviticus 25:44-46

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Also, there was a loophole wherein you could trick even a Hebrew debt slave into a life of perpetual servitude by blackmailing him with his children:

“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the door-post and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life." --Exodus 21:2


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also if the woman did not fight or scream it would bring dishonor to her family but these were laws for a nation and development of the race as christ was to come from israel and also the land was in the state of repurification but the laws were just

Oh. . .so rape victims needed to die if they were too scared or unable to scream because being raped is "impure". Does that really make sense to you? I was being sarcastic before but. . .I mean. . .you do understand that someone could have just covered their mouth or help a knife to their throat right? You do realize that people can be so terrified that they actually can't scream, don't you? Do you think it's moral to stone a rape victim for that?

 

[GISMYS]

Jeremiah 34:14 ► Every seventh year each of you must free any fellow Hebrews who have sold themselves to you. After they have served you six years, you must let them go free.' Your ancestors, however, did not listen to me or pay attention to me.

 

[LatentAuthor]

California public schools teach this and acceptance of the homo life style. If you watch FNN you would know this, other mainstream news do not report these things also Insight on SBN.

Here's the California Department of Education Comprehensive Sexual Health & HIV/AIDS Instruction page, when you find instructions for masturbation let me know. Good luck with that.