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Kerry
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Ithink that I am beginning to agree with Obama, People our dumb and government must provide for their stupidity. I'm not smart enough to govern myself I need Obama to do it for me!!
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2Thewaters
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Dispensationalism is a bunch of worldly guys with doctorate degrees who want large churches that pretend to follow the Bible.
Because if you really teach the Bible, your church will have two maybe three members and that is not acceptable, because the goal is to make money
so
dispensationalism is an invention that lets you say WE FOLLOW THE BIBLE
except of course that chapter
except of course this chapter
except of course this writer who was before this time
except of course that writer who was before this time
except of course that Jew
except of course this Jew
etc etc
and any Bible verse that contradicts their liberal sinning church they put them on the list that are outdated.
This codtrine was invented by pagan monks called society of Jesus (nice , huh) to invent a responc=se to Luther and hiw Bible believing christians, because they were being crushed by theri abominable sins and people were getting fed up
so they invented dispensationilsm
The long story short
when someone mentions dispensaltionilism, just walk away
do not argue
you cannot argue with someone who is getting paid to lie.
My Bible says one faith one hope and one baotism
and Jesus told me
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
so the best answer to these people is
Oh, I am not sure about that, let me go home and read my enire Bible through and pray and I will get back to you
If you do that I know you will never cal them back.
Because if you really teach the Bible, your church will have two maybe three members and that is not acceptable, because the goal is to make money
so
dispensationalism is an invention that lets you say WE FOLLOW THE BIBLE
except of course that chapter
except of course this chapter
except of course this writer who was before this time
except of course that writer who was before this time
except of course that Jew
except of course this Jew
etc etc
and any Bible verse that contradicts their liberal sinning church they put them on the list that are outdated.
This codtrine was invented by pagan monks called society of Jesus (nice , huh) to invent a responc=se to Luther and hiw Bible believing christians, because they were being crushed by theri abominable sins and people were getting fed up
so they invented dispensationilsm
The long story short
when someone mentions dispensaltionilism, just walk away
do not argue
you cannot argue with someone who is getting paid to lie.
My Bible says one faith one hope and one baotism
and Jesus told me
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
so the best answer to these people is
Oh, I am not sure about that, let me go home and read my enire Bible through and pray and I will get back to you
If you do that I know you will never cal them back.
you don't read with understanding at all?
i don't condemn him for that quotation - i agree with him.
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Kerry
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The best thing we can do is get zone saved, or dispensate her once and for all. That dispensationalism. ( she don't do isms)
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BradC
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Salvation is believing what God has said and done against yourself and what you believe through your own selective righteousness. When you keep making salvation the issue to debunk dispensational truth you accuse God and limit his ability to bring his salvation and mercy to the mind, heart and soul of those who seek after him. The Son was sent to reveal the Father and Christ came so that man could get to the Father through him by believing his words. The Son was a revelation of the Father through the incarnation and for the disciples, who had doubts about Christ showing them the Father, Jesus said, if you have seen me you have seen the Father. When the Jews rejected the Son they rejected the one who was sent to reveal the Father, the word that became flesh and dwelt among them. Salvation for Adam after his transgression was to be covered by coats of skin by God. Salvation for Noah was to find grace in the eyes of the Lord. Salvation for Abraham was to believe God and that was counted unto him for righteousness... the same for David who had a heart after God. Salvation for Moses was to be separated from Egypt and obey God's instructions to free God's people from their bondage and give them the promises of God. Salvation for Joshua, Caleb and for the remainder of the Israelites was to believe and keep the promises of God and enter the promised land. Salvation for the publican who prayed in the temple was to realize himself a sinner and ask for mercy. Salvation for the malefactor on the cross was asking the Lord to remember him and he entered into paradise that very day with the Lord. Salvation for Rahab the harlot was to hide the spies, lie to the enemy and recieve the promise of deliverance and safety in the day of battle.
Luke 1:67-80 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
I have always pondered this quote from the lips of our Lord Jesus Christ in response to the chief priests and elders of the people in Matt 21:28-32.
28 What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He came to the first and said, Son, go and work today in the vineyard.
29 And he answered, I will not; but afterward he changed his mind and went.
30 Then the man came to the second and said the same [thing]. And he replied, I will [go], sir; but he did not go.
31 Which of the two did the will of the father? They replied, The first one. Jesus said to them, Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the harlots will get into the kingdom of heaven before you.
32 For John came to you walking in the way of an upright man in right standing with God, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the harlots did believe him; and you, even when you saw that, did not afterward change your minds and believe him [adhere to, trust in, and rely on what he told you].
The Hope of Israel:
What Is It?
(1922)
By Philip Mauro
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What Is It?
(1922)
By Philip Mauro
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BradC
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Such a load of religious contrived insecure wordy jargon that is unwholesome and unstable producing a false hope based on a wrong premise once again. Do you find yourself attracted to all of this so that you can find some kind of comradery and mutual comfort in your understanding of the scriptures? I don't think that any of these men even remotely know the nature and character behind the promises of God to make the subtle accusations they do against dispensational thinking. You want to be a partaker of their rational and the conclusions they saturate their minds and hearts with, go at it full force and continue to be corrupted by it. It's your choice.
i can disprove dispensationalism using the Holy Scripture.
anyone can.
and if you bothered checking the resource, you'd see Mauro uses scripture.
more than i've seen you do.
DISPENSATIONALISM – CATEGORIZED SCRIPTURE LIST
(What the Bible Says About the People of God)
Introduction
Dispensationalism is basically the method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies: Israel and the Church. In various forms and among various groups,this idea has had a widespread influence – but is it biblical?
Following is a select list of tenets that many contemporary mainstream Dispensationalists would hold to, and a list of scripture passages that address these tenets. The list of distinctives represents a wide segment of popular Dispensationa lteachings; however, Dispensationalism is by no means a monolithic entity, and many self-professed Dispensationalists, particularly in the Progressive school, would not adhere to many of its points.
1.The Church is not the continuation of God's Old Testament people, but a distinct body born on the Day of Pentecost.
2.The Church is never equated with Israel in the New Testament, and Christians are not Jews, true Israel, etc.
3.The prophecies made to Israel in the Old Testament are not being fulfilled in the Church, nor will they ever be.
4.The Church does not participate in the New Covenant prophesied in the Old Testament; it is for ethnic Israel, and will be established in a future millennial kingdom.
5.The Old Testament saints were saved by faith alone, on the basis of the Calvary-work of Christ alone; however, the object of their faith was not Christ, but rather the revelation peculiar to their dispensation.
6.The Old Testament saints did not know of the coming “Church Age,” of the resurrection of Christ, or basically, of what we today call the gospel.
7.When Jesus came to earth, he offered the Jews a physical kingdom, but they rejected him.
8.When Jesus proclaimed “the gospel of the Kingdom,” it was the news about how ethnic Jews might enter and find rewards in this physical kingdom, and is to be distinguished from the gospel as defined in I Corinthians 15:3-4, which the apostles later proclaimed to the church.
9.After the Jews rejected Jesus' kingdom offer, he inaugurated a parenthetical “Church Age,”which will be concluded immediately before God again takes up his dealings with his national people, ethnic Israel.
10.During the “Church Age,” Jesus is not reigning from the throne of David; he is engaged instead in his priestly work, and his kingly work will take place in the future millennial kingdom.
11.At some unspecified but imminent time, Jesus will return (but not all the way to earth, just to the air) and rapture his Church, also called his Bride; for the following seven years, they will feast with him at the marriage supper of the Lamb; meanwhile, on earth, he will begin to deal with his national people, ethnic Israel, again, calling them to himself and preserving them in the midst of seven years of great tribulation; at the midpoint of which, the Antichrist will set himself up as god in the rebuilt Jewish temple, and demand worship from the world.
12.After these seven years, Christ will return, this time all the way to earth. He will defeat the forces of evil, bind Satan and cast him into a pit, and inaugurate the physical Jewish Kingdom that he had offered during his life on earth. The Jews who survived the tribulation will populate the earth during this blessed golden era, and the Christians will reign spiritually, in glorified bodies.
13.After these thousand years, Satan will be released and will gather an army from the offspring of the Jews who survived the tribulation. He will be finally defeated and cast into hell. At this time, the wicked dead will be resurrected and judged, whereas the righteous dead had already been resurrected one-thousand-seven years previously, at the rapture. Christ will then usher inthe New Heavens and New Earth, and the destinies of all mankind will be finalized.
Dispensationalists are divided as to whether or not there will remain a distinction between Christians and Jews in the New Earth.
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Scriptures
1.The People of God
A)From the beginning, God selected one people alone, from all the earth.
Deu 7:6; 10:15; 14:2; Isa 41:8-9
B)This people would belong to him forever.
1Ki 6:13; 1Ch 17:9; Isa 60:19-21
C)He would cast off, or exile this people for a time, for covenant unfaithfulness.
Deu 28:63-68; 2Ki 17:20-24; 2Ch 36:13-21; Hos 1:4-6, 9
D)However, he would then gather them together again, and restore them.
Deu 30:4-9; Isa 10:21-23; Hos 1:7, 10-11; Amo 9:11
E)When he restored them, he would also expand them, forming them anew from every people onearth.
Isa 2:1-3; 11:9-16; 19:23-25; 24:13-15; 42:4-12; 49:1-12; 51:5; 60:1-9; 66:10-24; Hos 2:23; Zec2:10-13; Mal 1:11
F)The New Testament Church is the continuation of this one people.
Act 15:12-17; Rom 9:23-26; 11:11-32
[Whether or not one sees a future for ethnic Israel in this passage is beside the point: in any case, there is only one people of God, represented by the oneolive tree. Believing Gentiles have been grafted into this one tree, and unbelieving Jews brokenoff; but when they are grafted back in, it will be the same tree into which the Gentiles were grafted, God's only people, true Israel.]; Gal 3:7-8, 13-14; Eph 2:11-22; 3:5-6
G)Hence, New Testament believers are called Jews, Abraham's seed, etc.
Rom 2:28-29; 4:11-12; 9:6-8; Gal 3:6-7, 26-29; 4:21-31; Gal 6:16
[The Greek conjunction may mean either “and” or “even”/“namely”; hence the context must determine the meaning. If it is taken in the sense of “and,” so that “the Israel of God,” is a different body from the Church,then Paul is contradicting himself and undermining the whole point he has been making throughout his letter! However, if it means “even,” then the clear assertion that those who follow the “rule” of boasting only in the cross are in fact “the Israel of God,” becomes a very fitting conclusion, and reiterates all that he has been teaching.]; Phi 3:3; Heb 12:22-24; 1Pe2:9-12
[Some have said that these Jewish terms are applied to the Church by way of analogy, not identification. However, when Peter goes on to speak of these believers (some of whom areethnic Gentiles) in contrast with the “Gentiles,” he makes it clear that he actually is intending to refer to them as “Jews,” the well-known opposite of “Gentiles”.]; Rev 2:9
2.The Fulfillment of Prophecy
A)The true heir of the Old Testament promises is not ethnic Israel, but only Christ, the one Seed of Abraham.- Gal 3:16
Thus, everyone who is in Christ, which includes all believers, is a descendant of Abrahamand an heir of the promises made to him.Gal 3:28-29
B)The true fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies is frequently indicated in the New Testament.
The prophecy of restoring Israel was fulfilled by the calling of the Gentiles to be God's people.Act 15:13-18 (quoting Amos 9:11-12); Rom 9:22-26 (quoting Hosea 1:10; 2:23)
[The verses that Paul is quoting from Hosea are clearly speaking of “the house of Israel,” and say that she will be cast off, and no longer God's people; but then restored, and God's people again. Paul is here saying that this restoration of Israel as God's people is being fulfilled by God's calling out a people “not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles”.]
The prophecy of the New Covenant, made “with the house of Israel” (see Jeremiah 31:31-34), is fulfilled in the New Testament Church.Heb 8:6-13; 10:14-18; Mat 26:26-28; Mar 14:22-24; Luk 22:19-20; 1Co 11:23-25; 2Co 3:5-6
Some other prophecies and types interpreted in the New TestamentMat 2:14-15 (quoting Hosea 11:1)
[In context, Hosea is clearly referring to Israel; hence,Matthew sees Jesus as the true Israel, and the antitype of Israel's history.]; Mat 17:10-13(referring to Malachi 4:5); Joh 2:19-22
[Not only does Jesus here equate the Old Testament temple imagery with his own body, by means of which the presence of God truly was brought down to man; but furthermore, John explains that believing this Christ-centered interpretation was in fact to believe the Old Testament scriptures themselves.]; Act 2:14-21(quoting Joel 2:28-32)
[Most Dispensationalists will say that this prophecy is referring to Jesus' second coming, as their hermeneutic demands; but Peter clearly declares that it is being fulfilled in this age.]; Act 2:25-32 (quoting Psalm 16:8-11); Acts 2:33-36 (quoting Psalm 110:1); Rom 4:13-17 (quoting Genesis 17:5)
[According to Paul, the promise that Abraham would be the father of many nations was fulfilled when he became the father of all those who believed, from all the Gentile peoples.]; Gal 4:22-31 (quoting Isaiah 54:1 and Genesis 21:10); Heb 9:1-12 (interpreting the symbolism of the tabernacle and its worship services)
etc etc
bit it is A SIN for BradC to read anything that refutes his beliefs. so he won`t read it.
DISPENSATIONALISM – CATEGORIZED SCRIPTURE LIST
by Nathan Pitchford
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It's long but certainly worth reading, but typical behaviour of yours is to adamantly reject materials that don’t fit into your dispensational theology. Terrible.
so, anyone - including you JJ...go ahead and use The Holy Scriptures to prove all those assertions above.
GOOD LUCK.
I SAID I WILL DO IT.
WILL YOU READ IT...WILL YOU ACTUALLY DO THE WORK AND SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES TO SEE IF THESE THINGS ARE SO
lemme know. i dont want to waste my time.
btw Jack...did you know you keep clicking like on posts by a guy who declares without shame and without fear.....that the New Covenant; Jesus Christ the Messiah; The eternal assembly of God`s People WAS NEVER PROMISED TO ISRAEL.
are you walking in agreement with such sad false doctrine.
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BradC
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And they are the most dangerous kind of teachers (and always have been) including you because of the premise that you operate from using the scriptures and subjective interpretations of your doctrine, including the likes of 'unclefester'. You get the premise wrong and everything that follows is wrong and out of balance, and to concede your premise would be an evil and absurd thing for you to do, for that would under-mind all that you have believed and you would shipwreck your own system of faith you have trusted in that, un-be-known to you, was filled with the leaven of hypocrisy.
The hypocritical difference for you is that you do not pretend, you really believe in your premise because no one in your eyes has been qualified or intellectual enough to refute it and that is a form of self-deceit that has persuaded your mind and heart to continue in that vein of thinking. Any scriptures used to refute your premise you intellectually contrive your respond through a line upon line of understanding that is rooted in that false premise. These guys you keep posting are saturated with this type of doctrinal premise and are very astute in their ability to rationalize any scriptures that would contradict their premise and are very crafty in utilizing other scriptures to accuse their opposition (dispensational truth) of careless hermeneutics and unreasonable conclusive thinking. There it is and it's a mouthful, and those who walk after the Spirit do not fulfill the lust of contrive intellectual discourse with those who operate according to knowledge through the mind of the flesh.
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BradC
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The only reason I am responding is because of others, other than that, I would be wasting my time with you on this. Your premise continues to infect your thinking and your conscience vigorously, not just in how you relate to truth but in how you understand what others have to say that oppose your premise. It's called 'Rut Thinking' that is caused by a self- inflicted wound through being blindsided. It is a serious condition and difficult to resolve because of the soul attachment that takes place deep in the emotions and subjective impressions of the unconscious part of the mind. These men you parade about are no exception to this condition.
I suppose that is one way to get a message to me, via another's quote.
I do not need any human's permission to interact with another person. If someone is hearing what I have to say, praise our Lord, because He is just about all I talk about, Him and what His desires for us are.
Shall I check in with anyone before dialoguing with others? Thanks. I pray for you regularly.
I do not need any human's permission to interact with another person. If someone is hearing what I have to say, praise our Lord, because He is just about all I talk about, Him and what His desires for us are.
Shall I check in with anyone before dialoguing with others? Thanks. I pray for you regularly.
just wondered why you expect others to use Holy scripture when you do not.
i don't care if you get the message or not.
you are wasting your time.
you're a false teacher and i don't care what you say.
you're in quicksand.
save thyself.