For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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UMMM But God tells them SPECIFICALLY Sunset to Sunset. God knows that the Arctic circle can not USE that specific time reference. God created it all,He certainly knows that the time would be measured in other ways. But He never said it was to measured in another way. If God meant it for ALL to follow it He would have given other ways of measuring the time. That is people adding something to the text He never said.

hmm probaly when the sun sets the moon does not appear hmmmmmm a day starts at sunset read genesis

i wonder why when a new moon appears hmm ironically is it the start of a new month or wait it is the new sun that says when the month starts hmmmm please try again

i am waiting to here how they caculte tje first day and the new year thhanks
 
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Never mind that the Bible specifically says it was given as a SIGN for the Jews of the covenant between God and them. It was never given as a sign to the gentiles.

lets go with what you are saying it was given to the Jews alone ok the people of God . Who are to keep His laws i have one question for you

Who is a jew ?
 
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UMMM UMMM But can anyone tell me since the Sabbath is on the seventh day and runs from sunset to sunset,how can the people who live above the Arctic circle observe the Sabbath since they DO NOT have a sunset for two to three months or a sunrise for two to three months? :confused::confused::confused:
The sabbath is not a literal 24 hour time period but an age of rest for all of mankind, discerned by the signs of the times. God gave Israel enough to rest from work.

That's where we are today.
 
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The sabbath is not a literal 24 hour time period but an age of rest for all of mankind, discerned by the signs of the times. God gave Israel enough to rest from work.

That's where we are today.

it say the seveth day i dont think you will apply that principle to the first day wont you
 
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hmm probaly when the sun sets the moon does not appear hmmmmmm a day starts at sunset read genesis

i wonder why when a new moon appears hmm ironically is it the start of a new month or wait it is the new sun that says when the month starts hmmmm please try again

i am waiting to here how they caculte tje first day and the new year thhanks

UMMM Again they DON"T HAVE a sunset for up to three months. And with the sun being up for that time they can't see the moon. And the movement of both the sun and moon doesn't work quite the same as it does in lower latitudes. There are times during the winter the moon DOES NOT RISE.
 
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UMMM Again they DON"T HAVE a sunset for up to three months. And with the sun being up for that time they can't see the moon. And the movement of both the sun and moon doesn't work quite the same as it does in lower latitudes. There are times during the winter the moon DOES NOT RISE.

During these times how do they caculate the other days of the week


please educate me hmmmm

note sunset to sunset is not for the seveth day alone hmmmmmm

Also it is three months that is what you say ok but pleas how do they caculate the other days during this time
 

john832

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UMMM But God tells them SPECIFICALLY Sunset to Sunset. God knows that the Arctic circle can not USE that specific time reference. God created it all,He certainly knows that the time would be measured in other ways. But He never said it was to measured in another way. If God meant it for ALL to follow it He would have given other ways of measuring the time. That is people adding something to the text He never said.
According to the English book of Common Prayer, "Easter Day is the first Sunday after the full moon which happens upon, or next after the 21st day of March; and if the full moon happens upon a Sunday, Easter Day is the Sunday after."

Why such an odd definition? March 21 is the vernal equinox -- the day on which the length of daylight equals the length of darkness as the days are lengthening in the spring. The traditional Jewish calendar is based on moon phases, which is how the phase of the moon enters into the definition -- when they were determining what day Easter would fall on, they deferred to the Jewish practice of using moon phases to decide the timing of holidays.

Using this method, Easter can only occur between March 22 and April 25.

Uh, how do you determine ishtar in that region? You have to be able to determine the vernal equinox, then you have to have a clock or watch to determine the passing of days. From ehow...

How to Locate the Vernal Equinox

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Visit an online website listing the future vernal equinox times. You can find a list at the website of the Astronomical Applications Department of the U.S. Naval Observatory. You can also look at the table on the Seasky website or at the Farmers Almanac website, all of which use data compiled from NASA and are accurate within an hour.

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Use the seasons calculator at the Time and Date website. Select the years from the drop-down menu, then choose your location from the "Location" list. Press "Show seasons" for a breakdown of the time for the vernal equinox. If you don't see your city listed, choose a city that is in the same time zone.


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Visit the Atmospheric Ocean model website of NASA to use their calculator. There are three blank spaces provided at the bottom of the page. Enter the starting year in the first blank, the ending year in the second blank and then the yearly increment in space number three. For instance, type "2011," then "2020" and then "1" if you want a breakdown of the vernal equinox every year between 2011 and 2020. Click "Submit" once you are ready.


Well, a couple of hundred years ago those methods were just not available, so ishtar couldn't be figured out either.

The real answer lies in this...

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

And many years ago, the church faced with the same question, made a decision that one would simply follow the longitude line down from the location in question and use the sunset times from there. The church has authority to make administrative decisions...

1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.


I probably should not have answered this question...

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

But I didn't want you to feel to smug...

Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

While you are asking, why not ask how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
 
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john832

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Never mind that the Bible specifically says it was given as a SIGN for the Jews of the covenant between God and them. It was never given as a sign to the gentiles.
And never mind that the New Covenant is specifically made with the house of Israel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Care to explain that one?
 

JaumeJ

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The Bible is either for the believer or it is not. The Words inspired to the Prophets are for all who believe for Jesus Christ is the Word. He speaks to all believers, and all believers are those who praise Yah; this would be all in Jesus Christ.
 
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i notice when Sunday keepers cannot answer a question they go into guest mode and just lokk on hmmm Run Forest Run from the truth hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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And never mind that the New Covenant is specifically made with the house of Israel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Care to explain that one?

you will have to wait to neverary to get that answer hmmm they have not even answer how do the same people determine the first day which i am sure they do hmmm

Sabbath is a bleessing but it seem that many do not want nor love blessings
 
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And never mind that the New Covenant is specifically made with the house of Israel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Care to explain that one?
The sabbath was given as a sign under the old covenant. It was not given as a sign under the new covenant.
 

JaumeJ

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I wonder just how many professing believers are aware that we are all under the same covenant as Abraham. All who read all of the Word would know this, if the Holy Spirit is leading them that is.
 
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I wonder just how many professing believers are aware that we are all under the same covenant as Abraham. All who read all of the Word would know this, if the Holy Spirit is leading them that is.
They want the promises of abraham but do not want to do what Abraham did

but hey they speak alot of stuff that they have been taught by men and do not want to study the bible for themselves
 

john832

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The sabbath was given as a sign under the old covenant. It was not given as a sign under the new covenant.
It was? Nope, it was actually a separate Covenant...

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

What is the term for a perpetual Covenant? How long would "in perpetuity" be?