For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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I admire your deep faith and understanding of the spiritual side of the law, but by our earthly church using that truth as a reason to deny another truth, the truth of the need to have our actions reflect law, I see our very world being damaged. Look at the divorce rate in our churches, the destruction of family in our world. People being possessed by demons has increased tremendously since 1970, even. This can only happen when people physically invite sin in their lives.
The earthly church was to lead the world. They can not do this if their faith does not lead people in that church to actually doing the law. We are not watched for our belief, we are watched to see how our belief works in how we live.
Look at Abraham. It was the faith in God's word you talk of that saved him. But if his faith hadn't led him to being able to physically act on it, God wouldn't have counted it as true faith. Abraham's action told us that he put that faith above every single thing in his life.
The earthly church was to lead the world. They can not do this if their faith does not lead people in that church to actually doing the law. We are not watched for our belief, we are watched to see how our belief works in how we live.
Look at Abraham. It was the faith in God's word you talk of that saved him. But if his faith hadn't led him to being able to physically act on it, God wouldn't have counted it as true faith. Abraham's action told us that he put that faith above every single thing in his life.
You’re fabricating an image in God’s mind about you.
You accept Jesus and then go before God and make assumptions about how He sees you. Do you do that with everyone you’ve just met or with those that you know like friends or family? Do you just assume that they see you as perfect? God the Father is not blinded by the light of His Son: He sees you exactly the way you are.
You accept Jesus and then go before God and make assumptions about how He sees you. Do you do that with everyone you’ve just met or with those that you know like friends or family? Do you just assume that they see you as perfect? God the Father is not blinded by the light of His Son: He sees you exactly the way you are.
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There is more to the Sabbath than Saturday, or whenever. There are "high days" for remembering what God has done concerning His grace, and faithfulness. Sabbath days are for the purpose of remembering and glorifying God. The feasts are important, but now only include Christ Jesus instead of Bullocks, rams, lambs, doves and goats. The first month and the seventh month correlate with each another. They are a time of self denial, study, sharing, and convocation. What days they really fall on is irrelevant. We should be doing this all the time.
I would like to state something publicly about HeRoseFromTheDead here. Although we disagree and sometimes somewhat heatedly, one cannot doubt HeRose' convictions or his belief. He does have a good understanding of scripture and I am firmly convinced he lives by what he believes. Our doctrinal disagreements aside, I do respect him very highly.
Just wanted to make sure everyone understood that.
Just wanted to make sure everyone understood that.
The Feast Days (high days) are the shadows of the 7000 year plan of God. Here is the time to roll out this overworked and undercomprehended scripture...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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This I agree with 100 over 100. The annual Sabbaths and the weekly Sabbath stand together as the Feasts of the Lord...
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
and continue through verse 44.
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
and continue through verse 44.
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So Stephen, after reading this wonderful post, I have to ask(I probably should pm this to you), how do you feel about the calendar that has mingled "the broth of abominal things" with the things of our Lord when 2 Cor.6.14-16 said not to? Oh by-the-way, the Sabbath was not an issue back in the day, because it was automatically accepted UNTIL the calendar just mentioned.
The first month containing Passover and the feast of weeks that include the feast of Unleavened bread compare exactly with the trumpets, Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles with firstfruits throughout. It's amazing! Beautiful scenario. It all relates to a Christian lifestyle as I see it. Yes, we should keep them in our hearts toward God.
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But again the Sabbath was NOT given to the Gentiles. Paul does not speak to the Gentile churches on it at all except here
Colossians 2
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you.Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
This is in agreement with what the Bible said the Sabbath was given as which is a sign between God and the nation of Israel. And again Paul being concerned about the Gentiles,why does he not say one other word about it,yet he is writing to many who are SLAVES to unbelievers who would NOT observe the Sabbath and yet Paul says not a word to them about being very careful about observing the Sabbath,even though he would know that the slaves would be required to work on a Sabbath. Why would Paul leave that out to those slaves if it was required for salvation?
Paul is very clear then when one does those things we are to do them as unto the Lord and neither side is to judge the other on whether the Sabbath is observed or not. Paul again says it is a SHADOW of the things to come and the reality is IN CHRIST.
Colossians 2
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you.Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
This is in agreement with what the Bible said the Sabbath was given as which is a sign between God and the nation of Israel. And again Paul being concerned about the Gentiles,why does he not say one other word about it,yet he is writing to many who are SLAVES to unbelievers who would NOT observe the Sabbath and yet Paul says not a word to them about being very careful about observing the Sabbath,even though he would know that the slaves would be required to work on a Sabbath. Why would Paul leave that out to those slaves if it was required for salvation?
Paul is very clear then when one does those things we are to do them as unto the Lord and neither side is to judge the other on whether the Sabbath is observed or not. Paul again says it is a SHADOW of the things to come and the reality is IN CHRIST.
Romans 2:28-29 KJV
(28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Pure idolatry: You’ve taken a portion of the old national contract, the two stone tablets inscribed on by God, then you have set that image up in your mind… let me guess: they look something like the ones Charlton Heston held up in the movie “The Ten Commandments”. And now this image has become your god with a few additions that you have cherry picked from other areas of the old national contract. You’re entombed within the old worn-out and faded earthly stone tablets which are stone-cold dead before the heavenly Living Rock.
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I think that all the posters who oppose following, literally, the law that God commanded us to follow have, by the nature of their own arguments, proven that it is not from God they can say this. Those in favor use scripture, they don't, they throw stones. I am typing some of the stones they throw:
Unable to comprehend
Self-created image
Held in bondage
Idolatry
Human reasoning
The law is not valid (where do you suppose scripture says this!)
They fully set aside God's spiritual law. (Why! would attempting to literally obey set aside the spiritual part?)
Unable to comprehend
Self-created image
Held in bondage
Idolatry
Human reasoning
The law is not valid (where do you suppose scripture says this!)
They fully set aside God's spiritual law. (Why! would attempting to literally obey set aside the spiritual part?)
People intentionally ignore or block out the difference between Gods law (which is spiritual) and a contract. The problem is telling the difference between those who block this out because (like Jehovah’s Witness) they are under a prolonged state of hypnosis resulting from years of repetitive programming and those who are agents (they’re on every discussion board) who are employed to sustain division for control purposes.
what an embarrassment.
and what charges you dare to bring against the early church, and the Lord who bought them.
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you; ellen white's fanatics; and unbelieving jews will all be saved though.
"Sunday-keeping must be the mark of the beast."
"The reception of his mark must be something that involves the greatest offense that can be committed against God."
- The Marvel of Nations, Elder U. Smith pages 170, 183
"Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible."
- Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23
"The Sunday Sabbath is purely a child of the Papacy. It is the mark of the beast."
- Advent Review, Vol. I, No. 2, August, 1850.
"The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church."
"The keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark."
- Ellen G. White, Great Controversy, Vol. 4, page 281.
"The mark of the beast is Sunday-keeping. A law will enforce this upon Seventh-day Adventists. They won't obey. Then they will be outlawed, persecuted, and condemned to death! Of all the wild Advent speculations in the prophecies, this deserves to stand among the wildest."
- Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914
"Sunday-keeping is an institution of the first beast, and ALL who submit to obey this institution emphatically worship the first beast and receive his mark, 'the mark of the beast.' .... Those who worship the beast and his image by observing the first day are certainly idolaters, as were the worshippers of the golden calf."
- Advent Review Extra, pages 10 and 11, August, 1850
and what charges you dare to bring against the early church, and the Lord who bought them.
....
you; ellen white's fanatics; and unbelieving jews will all be saved though.
"Sunday-keeping must be the mark of the beast."
"The reception of his mark must be something that involves the greatest offense that can be committed against God."
- The Marvel of Nations, Elder U. Smith pages 170, 183
"Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible."
- Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23
"The Sunday Sabbath is purely a child of the Papacy. It is the mark of the beast."
- Advent Review, Vol. I, No. 2, August, 1850.
"The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church."
"The keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark."
- Ellen G. White, Great Controversy, Vol. 4, page 281.
"The mark of the beast is Sunday-keeping. A law will enforce this upon Seventh-day Adventists. They won't obey. Then they will be outlawed, persecuted, and condemned to death! Of all the wild Advent speculations in the prophecies, this deserves to stand among the wildest."
- Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D.M. Canright, 1914
"Sunday-keeping is an institution of the first beast, and ALL who submit to obey this institution emphatically worship the first beast and receive his mark, 'the mark of the beast.' .... Those who worship the beast and his image by observing the first day are certainly idolaters, as were the worshippers of the golden calf."
- Advent Review Extra, pages 10 and 11, August, 1850