For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Redtent, do you understand the difference between the royal priesthood (Jesus Christ, David, Melchizedek) and the Levitical priesthood?
To understand this is so important, isn't it? But I don't understand why you include David and Melchizedek in your question. It seems to me that a study of the Levitical priesthood enhances our study of Christ, our priest. God gave the world the Levitical priesthood as a stand in for Christ, and as we learn how God used this stand in we can better understand the real priest when He came. The bible does not, that I recall, call the priesthood of Christ the royal priesthood. Why do you use that term? Christ simply is our priest.
 

zone

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I am not Adventist and Sunday worship is the mark or seal of the beast

While sabbath is the mark or seal of God
you continue to post from Church of God 7th Day and other Adventist sources.
your doctrine is Adventist.
period.
 

zone

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I am well aware that your heart is too hard to be reached, many have tried so to all who are reading your false accusations against me: A teacher of the law says that the law is superior to God for salvation. I would never teach such a falsehood. A teacher of Christ, Grace, and Faith teaches that true faith includes having faith enough to follow what they know of God into actions. I believe God teaches that and say so.

It is my personal conviction, also, that actions that stem from love of the Lord can enhance our walk with the Lord.
""Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?""

please provide the source i can look into, or explain in your own words.
i not only will read it, i'm waiting to.
 
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""Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?""

please provide the source i can look into, or explain in your own words.
i not only will read it, i'm waiting to.
I would love to discuss with you, are you serious?
 
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you continue to post from Church of God 7th Day and other Adventist sources.
your doctrine is Adventist.
period.

dont you post from other sources also or are those source your church you attend huhhh
how are you sure that is his church and he agrees with every thing

The sourcr=es you use do you agree with every single thing ?

from my observation Isdaniel doesnot believe that the scape goat is the devil
SDA says it is the devil

are all Church of God from SDA ?
 
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Redtent, do you understand the difference between the royal priesthood (Jesus Christ, David, Melchizedek) and the Levitical priesthood?
To understand this is so important, isn't it? But I don't understand why you include David and Melchizedek in your question. It seems to me that a study of the Levitical priesthood enhances our study of Christ, our priest.
You advocated following the Levitical priesthood, not just studying it.

God gave the world the Levitical priesthood as a stand in for Christ, and as we learn how God used this stand in we can better understand the real priest when He came.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

You don't understand the connection between the kings? You claimed that you've actually read the Epistle to the Hebrews.

A Christian is a person who grows in Christ as is explained in the book of Hebrews.
Let me the first to call you a liar.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; .. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The bible does not, that I recall, call the priesthood of Christ the royal priesthood. Why do you use that term? Christ simply is our priest.
:confused: Redtent, have you EVER read the New Testament?

1 Peter 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
 
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​Except our righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees we wont enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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I have not told my siblings. (all Sunday church goers) I pray God gives me words to say when the time comes. Thank you sister for your encouragement and kind words.:) Many good people go to church on Sunday, I have no fight with them. I trust the Savior to show them as I was shown. More than ever I need to live like Christ.
Sorry it's brother. Wait until you tell and you'd be treated like you are treated here. And many will show their true colors like some here.
Be courageous.
 
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CULT:


Adventists teach that the mark of the beast written about in Revelation is worshiping on Sunday. They believe that seventh-day Sabbath-keeping will identify God’s true church, and “Sunday worship” will be the mark of all those who will be lost. They believe that all those who worship on Sunday are following “the pope” and are participating in false religion. (see Ellen White quotes.)

“Remnant church” status separates them from the Body of Christ. Adventism teaches that it is the only true remnant church of Bible prophecy. Reflected in their Fundamental Belief No. 13, “remnant theology” really teaches that all churches that worship on Sunday are a part of the “widespread apostasy,” “Babylon”, or the “daughters of Babylon”. So even though Adventists acknowledge that God has His children in all churches, they add, “but through the remnant church He proclaims a message that is to restore His true worship by calling His people out of the apostasy and preparing them for Christ’s return."

SeventhDayCult.com

1st Century Jerusalem was the Great Harlot Babylon.
i'm afraid if she is being "revived", it is your cult which is her daughter.



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A Call to all Monotheistic Religions to Recognize and Honor Their Spiritual Mother - Judaism

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The relationship between Judaism and Christianity and Islam can be likened to the relationship between a mother and her two children, a son (Christianity) and a daughter (Islam).

To properly "honor" its mother (Judaism), Christianity needs to acknowledge that all Jews are the "sons of God."
Why are you studying cults instead of scripture? Then compare what someone says to the cults that you are so fond of instead of comparing them to scripture.
 
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[=Praus;1313387]You advocated following the Levitical priesthood, not just studying it.
] You are on a Christian Chat room, yet you use this room to lie about another poster.
 
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Exactly the same thing can be said and I referred to that under a discussion about “grace”. I mentioned that the same dark forces that control the political system control the Christian religious system and they employ the same tactics of polarization.



I’m not sure why it’s so hard for some to understand the difference between God’s law and the contract that God’s law is expressed through. When you say:

“What law was referred to by the psalmist?”

Well God’s law of course.

But what contract was God’s law expressed through at the time of the psalmist?

The old national contract (the old covenant)

Now if you say:

“What law was referred to by John when he said, “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments?"

Well God’s law of course.

But what contract was God’s law expressed through at the time John said this.

The new national contract (the new covenant)

Now God’s law is a spiritual law and it never changes… and it’s eternal. But the contracts that the law is expressed through can be different. Now since God’s spiritual law is eternal, meaning, it existed before the creation of space, time and matter… that means it existed before there were any sunrises or sunsets, new moons or full moons. That means God’s spiritual law existed for an eternity before the creation of any Sabbath or feast.

Now at one time God’s spiritual law was expressed through a physical contract which has physically written down ordinances to observe the times (Sabbaths) and seasons (feasts) all within the physical creation. But since Jesus Christ... God’s spiritual law is more appropriately expressed through a spiritual contract that does not contain physically written down ordinances to observe the times (Sabbaths) and seasons (feasts). It is obeyed more fully in the spirit where God’s spiritual law eternally resides in heaven outside of the physical creation. As I said those under the old physical contract have entombed themselves within the physical creation which has been slated for destruction.
again spiritual person don't need physical rest? I'm afraid we are going in circles.
 
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The bible uses earth and earthly, also, to tell us of our fleshly self that is opposed to the spiritual. That is a different aspect of earth. We are to keep our minds on the majesty and beauty of earth, not the darkness that is also part of earth.
So how do you get the earth is in God's image out of that?
 

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you don't need to.
all you need to do is provide a link to your source of wisdom on this:

"Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?"

i would like to look into it.
thanks for following through with your claims.
Try this link....KING JAMES BIBLE ONLINE - OFFICIAL KING JAMES VERSION (KJV) OF THE BIBLE
Or this one....King James Version of the Bible - Online Search
Or maybe this one...King James Version (KJV Bible) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com
Or maybe this one...King James Bible Version Online – KJV Bible Study Tools

My personal favorite is...e-Sword | Home

The following links are to my favorite Hebrew Roots teachers of 119 Ministries. I present to you all the teachings on Galatians.


https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...istries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Should_We_Live_as_the_Circumcision_Party_Jews_or_t he_Gentiles.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Did_Paul_Teach_Against_Circumcision.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_Gods_Law_a_Curse_or_Did_We_Curse_Ourselves.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Was_Gods_Law_a_Schoolmaster_that_Has_Been_Abolishe d_at_the_Cross.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Do_We_Place_Our_Trust_in_God_or_in_Man.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_the_Law_of_God_Actually_Weak_and_Beggarly_Eleme nts.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_the_Law_of_God_Bondage_or_Freedom.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Does_the_Spirit_Actually_Lead_Us_to_Not_Be_Under_t he_Law_of_God.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_Observing_Gods_Law_Falling_From_Grace.pdf

I know you don't care for Hebrew Roots, but just for added reading, here are the same articles posted on Passion for Truth Ministries:


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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 2:14 – Should We Live as the Circumcision Party, Jews, or the Gentiles?
by Jon Sherman
Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? Galatians 2:14 is often cited to suggest that Paul is teaching that believers should live like the Gentiles and not as Jews. This is done to support a faulty theological doctrine that creates a divide in the purpose, delivery, and design of God’s law. In such a scenario, the Jews obviously represent the Law of God, ... read more

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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 2:3-5 – Did Paul Teach Against Circumcision?
by Jon Sherman
Does Paul teach against circumcision and thus teach against God’s law? Galatians 2:3-5 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. The issue of circumcision is perhaps the most complicated subject to study in the new testament. This is not really b ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 3:10-13 – Is God’s Law a Curse or Did We Curse Ourselves?
by Jon Sherman
There are many who read Galatians 3:10-13 and conclude that God’s law is a curse and anyone that follows God’s law is under that curse. But is that really what Paul is stating? According to scripture, how is a curse related to God’s law and what places us under it? Why are we cursed? Are we cursed for following God’s law, or not following God’s law (sin)? If our Savior takes away the curse of the law does He take away the whole law (blessings too) or just the curse of God’s law? To understand Paul correctly we need to be able to answer these qu ... read more

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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 3:23-25 – Was God’s Law a Schoolmaster that Has Been Abolished at the Cross?
by Jon Sherman
Is it the "law of sin and death" that we are under before faith, or the "law of God?" Which law brings us to our Savior as the schoolmaster, the "law of sin" or simply the "law of God?" Have you ever asked that question or just always assumed it was the "law of God" in Galatians 3:23-25 because that is what you were told? How can we use the verses surrounding these verses (context) to help answer those questions? We will examine all of this in detail. First a brief overview of Galatians is required. Galatians is perhaps the single letter of Paul that is the cause of the most confusion surroun ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 4:21-23 – Do We Place Our Trust in God or in Man?
by Brad Scott
I am often told that this allegory definitively shows that God’s law is bondage, and is not only to be set aside, but is to be cast out, and those that desire to obey the law of God are the children of Hagar. But is that the background of what Paul is teaching? The first four and a half chapters of this book have been teaching us that redemption and sonship are not acquired by obedience to God’s law, or any law, for that matter. We have already established that many times over. The focus on inheritance, the seed, and relationship precedes the allegory of Hagar and Sa ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 5:1 – Is the Law of God “Bondage” or "Freedom?"
by Jon Sherman
When taken at face value, this question appears rather odd. How could anything of God be bondage? Would God have given us "bondage" and then stated that if we obey it we are blessed, and if we disobey it, we fall under the curse (second death)(Deut. 11:26-29)? Do we find any verse in all of Scripture that says the Law of God is bondage? No we do not. In fact, we find the opposite. Ps 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. Ps 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts. Ps 119:47 And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved. Ja 1: ... read more

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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 5:18 - Does the “Spirit of God” Actually Lead Us Away from the “Law of God?”
by Jon Sherman
What is the Spirit's relationship to the "law of God?" Is the Spirit of God against the "law of God" or actually "another law?" When Paul uses the term "under the law" which law is he referring to? Does it matter? Can't we just assume he is referring to the "law of God?" What about context? What does the "works of the flesh" (context-verse 19) have to do with the "law" Paul is referring to in verse 18? Is the "works of the flesh" related to the Spirit of God or the law Paul is referring to? What does Paul mean that the Spirit is contrary or against the flesh (context - verse 17)? What does the ... read more

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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 5:4 – Is Observing God’s Law Falling From Grace?
by Jon Sherman
Is following the Law of God opposing to grace? What did Paul mean when he accused the Galatians of falling from grace? What did they do? How does our Savior become of no effect? Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Since Galatians is a letter , not a single verse written with a specific context, we should determine and that for our understanding. Galatians were being falsely taught to keep God’s Law for salvation. False teachers (“Circumcision Party” - Ga 2:7-12; 5:12 and “Works of Law&rd ... read more[/TD]
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The Restored Church of God

http://straitwaytruth.com/

New2Torah – Torah Observant Followers of Jesus/Yeshua – Hebrew Roots

Lion and Lamb Ministries

http://martusministries.com/

Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.


 

zone

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I would love to discuss with you, are you serious?
""Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?""

absolutely.
this is the subject i am interested in.
please cite all your source, Biblical and otherwise.

shutting down now, looking forward to it.
perhaps a new thread redtent.
goodnight.
 

zone

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No Zonie is not serious but want to impart her believe and it will not be a discussion beut a teaching you falsehood
well you presumably know your Bible; have good discernment; and will know falsehood when you hear it.
don't you worry yourself.
i'm interested in Redtents position on this.
is that alright with you?
goodnight dear.
 

zone

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Jun 13, 2010
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Try this link....KING JAMES BIBLE ONLINE - OFFICIAL KING JAMES VERSION (KJV) OF THE BIBLE
Or this one....King James Version of the Bible - Online Search
Or maybe this one...King James Version (KJV Bible) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com
Or maybe this one...King James Bible Version Online – KJV Bible Study Tools

My personal favorite is...e-Sword | Home

The following links are to my favorite Hebrew Roots teachers of 119 Ministries. I present to you all the teachings on Galatians.


https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...istries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Should_We_Live_as_the_Circumcision_Party_Jews_or_t he_Gentiles.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Did_Paul_Teach_Against_Circumcision.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_Gods_Law_a_Curse_or_Did_We_Curse_Ourselves.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Was_Gods_Law_a_Schoolmaster_that_Has_Been_Abolishe d_at_the_Cross.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Do_We_Place_Our_Trust_in_God_or_in_Man.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_the_Law_of_God_Actually_Weak_and_Beggarly_Eleme nts.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_the_Law_of_God_Bondage_or_Freedom.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Does_the_Spirit_Actually_Lead_Us_to_Not_Be_Under_t he_Law_of_God.pdf

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...nistries/00f06fd7-4de2-4d8d-922d-ccd4a82bb1a9/Is_Observing_Gods_Law_Falling_From_Grace.pdf

I know you don't care for Hebrew Roots, but just for added reading, here are the same articles posted on Passion for Truth Ministries:


[TABLE="class: subPageContent"]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 2:14 – Should We Live as the Circumcision Party, Jews, or the Gentiles?
by Jon Sherman
Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? Galatians 2:14 is often cited to suggest that Paul is teaching that believers should live like the Gentiles and not as Jews. This is done to support a faulty theological doctrine that creates a divide in the purpose, delivery, and design of God’s law. In such a scenario, the Jews obviously represent the Law of God, ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 2:3-5 – Did Paul Teach Against Circumcision?
by Jon Sherman
Does Paul teach against circumcision and thus teach against God’s law? Galatians 2:3-5 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. The issue of circumcision is perhaps the most complicated subject to study in the new testament. This is not really b ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 3:10-13 – Is God’s Law a Curse or Did We Curse Ourselves?
by Jon Sherman
There are many who read Galatians 3:10-13 and conclude that God’s law is a curse and anyone that follows God’s law is under that curse. But is that really what Paul is stating? According to scripture, how is a curse related to God’s law and what places us under it? Why are we cursed? Are we cursed for following God’s law, or not following God’s law (sin)? If our Savior takes away the curse of the law does He take away the whole law (blessings too) or just the curse of God’s law? To understand Paul correctly we need to be able to answer these qu ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 3:23-25 – Was God’s Law a Schoolmaster that Has Been Abolished at the Cross?
by Jon Sherman
Is it the "law of sin and death" that we are under before faith, or the "law of God?" Which law brings us to our Savior as the schoolmaster, the "law of sin" or simply the "law of God?" Have you ever asked that question or just always assumed it was the "law of God" in Galatians 3:23-25 because that is what you were told? How can we use the verses surrounding these verses (context) to help answer those questions? We will examine all of this in detail. First a brief overview of Galatians is required. Galatians is perhaps the single letter of Paul that is the cause of the most confusion surroun ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 4:21-23 – Do We Place Our Trust in God or in Man?
by Brad Scott
I am often told that this allegory definitively shows that God’s law is bondage, and is not only to be set aside, but is to be cast out, and those that desire to obey the law of God are the children of Hagar. But is that the background of what Paul is teaching? The first four and a half chapters of this book have been teaching us that redemption and sonship are not acquired by obedience to God’s law, or any law, for that matter. We have already established that many times over. The focus on inheritance, the seed, and relationship precedes the allegory of Hagar and Sa ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 5:1 – Is the Law of God “Bondage” or "Freedom?"
by Jon Sherman
When taken at face value, this question appears rather odd. How could anything of God be bondage? Would God have given us "bondage" and then stated that if we obey it we are blessed, and if we disobey it, we fall under the curse (second death)(Deut. 11:26-29)? Do we find any verse in all of Scripture that says the Law of God is bondage? No we do not. In fact, we find the opposite. Ps 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. Ps 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts. Ps 119:47 And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved. Ja 1: ... read more

[HR][/HR][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"] Galatians 5:18 - Does the “Spirit of God” Actually Lead Us Away from the “Law of God?”
by Jon Sherman
What is the Spirit's relationship to the "law of God?" Is the Spirit of God against the "law of God" or actually "another law?" When Paul uses the term "under the law" which law is he referring to? Does it matter? Can't we just assume he is referring to the "law of God?" What about context? What does the "works of the flesh" (context-verse 19) have to do with the "law" Paul is referring to in verse 18? Is the "works of the flesh" related to the Spirit of God or the law Paul is referring to? What does Paul mean that the Spirit is contrary or against the flesh (context - verse 17)? What does the ... read more

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[TD="align: left"] Galatians 5:4 – Is Observing God’s Law Falling From Grace?
by Jon Sherman
Is following the Law of God opposing to grace? What did Paul mean when he accused the Galatians of falling from grace? What did they do? How does our Savior become of no effect? Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Since Galatians is a letter , not a single verse written with a specific context, we should determine and that for our understanding. Galatians were being falsely taught to keep God’s Law for salvation. False teachers (“Circumcision Party” - Ga 2:7-12; 5:12 and “Works of Law&rd ... read more[/TD]
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Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.


i'll look all that over tomorrow.
(seen it all already, so it won't take long).
goodnight dear.

it's Redtent's teaching i am interested in.
 
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""Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?""

absolutely.
this is the subject i am interested in.
please cite all your source, Biblical and otherwise.

shutting down now, looking forward to it.
perhaps a new thread redtent.
goodnight.
The only sources I study or am interested in is bible and history of the people the bible uses to give the principles of God. From my experience with you, your purpose has always been to accuse and fight, It is difficult to trust you. My source is a person who has studied history seriously, and from his study what he has found is in opposition to what you believe strongly in. If something you believe is not in tandem with what the Lord says, having you tear apart, word for word, what this man found would not help the kingdom of God with us.

If I thought you were serious in your study of Galatians in order to understand what God wants of us, I would be so very happy to give the study this man has done. I think he has unearthed truth, I would not want to put truth out where it could be ripped apart by someone not interested in truth.
 
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[h=3]Isaiah 24[/h]King James Version (KJV)

24 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.
4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.