For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If the law was of no effect after the new covenant through Christ, Paul would never said that it was Spiritual, and holy and the commandment holy, just and good. I think you believe what Paul wrote don't you?

This is a non sequitur (the conclusion does not follow from the premise). It doesn't follow that just because something is spiritual, holy and good GOD won't do away with it. The law has served its spiritual, holy and good purpose, but since it is powerless to help man's condition, GOD did away with the old to bring in the new that is better.

For what was impossible for the law in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the requirement of the law would be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4

But now [Christ] has attained a more excellent ministry, by as much as he is also mediator of a better covenant which has been enacted upon better promises. For if that first [old] covenant had been faultless, occasion would not have been sought for a second [new covenant]. Hebrews 8:6-7​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If you read the Bible close, the tables of stone are instructions for the priesthood and the building of the temple, not the ten commandments.

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Deuteronomy 4:13​

 

[Hamster]

If you read the Bible close, the tables of stone are instructions for the priesthood and the building of the temple, not the ten commandments. The ten commandments were the very first of the law given, and much more reading in Exodus chapters 20 thru 23. Moses wrote then down after telling Israel what God had said. They were moral laws. The tablets of stone were given to Moses starting 2 days after that in the time frame of 40 days and 40 nights. Starting in chapter 25.

Deut. 4:13. And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

 

[morninglory]

So why doesn't Paul ever deal with errors creeping in on the Sabbath either to the church at Corinth or at Rome? Remember the Jews were expelled from Rome. Errors would have crept in just because people would have misunderstood the different measuring of the days,because the church at for a time would have been almost all gentiles and not Jews.
Once the Jews starting coming back it would have been a source of contention if the Gentiles were required to keep the Sabbath because many would NOT have been keeping the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jews because of the cultural DIFFERENCES in measuring the days. Think how people in this day believe that the Sabbath is from midnight to midnight and sunset to sunset. Do you honestly believe that many of the Gentiles in that wouldn't have the same thing and yet Paul says not a word to the church at Rome about it,even though those errors would have crept into the church at Rome because of the cultural differences and due to misunderstandings alone? Do you think it would have been left out if they were suppose to keep the Sabbath?

Sarah, Paul does deal with such errors, so do the other Apostles. 1 Cor.10.1-12, 2 Cor.6.14-16, Gal.4.8-10, Phil.4.9, Col.2 16. What do you think dissembling means? Paul said in the letter to the Ephesians, that "in the dispensation of the fullness of times, he might gather together in one all things in Christ". He said for those of the circumcision not to become circumcised, and visa versa, and that could only be referring to the Gentile believers not trying to worship with the disciplined Jews, since it is not possible to be un circumcised once you have been circumcised. Don't forget that the Holy Spirit spoke through the Apostles to the people of their times, but he speeks through their writing to those of us that the written Word has come to, and if he didn't want the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath after they were no longer recovering barbarians, he would have made that plain. Instead he cleared the way for them to keep the Sabbath and other Holy days ...if they want to.


You can try your best to reason it away, but the Gentiles have been made one with the house of Israel via adopting them. That takes them back to the first set of laws, they were to be the same for the stranger as for the Israelites, and the Strangers that kept the laws were to be treated as homeborn sons. Scriptures on request, this Jew by choice is tired right now.

Peace

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sarah, Paul does deal with such errors, so do the other Apostles. 1 Cor.10.1-12, 2 Cor.6.14-16, Gal.4.8-10, Phil.4.9, Col.2 16. What do you think dissembling means? Paul said in the letter to the Ephesians, that "in the dispensation of the fullness of times, he might gather together in one all things in Christ". He said for those of the circumcision not to become circumcised, and visa versa, and that could only be referring to the Gentile believers not trying to worship with the disciplined Jews, since it is not possible to be un circumcised once you have been circumcised. Don't forget that the Holy Spirit spoke through the Apostles to the people of their times, but he speeks through their writing to those of us that the written Word has come to, and if he didn't want the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath after they were no longer recovering barbarians, he would have made that plain. Instead he cleared the way for them to keep the Sabbath and other Holy days ...if they want to.


You can try your best to reason it away, but the Gentiles have been made one with the house of Israel via adopting them. That takes them back to the first set of laws, they were to be the same for the stranger as for the Israelites, and the Strangers that kept the laws were to be treated as homeborn sons. Scriptures on request, this Jew by choice is tired right now.

Dissembling means to deceive.

Reversal of circumcision (Epispasm) was actually a medical procedure performed in Roman times on Jews who were ashamed to perform naked in the gymnasiums because the Romans made fun of their circumcised units. So yes, they could become uncircumcised.

For your reading pleasure: Epispasm: Circumcision in Reverse

 

[Karraster]

Jews and Christians find authority for their concept of “Sabbath” primarily from the example of the Creator who “rested” or ceased from his labors on the seventh day, blessed it and made it holy.[1] Observant Jews and most Christian Sabbatarians continue the practice of “ceasing” or “stopping”normal business activities on the seventh day to celebrate God’s good gifts and to worship the Creator of heaven and earth.
Christianity in general, however, centuries ago swapped the biblical Sabbath for the first day of the week, a Sunday Sabbath. How the Sunday Sabbath is commonly observed by Protestants and Catholics has much more in common with typical Islamic Friday Sabbath observance than how devout Jews and Christians celebrate the seventh day Sabbath.By Kenneth Westby


I've learned a lot from this thread. It's caused me to research different beliefs and pinpoint where they came from.

 

[RuthHannah]

Deut. 4:13. And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

What are the statutes and judgements ?

Have they also been done away also ?

Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate ?

 

[RuthHannah]

Sarah, Paul does deal with such errors, so do the other Apostles. 1 Cor.10.1-12, 2 Cor.6.14-16, Gal.4.8-10, Phil.4.9, Col.2 16. What do you think dissembling means? Paul said in the letter to the Ephesians, that "in the dispensation of the fullness of times, he might gather together in one all things in Christ". He said for those of the circumcision not to become circumcised, and visa versa, and that could only be referring to the Gentile believers not trying to worship with the disciplined Jews, since it is not possible to be un circumcised once you have been circumcised. Don't forget that the Holy Spirit spoke through the Apostles to the people of their times, but he speeks through their writing to those of us that the written Word has come to, and if he didn't want the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath after they were no longer recovering barbarians, he would have made that plain. Instead he cleared the way for them to keep the Sabbath and other Holy days ...if they want to.


You can try your best to reason it away, but the Gentiles have been made one with the house of Israel via adopting them. That takes them back to the first set of laws, they were to be the same for the stranger as for the Israelites, and the Strangers that kept the laws were to be treated as homeborn sons. Scriptures on request, this Jew by choice is tired right now.

Peace

What Holy days ?

 

[Isdaniel]

If you read the Bible close, the tables of stone are instructions for the priesthood and the building of the temple, not the ten commandments. The ten commandments were the very first of the law given, and much more reading in Exodus chapters 20 thru 23. Moses wrote then down after telling Israel what God had said. They were moral laws. The tablets of stone were given to Moses starting 2 days after that in the time frame of 40 days and 40 nights. Starting in chapter 25.

The tables of stone were the tem commandments

 

[Isdaniel]

Yes friend God made a covenant with Israel! 1 Kings 8:9-21 Verse 9, There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

hmmm iteresting why was it in the ark alone ?

 

[Isdaniel]

What are the statutes and judgements ?

Have they also been done away also ?

Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate ?

i look forward to Hamster answering these questions hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Kerry]

There is the tables of stone which is the law and the rod of Aaron which budded and grew almonds and some of the manna which the children of Israel fed upon in the wilderness. These are all reminders our pointers to the cross.

The broken law, A dead peice of wood that budded and brought forth fruit, and bread from heaven. All made possible by the cross.

 

[Isdaniel]

There is the tables of stone which is the law and the rod of Aaron which budded and grew almonds and some of the manna which the children of Israel fed upon in the wilderness. These are all reminders our pointers to the cross.

The broken law, A dead peice of wood that budded and brought forth fruit, and bread from heaven. All made possible by the cross.

only the stones are inside of the ark but the rest of things are inside as to the same place where the ark is bot inside as cookies in a cookie jar

 

[Kerry]

Here is the bigger question, where is the ark? and why is it no longer needed. One of the reasons for the veil splitting was to show the people that the ark was not there. They had some stone in the Holy of Holies. He no longer resides between the cherubs but in the hearts of those that believe.

 

[Isdaniel]

Here is the bigger question, where is the ark? and why is it no longer needed. One of the reasons for the veil splitting was to show the people that the ark was not there. They had some stone in the Holy of Holies. He no longer resides between the cherubs but in the hearts of those that believe.

hmmm that question is to small hmmm Is there a ark in heaven hmmm look like yes
[h=3]Revelation 11:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[Isdaniel]

Here is the bigger question, where is the ark? and why is it no longer needed. One of the reasons for the veil splitting was to show the people that the ark was not there. They had some stone in the Holy of Holies. He no longer resides between the cherubs but in the hearts of those that believe.

the veil spliting was not to shew that the ark was not there anymore hmm we are a temple the ark of the covenant = law is in us

 

[RuthHannah]

What does this mean ?

Exodus 25:9


9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.


Hebrews 8:5
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

 

[Kerry]

It equals Christ in us. Law has no power to save or redeem it only condemns. Paul said it is no longer I that lives but law through me, wrong, but Christ through me. Can Christ save a 95 year old homo in his last breath. Yes or no?

 

[Isdaniel]

It equals Christ in us. Law has no power to save or redeem it only condemns. Paul said it is no longer I that lives but law through me, wrong, but Christ through me. Can Christ save a 95 year old homo in his last breath. Yes or no?

hmm yes Jesus saves

hmm can lose salvation in their last breath yes or no ? How

 

[Isdaniel]

What does this mean ?

Exodus 25:9


9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.


Hebrews 8:5
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

God want to dwell in the holy of holies and on the mercy seat of of our hearts with the His law in us