Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

[p_rehbein]

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HEY.............IT........COME HERE!

Seriously, your comments have been very difficult to make sense of...........now that may just be me, but given the number of posters who have said the same thing.............well...........it may not be just me.

Here's a thought...........why don't you take the time to review JUST YOUR comments here, starting with the OP, and rewrite them to present a definitive picture of what you are trying to say? Who knows? Folks may come from all over to agree with you and "LIKE" your post...........

 

[buckets]

I was in agreement with the post above and not to you directly. What am I supposed to get over?

Don't get over it. You said Paul was an apostle.
He was directed to do his works by Christ!
We don't want to get over Christ!

 

[overcomer2]

Peter even puts the choice in the context of the fulfillment of prophesy. 20“For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘LET HIS HOMESTEAD BE MADE DESOLATE, AND LET NO ONE DWELL IN IT’ and, ‘LET ANOTHER MAN TAKE HIS OFFICE.’ 21“Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us— 22beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us—one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”

This is an inspired selection "and he was added to the eleven apostles."
You seem to think that there can only be 12 apostles.

Yes, thats true I believe there were only 12. It is the only position given a number. Prophets, teachers, and pastors etc there is no number. Do You believe there to be more?

 

[oldhermit]

Yes, thats true I believe there were only 12. It is the only position given a number. Prophets, teachers, and pastors etc there is no number. Do You believe there to be more?

Luke, by inspiration says Matthias was numbered with the eleven and this decision is never challenged in scripture, only by those who stand outside of scripture. We also know that Paul was appointed as an apostle by divine decree. We also know that Jesus is called an apostle.

 

[Dwark]

I have not been following this thread all to close so this may have been discuss. But the position of apostle is appointed by the Lord it is not a position appointed by men. It is not lets vote and see who we like position.

This is true.

When they voted for the 12th apostle the Lord stepped in and chose Paul….

This is not true.

 

[Dwark]

Sigh. I'm not an apostle.

I know.
You changed your avatar, had a hard getting back to this. I liked the blue eyes. Reminded me of the Dune trilogy.

Calling a high priest in the church of satan an apostle in the manner of Paul?

Wow, some assumption you make with that big qualifier.

If we are going to define apostle as anyone, then anyone is an apostle. All of these rules that people make up are simply arbitrary rules made by men and any rule by any man has just as much weight.

Jesus was a Jew, a Rabbi, who in that tradition selected a special 12 from his group of disciples to be given a specific task as was the Jewish tradition of that time. They were sent out. Jesus is the only one gets to choose who those apostles are.

The spirit whispering into your ear is pretty cheeky.

That explains the voices in my head.

 

[Dwark]

So Paul was not qualified to be an apostle...

wow, somebody should have mentioned that to God.

: )

Where did God say that Paul was an apostle?

 

[oldhermit]

Where did God say that Paul was an apostle?

"Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother" 1 Cor. 1:1
"Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God," Rom 1:1
"For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth." 1 Tim. 2:7.
“And He said to me, ‘Go! For I will send (ἐξαποστελῶ - will apostle) you far away to the Gentiles.” Acts 22:21.

If this is not enough, there are several other conformational passages.

 

[Dwark]

I agree that Paul was clearly an apostle or we are in trouble for accepting his epistles as scripture.

LOL, that is too funny. I can't even explain why, you are too far away from it.

An apostle is called by God. They seem to be associated with signs and wonders. They are eyewitnesses of Christ….

Where did God give this definition of apostle?

 

[HeIsNowHere]

You sir are not qualified to make this statement. Therefore, no one should believe you.

 

[Dwark]

"Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother" 1 Cor. 1:1
"Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God," Rom 1:1
"For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth." 1 Tim. 2:7.
“And He said to me, ‘Go! For I will send (ἐξαποστελῶ - will apostle) you far away to the Gentiles.” Acts 22:21.

If this is not enough, there are several other conformational passages.

The first 3 are Paul calling Paul an apostle, the fourth is an unknown writer, probably Luke, calling Paul an apostle (kinda, maybe, sort of), but none of these are God calling Paul an apostle.

Try again.

 

[RuthHannah]

[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:11-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.

 

[oldhermit]

The first 3 are Paul calling Paul an apostle, the fourth is an unknown writer, probably Luke, calling Paul an apostle (kinda, maybe, sort of), but none of these are God calling Paul an apostle.

Try again.

Luke is the author of Acts. In Acts 22:21, Paul is quoting the words of the Lord. Paul's letters are inspired scripture which gives divine authority to his claims. Your problem is not with me, it is with the testimony of scripture.

 

[Dwark]

John 14:26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Revelation 22:6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

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John 14:26 applies to the disciples to whom Christ was directly addressing. It does not say that whatever they write down will be free from their own human error or opinion or misinterpretation.

Rev 22:6 (interesting interpretation you are using) applies to the beloved one whom was receiving this vision.

So, are you saying that whatever is written in the bible is directly from God then?

 

[oldhermit]

So, are you saying that whatever is written in the bible is directly from God then?]

I cannot speak for 4enlightment but, this is precisely what I have been trying to get you to understand.

 

[Dwark]

Luke is the author of Acts.

Probably. But claiming you know something is true when you cannot know it is true, is not a truth.

In Acts 22:21, Paul is quoting the words of the Lord.

Paul is saying that he is quoting the Lord.

Paul also says the Lord told him that women are to remain silent in church.

1 Cor 14: 34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[g]36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.

He does not say, as you said in a post to another that it only applies to the church in Cornith. "Women are to remain silent in the churches."


Paul says lots of things, and if you cherry pick them he also says the exact opposite.

What Paul does not say in Acts 22:21 is that God titled him the 13th apostle.

Paul's letters are inspired scripture which gives divine authority to his claims.

I wish you would just tell me what you mean by that exactly. Are you saying that whatever Paul wrote comes from God, or can his writing contain his own human understanding that includes human error, prejudices, and opinions that are not from God? Please answer directly.

Your problem is not with me, it is with the testimony of scripture.

See how you word your argument that pits me, a mere person, against the holy sacred testimony of scripture. LOL.

My problem is heretical ways people use scripture as a club to beat people over the head to believe heretical doctrines that they don't obey in practice.

I am trying to reply to your post from this morning.

 

[cfultz3]

Where did God say that Paul was an apostle?

Only nine verses say that he was.....

 

[cfultz3]

The first 3 are Paul calling Paul an apostle, the fourth is an unknown writer, probably Luke, calling Paul an apostle (kinda, maybe, sort of), but none of these are God calling Paul an apostle.

Try again.

Is Scripture Holy Spirit inspired?

 

[cfultz3]

So, are you saying that whatever is written in the bible is directly from God then?

If doubt is placed on Scripture, then when does that doubt stop? Either you believe God is able to transmit His message to us undefiled or.....

 

[cfultz3]

Dwark,

So I guess Paul was a liar and therefore his words are uninspired and should be ignored?

...honestly...bah