Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

[zone]

Yes, to be ambassadors of Christ with the gospel of the grace of God, to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,. Our ministry is called the ministry of reconciliation. Eph 3:9, 2 Cor 5:17-21

Dispensationalist Koolaid

 

[Ariel82]

Yes, to be ambassadors of Christ with the gospel of the grace of God, to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,. Our ministry is called the ministry of reconciliation. Eph 3:9, 2 Cor 5:17-21

"fellowship of the mystery" sounds of New agish and may rub people the wrong way. could you clarify your meaning by that phrase?

...going to look at the scriptures posted:

[h=3]Ephesians 3:9[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]and to make all see what is the fellowship[SUP][a][/SUP] of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;[SUP][b][/SUP]


[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:17-21[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, [SUP]19 [/SUP]that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

okay still trying to figure out your stance on your title topic.......

 

[LovePink]

// Jesus was not bound thy the "qualifications" set forth in Acts chapter 1. //


He most certainly is, to fulfill Scripture.


//Since the Church belongs to him he can appoint whom he chooses.//

No, God does not just simply do as He wishes, that is why He is called Holy, that is why He is a righteous & just judge.


//You also seem to believe that since he initially appointed 12 that that is somehow a restrictive number. //

Not restrictive, but distinctive, purposeful, to be appreciated.


//You still have not answered Acts 9:15.//


I believe I did. Maybe even more so in older posts.

Thank you, I am going to check back later.

 

[Ariel82]

Dispensationalist Koolaid

Not seeing it in this thread Zone or any of the others she has posted in.

She is kind of vague and I doubt she knows what dispenstionalism means.

of course I could be mistaken.

I'm still waiting to see why she thinks Paul is disqualified to be an apostle and if she really knows WHY Jesus had apostles in the first place.

 

[zone]

Not seeing it in this thread Zone or any of the others she has posted in.

She is kind of vague and I doubt she knows what dispenstionalism means.

of course I could be mistaken.

I'm still waiting to see why she thinks Paul is disqualified to be an apostle and if she really knows WHY Jesus had apostles in the first place.

well if it isn't a total repudiation of him as an apostle (meaning he's a false prophet, if not the false prophet)

it's the quirky idea that:
paul is a different kinda called guy.
called for a different purpose.
the mystery church.
different message.

it's vague because it's a mystery.
(not)

 

[Lecrae]

Let's keep it at this: no human is qualified in and of themselves. Christ is what makes us qualified.

[/endthread]

 

[oldhermit]

Originally Posted by oldhermit // Jesus was not bound thy the "qualifications" set forth in Acts chapter 1. //


He most certainly is, to fulfill Scripture.


//Since the Church belongs to him he can appoint whom he chooses.//

No, God does not just simply do as He wishes, that is why He is called Holy, that is why He is a righteous & just judge.


//You also seem to believe that since he initially appointed 12 that that is somehow a restrictive number. //

Not restrictive, but distinctive, purposeful, to be appreciated.


//You still have not answered Acts 9:15.//


I believe I did. Maybe even more so in older posts.
Thank you, I am going to check back later.

So, the root of the problem is that you see nothing wrong with challenging Jesus' decision to appoint Paul as an apostle. By what standard do feel comfortable in holding Jesus accountable to your understanding of scripture? Since he is God, what ever he does is just and right and he is not answerable to man's assessment of his actions.

 

[iamsoandso]

Yes! That´s the only side where Paul is backed up by an Apostle.

Thanks for mentioning!

in acts (15;23-30) in addition to peters endorsement in 1peter is a "mini letter" it,it seems is quoted completely by Luke and was written by the apostles and elders from Jerusalem.,,there are also 2 prophets(acts 15;32) sent with them to verify this in person(Silas and Judas),,,in (Galatians 2;7-9) Paul is referring to the letter he was given by the apostles and elders in (acts 15;23-30) although Paul is pointing out he had received the Gospel to preach before this from god in (gal.1;12) ,,,you may have already known this but i thought it good to mention that his apostleship was discussed in several places,,,,

 

[Dwark]

So, the root of the problem is that you see nothing wrong with challenging Jesus' decision to appoint Paul as an apostle. By what standard do feel comfortable in holding Jesus accountable to your understanding of scripture? Since he is God, what ever he does is just and right and he is not answerable to man's assessment of his actions.

Your previous post does not have Jesus calling him an apostle. You have overstepped what is written.

 

[psychomom]

Okay, I cannot keep up w/the posts, so sue me, eat popcorn, put on a tinfoil hat and call it.

I really wonder who is truly reading my words in my posts, because some of your questions are giving me the impression this is not happening.

I assure you I have read what you've written more than once.

Perhaps you truly are a poor communicator in written form, as many people (myself included ) are.

But at this point, I would have to say you seem, at the least, disingenuous.

It would be really helpful to me if you would clearly as possible state your beliefs about Paul's apostolic ministry,
whether you believe it to be of the Lord or not.

Because to deny it seems like you would also be denying the Truth spoken by the Holy Spirit through Paul.

 

[iamsoandso]

No, Hollywood doesn't know any truth

all their stuff is fiction

Hollywood?,,,if they didn't know for sure he was the son of god how could they wage such a war against him?,,,

 

[4enlightment]

This is a truth plainly set forth in Scripture by a few verses. What were the requirements for an apostle of Jesus' earthly ministry (Rm 15:8), according to Scripture, Christ and the Holy Spirit?

So, we should see & understand, God in keeping with His character (Holy, just, righteous & perfect in all His ways), did what when He raised up, converted and separated Saul unto Himself? (Rm 1:1, Gal 1:15)

I want to include a verse, part of the apostle Paul's commission statement, if you will, for consideration in the fact, if something is different- it is not the same.

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

Let the words on the page say what they mean. This shows distiction, right division, for a purpose God is revealing about a change in His dealings with man in time. Read in a King James Version of the bible, pls, so we are sharing in the same words, Eph 2:11-13.

Let me offer one more verse of distinction, for our conversation, study, profit & learning;

"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;" Gal 2:7

That old saying, "That you got to learn to crawl, before you walk". Peter or Thomas, and the rest of them, has started off poorly. But after when Jesus has left them to go to the Father, they has grown spiritually. Paul didn't became a martyr (Taste death) like the rest had became, because God didn't have to go the extra mile with Paul, because Paul has shown his devotion to God by separating himself from his position and becoming humble.

Matthew 9:15Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.

Matthew 16:28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

 

[zone]

Your previous post does not have Jesus calling him an apostle. You have overstepped what is written.

 

[zone]

Thank you, I am going to check back later.

LovePink.
if you got a mixed up idea from somewhere it's okay to say so.
where did you get the idea? from a website or group?

 

[zone]

if Paul was not qualified...he slipped in there somehow.
then...he deceived Luke, who recorded Acts.
so that means Luke (The Gospel) is unreliable.
uh......oh. maybe the Bib.......

 

[oldhermit]

Your previous post does not have Jesus calling him an apostle. You have overstepped what is written.

"Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother" 1 Cor. 1:1
"Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God," Rom 1:1
"For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth." 1 Tim. 2:7.
“And He said to me, ‘Go! For I will send (ἐξαποστελῶ - will apostle) you far away to the Gentiles.” Acts 22:21.

If this is not enough, there are several other conformational passages.

 

[iamsoandso]

also the word "apostle",,probably needs it's own thread,that is in Hebrews 3;1,,,Jesus himself is called an apostle,,it is from the same word 0652,,,,

 

[BananaPie]

Exactly. ...and I'm with 2nd-graders during the week.

 

[4enlightment]

also the word "apostle",,probably needs it's own thread,that is in Hebrews 3;1,,,Jesus himself is called an apostle,,it is from the same word 0652,,,,

Apostle:

Mark 16:15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

Luke 20:21So the spies questioned him: “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach what is right, and that you do not show partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth.

John 18:37“You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

The one that is distorting the Gospel.

John 8:44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

[Dwark]

All of those verses, but acts, are from Paul. We already know Paul calls himself and others who were not named by Christ as apostles.