For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[morninglory]

Here is the bigger question, where is the ark? and why is it no longer needed. One of the reasons for the veil splitting was to show the people that the ark was not there. They had some stone in the Holy of Holies. He no longer resides between the cherubs but in the hearts of those that believe.

That is something to be speculated, because Jesus said in Matt.17.26 he would return in "the glory of the Father", and Jn.17.5 he prayed to be returned to that glory, and Acts.1 9 he did, and the mercy seat above the Ark was where God communicated with Moses in his original glory. So where God said he would "hide his face and see what our latter end would be"", and that he would "dwell in deep darkness", there is indication all through prophecy that the Ark will re surface when he returns. The way the room is described that Solomon built for the Ark to exact specifications, it sounds like a secret room, and the scripture states "and it is there to this day". I figure God knows exactly where it is, and if and when he needs it to communicate with those who have prepared themselves, it will resurface. Either way, O happy day!!!


Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[morninglory]

It equals Christ in us. Law has no power to save or redeem it only condemns. Paul said it is no longer I that lives but law through me, wrong, but Christ through me. Can Christ save a 95 year old homo in his last breath. Yes or no?

Friend, if you believe that death is part of life, the life that Jesus came to restore, then you are still under the age old deception. Death is the same for everyone that dies, telling an old homosexual that his spirit is going to heaven when he dies if he accepts the Lord as his Saviour comforts his passing, but once you are dead, you are dead! Ps.146.4 "his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his THOUGHTS perish"; Job 3.11-19 "there the wicked cease from troubling and the weary be at rest. There the prisionrs rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. The small and the great are there, and the servant is free from his master"; Ecc.3.18-20 "--concerning the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. --all go unto one place, all are fo the dust, and all turn to dust again". Ecc.12.7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God who gave it".

Shocking? Was Eph.5.14 written to those that are in their graves, or to the living reader?

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sorry, but I have already defeated "the winds of doctrine" by familiarizing myself with the whole and express word of God, so save your links that do nothing but distract. And you need to look up the word "dissemble", because Peter was the minister to the circumcison, and when he was feasting with the Gentiles, Paul said he and other Jews were dissembling. The first definition of dissembling is "to conceal under a false appearance".

And by-the-way, you cannot put the foreskin back on once it has been cut off, so the reference was for the unruly Believers not to co-mingle with the disciplined Believers. That was the work of the Holy Spirit in the fulness of times. Sorry you are against his works...

If you had read the article I linked to, you would now know that yes, circumcision can become uncircumcision. It was done all of the time in ancient Rome. That is why it is written:

Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 1 Corinthians 7:18​

You may think you have defeated "the winds of doctrine", but it sounds like your ideas are breaking wind of doctrine.

 

[Isdaniel]

If you had read the article I linked to, you would now know that yes, circumcision can become uncircumcision. It was done all of the time in ancient Rome. That is why it is written:

Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 1 Corinthians 7:18​

You may think you have defeated "the winds of doctrine", but it sounds like your ideas are breaking wind of doctrine.

you have uncircumcised doctrine hmmm that verse does not mean that even if that was done in those days

Gentiles are uncircumcise will the Jews were considered circumcised physically thus Paul said

[h=3]Romans 2:25-29[/h]King James Version (KJV)

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not hisuncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Hamster]

hmmm iteresting why was it in the ark alone ?

I don't know at the time, do you? I will do some searching!

 

[Isdaniel]

I don't know at the time, do you? I will do some searching!

hmmm well you can tell me why in the future ok hmmmm i wil wait

 

[Hamster]

What are the statutes and judgements ?

Have they also been done away also ?

Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate ?

Deut. 4:13 He declared His covenant, and commanded them to perform, "even ten commandments", all that were in the covenant, was his statutes and judgments.

 

[Hamster]

hmmm well you can tell me why in the future ok hmmmm i wil wait

You search too!!

 

[morninglory]

If you had read the article I linked to, you would now know that yes, circumcision can become uncircumcision. It was done all of the time in ancient Rome. That is why it is written:

Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 1 Corinthians 7:18​

You may think you have defeated "the winds of doctrine", but it sounds like your ideas are breaking wind of doctrine.

RFTD, the reason I don't click on links, is because I took it upon myself to familiarize myself with the whole and express Word of God, and I found it to contain an unbroken chain of self revelation, which is what 2 Tim.2.15 says to "rightly divide the word of truth", so why in the world would I look further for information concerning the faith? And if I am right in what I have found and make known, then it is the Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible that you are insulting, and that is not a good idea...

Now as far as the ONE scripture you gave about circumcision; see also Eph.2.11 "wherefore remember, that ye being in times past Gentiles in the flesh, who are CALLED Uncircumcision by that which is CALLED the Circumscision in the flesh made by hands". That passage is concerning the Gentiles being made fellowcitizens with and built up into the household of God.

Rom.4.9-"--for we say that faith was reconed to Abraham for righteousness, how was it reconed? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? NOT in circumcision, but in UN circumcision. And he received the sign of the seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being UNcircumcised; that he might be the father of all them that believe though they be NOT circumcised; that the righteousness might be imputed to them also. And the Father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of the faith of our Father Abraham, which he had being yet UNcircumcised".

Now it doesn't take a wizard to figure out that if we follow the faith steps of Abraham, we will be circumcised AS AN ACT OF FAITH, to have the sign of the seal of the promise in our flesh(if we are men), we will not be circumcised because we think the act will make us righteous, which is what some Jews thought and preached. What did Paul say about the Israelites? That they did not inherit the pomise because that sought it not by faith, it doesn't say the deed was wrong(Rom9.22).

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[Hamster]

What are the statutes and judgements ?

Have they also been done away also ?

Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate ?

(1.) What are the statutes and Judgement? Leviticus 26.

Verse 46, These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

(2.) Have they also been done away also? Yes! The covenant by the hand of Moses, was done away in Christ! Eph. 2:15

(3.) Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate? I don't know, I would have to do some searching. Do you know?

 

[Hamster]

(1.) What are the statutes and Judgement? Leviticus 26.

Verse 46, These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

(2.) Have they also been done away also? Yes! The covenant by the hand of Moses, was done away in Christ! Eph. 2:15

(3.) Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate? I don't know, I would have to do some searching. Do you know?

All that were written was his statutes and judgments! How come you think they were saturate?

Deuteronomy4:13. And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

Deuteronomy 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the Lord spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the Lord gave them unto me.

Deut. 10:12-13 2. And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, 13. To keep the commandments of the Lord, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

 

[Hamster]

(1.) What are the statutes and Judgement? Leviticus 26.

Verse 46, These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

(2.) Have they also been done away also? Yes! The covenant by the hand of Moses, was done away in Christ! Eph. 2:15

(3.) Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate? I don't know, I would have to do some searching. Do you know?

All that were written was his statutes and judgments! How come you think they were separate?

Deuteronomy4:13. And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

Deuteronomy 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the Lord spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the Lord gave them unto me.

Deut. 10:12-13 2. And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, 13. To keep the commandments of the Lord, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

 

[zone]

RFTD, the reason I don't click on links, is because I took it upon myself to familiarize myself with the whole and express Word of God, and I found it to contain an unbroken chain of self revelation, which is what 2 Tim.2.15 says to "rightly divide the word of truth", so why in the world would I look further for information concerning the faith?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Worshiping Yah on the 1st day is not wrong, I said this, BUT thinking that the 1st day is sanctified or holy or in place of Yahweh's Sabbath is wrong.

You are correct in saying that, but refraining from other work also on the 1st day of the week is also wrong. Many people would go to church on the 1st day of the week, Sunday, and then keep it as a holy day as well. They still do their shopping, cutting lawns etc on the Sabbath, Saturday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation right up to today.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

you have uncircumcised doctrine hmmm that verse does not mean that even if that was done in those days

Gentiles are uncircumcise will the Jews were considered circumcised physically thus Paul said

Romans 2:25-29

King James Version (KJV)

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not hisuncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 Cor 7:19 - "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God".
This text shows clearly the importance of keeping the commandments of God whether you are of the "Old Covenant - circumcision" or "New Covenant - uncircumcision" - believers. Whether you are circumcised or not, makes no difference but the importance of the keeping of God's commandments are stressed by Paul when he wrote to the Corinthians.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

you have uncircumcised doctrine hmmm that verse does not mean that even if that was done in those days

Gentiles are uncircumcise will the Jews were considered circumcised physically thus Paul said

Romans 2:25-29

King James Version (KJV)

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not hisuncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Then there is also question about women. They cannot be circumcised.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

(1.) What are the statutes and Judgement? Leviticus 26.

Verse 46, These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

(2.) Have they also been done away also? Yes! The covenant by the hand of Moses, was done away in Christ! Eph. 2:15

(3.) Why were they not written on the stone but only the ten commandments was on stone and separate? I don't know, I would have to do some searching. Do you know?

There were two sets of laws namely the laws that were written by Moses and the laws written by God. The laws written by Moses were on papyris and placed outside the Ark and God's laws on stone and written by God Himself, were placed inside the Ark. The laws of Moses were not permanent and contained laws about circumcision, meat offerings, special sabbaths etc whilst God's laws are permanent and should be held until Jesus comes again. An example of a special Sabbath was where Jesus Christ was crucified on a Wednesday, also the day of preparation, lay in the grave on the special Sabbath - the Thursday, and was resurrected three days later on the Sabbath day - Saturday. The teaching that Jesus was crucified on the Friday is again a false teaching.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There were two sets of laws namely the laws that were written by Moses and the laws written by God. The laws written by Moses were on papyris and placed outside the Ark and God's laws on stone and written by God Himself, were placed inside the Ark. The laws of Moses were not permanent and contained laws about circumcision, meat offerings, special sabbaths etc whilst God's laws are permanent and should be held until Jesus comes again. .

This is just made up nonsense. When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was, he declared one that was written on the scroll placed without the ark, and didn't mention any that were written in stone.

 

[Brother_Don]

i don't think Moses finger was strong enough, God wrote in stone with His finger, Moses broke the tablets in a rage. Then God told Moses to write them. So maybe it was written on sheepskin when Moses wrote them.

 

[JaumeJ]

Exodus 34 has the story of the second set of stone tablets taken up the mount where Moses rewrote the tablets. I imagine he used a chisel or some sort. Also, the first tablets were smashed, while the second set was kept in the Ark of the Covenant.