Hi John
I have a question for you. Do you believe in a triune man and woman? Spirit, soul, and body?
Nope. I believe what I read in the Bible. First of all man was created as a nephesh...
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The word here for soul is...
H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
Lets see what else is a soul...
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath
life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
"life" here is H5315, nephesh and it refers to creatures in the water, clams, crabs, anemones and sea worms are nephesh.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living
creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
creature here is H5315, nephesh, a soul.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living
creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
creature here is nephesh and includes lizards, skunks and centipedes.
You can continue with this, just search for H5315 and see all the different creatures that are souls and ask yourself, do you think they are immortal, have eternal life?
I agree that the soul is not immortal. But, with the cross of Jesus Christ, and the resurrection, could it be that all mankind now have an eternal spirit? I am not teaching it...just questioning it.
Well let's answer it. First of all what happens to a soul that has not received eternal life?
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now the real question is when do we receive eternal life (we are not addressing the conditions for receiving eternal life, that is a different thread)?
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
We are sealed with the earnest of the Spirit upon repentance and baptism
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
But the Holy Spirit is not eternal life right now it is the earnest (down payment)
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
We have the down payment on eternal life now and if we remain faithful to the end we receive eternal life at the resurrection...
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
So when do we become immortal, receive life? At the resurrection, until then we only have the down payment, the earnest of the Spirit.
So, if one does not receive salvation of the soul....which is what scripture states, the spirit being eternal has to have a destiny. If saved, heaven. Not, hell.
No, the human being the soul receives death...
Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Not life in some other place. It is called the second death, not life in torment.
Just something I've been considering. Of course I could be wrong. The spirit may of always been eternal. I've never really tried to see when immortality began for man. There is a place called Abrahams bosom for the Jews. So what happened to idolators before Jesus?
Luke 16 is an entirely different subject but it is not about heaven or hell, it is about...
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luk 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
Luk 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
The explanation of Luke 16 would require a separate thread.