How to keep the Sabbath.

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john832

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It's obvious from this and other statements you've made that you do not understand the gospel and cross of Christ. The law is powerless to help us. It has no power to convert (transform) a soul (as the above scripture suggests). The word convert above means to turn back, not transform. The law's purpose is educational, not transformational. Only the spirit can transform a person into GOD's image.
It is obvious that your human reasonings are not aligned with the revealed word of God...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Or is this figurative again? Does it really mean what it says? Or do we need for you to interpret it for us?
 
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It's obvious from this and other statements you've made that you do not understand the gospel and cross of Christ. The law is powerless to help us. It has no power to convert (transform) a soul (as the above scripture suggests). The word convert above means to turn back, not transform. The law's purpose is educational, not transformational. Only the spirit can transform a person into GOD's image.
Can the word of God convert someone ?
 
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It's obvious from this and other statements you've made that you do not understand the gospel and cross of Christ. The law is powerless to help us. It has no power to convert (transform) a soul (as the above scripture suggests). The word convert above means to turn back, not transform. The law's purpose is educational, not transformational. Only the spirit can transform a person into GOD's image.
Pslams 89

25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.
 

Grandpa

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How to keep the Sabbath? Read all God's words and listen to the Spirit within you to guide your ways. The fear of the Lord is beginning of wisdom. Remember the Sabbath, it is a Holy Day unto the Lord, both Father and Son, and it is to be treated with respect.

Then be prepared for Satan to curse you!
If you are trying to follow the Law why would satan need to curse you?

Galatians 3:10-11
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Satan doesn't war with those that are under the curse. He wars with those that have faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:13-14

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


You want to know how to "keep" the Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Come to Christ and be prepared to be blessed, by faith...
 
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It is obvious that your human reasonings are not aligned with the revealed word of God...

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Or is this figurative again? Does it really mean what it says? Or do we need for you to interpret it for us?
The word translated converting above simply means to turn around or return to a previous place. The best the law can do is convince someone to turn from doing evil; it does not give them the power to do so, nor to transcend the evil Adamic nature (Romans 7:12-25). The law can cause someone to return to a former place, but that person still has a corrupted nature.

The LXX concurs:

The law of the lord is unblemished, turning souls. The witness of the LORD is trustworthy, making wise the infants. Psalms 19:7​
Turning
G1994 ἐπιστρέφω epistrepho (ep-ee-stref'-o) v.
1. to revert

Here, study it yourself.


THE ENHANCED BROWN-DRIVER-BRIGGS HEBREW AND ENGLISH LEXICON

שׁוּב S7725 TWOT2340 GK8740, vb. turn back, return (NH id.; Hiph. in MI 8 f. 12; Sab. תֿוב, התֿב, especially requite Os xix (1865), 198 SabDenkm 20, l. 1 HomChrest. 122 CIS iv. 81, 1. 9, etc.; Arabic ثَابَ (ṯāba) return, so Aramaic תּוּב, ܬܒ (tb));—Qal685 Pf. 3 ms. שָׁב Gn 18:33 +, 3 fs. שָׁ֫בָה Ru 1:15 +, וְשָׁבַת consec. †Ez 46:17 (Ges§ 72 o, but Co Toy Krae וְשָׁבָה), 2 ms. שַׁבְתָּ ψ 85:2, etc.; Impf. 3 ms. יָשׁוּב Ho 11:5 + often, יָשֻׁב ψ 146:4 La 3:3, juss. יָשֹׁב Ju 7:3 +, וַיָּ֫שָׁב Gn 26:18 +; 3 fpl. תָּשֹׁבְןָ Ez 16:55(), תְּשֻׁבֶינָה v 55, etc.; Imv. ms. שׁוּב Gn 31:3 +, שֻׁב Ex 4:19 1 K 18:43, שׁוּ֫בָה Ho 14:2 +, fpl. שֹׁבְנָה Ru 1:8, 11, 12, etc.; Inf. abs. שׁוֹב Gn 8:3 +, cstr. שׁוּב Ex 4:21 +, שֹׁב Jos 2:16 (Ges§ 72 q), etc.; Pt. שָׁב Gn 43:18 +, fs. שָׁבָ֫ה Ru 1:22 +, etc.; pass. cstr. שׁוּבֵי Mi 2:8;—turn back, return: 1. turn back, c. מִן loc. Ju 3:19; 8:13, cf. 7:3, c. מֵאַחֲרֵי pers., i.e. from following 2 S 11:15 1 K 19:21 Ru 1:16, from pursuing 2 S 2:26, 30 1 K 22:33 = 2 Ch 18:32; c. מִן of pursuit 1 S 17:53; 23:28, cf. 2 Ch 11:4; c. אַחֲרֵי pers., i.e. so as to follow 1 S 15:31 2 S 23:10; turn back in fear, מִן rei Jb 39:22 (of horse), מִפְנֵי כֹל Pr 30:30 (of lion), so abs. (of foes) ψ 6:11; 56:10; 70:4, in shame La 1:8; turn back and do so and so: Gn 14:7 Ex 14:2, cf. Nu 33:7 (עַל loc., both P), Jos 8:21 (E), 11:10 (J), 1 Ch 21:20, sq. inf. 2 Ch 20:27; abs. turn back (face about) Ct 7:1() ( + vb.); = be repulsed, defeated ψ 9:4 ( + אָחוֹר), 74:21; fig. turn back, viz. from promise or vow Ju 11:35; c. מִן of service Nu 8:25 (P), i.e. be exempt. 2. return, come or go back, c. מֵעַל pers. 1 S 17:15 (opp. הלך), 2 S 10:14 2 K 18:14, מִן pers. Jos 10:31 ( + בְּשָׁלוֹם), מִן loc., especially from foreign land 2 K 8:3 2 Ch 10:2 Ru 1:6, 22; 2:6; 4:3 Je 31:16; 40:12; 43:5; 44:28 Ezr 6:21 Ne 8:17, מֵהַכּוֹת Gn 14:17 (JE?), 1 S 17:57; 18:6 2 S 1:1; 8:13, מֵאַחֲרֵי i.e. from pursuing 1 S 24:2 (Gi v 1); fig., לֹא שׁ׳ מִנִּי חֹשֶׁךְ Jb 15:22 (v. חֹשֶׁךְ 3 a); עִבְרוּ וָשׁוּבוּ מִשַּׁעַר לָשַׁעַר Ex 32:27 (J), i.e. go back and forth from gate to gate, cf. (abs.) pt. as subst. עֹבֵר וָשָׁב Zc 7:14; 9:8 and ( = all persons) Ez 35:7; also וַיֵּצֵא יָצוֹא וָשׁוֹב Gn 8:7 (J), רָצוֹא וָשׁוֹב Ez 1:14 (del. Hi Co Toy al.; yet v. Krae); Gn 8:3 (J) v. הלך 4 c (4). 3. especially return unto: a. go back, אֶל pers. Nu 23:5, 16 (JE), 2 K 1:6 (|| הָלַךְ, as often), Ex 5:22 (J; אֶל־י׳, 32:31 (E; id.), Nu 17:15 (P), 2 S 20:22 ( + acc. loc.), Je 46:16 (both + אֶל loc.), + 17 times; אֶל loc. also Gn 21:32; 28:21 (both E), 2 S 11:4 Ho 5:15 (of י׳), 2 Ch 19:1 ( + בְּשָׁלוֹם, + ל pers.), Est 2:14 (opp. בּוֹא), 7:8 ( + מִן loc.), + 27 times; of a dog שׁ׳ עַל־קֵאוֹ Pr 26:11; ל loc. Gn 18:33 (J), 1 S 26:25; 29:4 1 K 19:15 ( + -ה loc.), Gn 33:16 (J; לְדַרְכּוֹ, + id.), ψ 7:8 (of י׳), + 25 times; ל pers. †Ru 1:10 (לְעַמֵּךְ); -ה loc. also Gn 44:13 (J), Ex 4:20, 21 (R), 13:17 (E), + 5 times; שָׁם ( = שָׁ֫מָּה) Je 22:27; acc. loc. also Ho 8:13; 9:3 1 S 18:2 2 S 3:27; 15:27 ( + בְּשָׁלוֹם), 2 K 2:25 ( + מִן loc.), + 15 times; acc. דֶּרֶךָ Ez 46:9; acc. pers. †Nu 10:36; אַחֲרֵי pers. Ru 1:15; abs. 2 S 3:16; 19:16 ( + בּוֹא), 1 K 18:43 Je 40:5 (< del. G Gie Du), Ez 7:13b (del. G Co Krae al.) +; sq. vb., go back and do so and so, Gn 43:2 1 S 1:19; 29:7 (שׁוּב וְלֵךְ בְּשָׁלוֹם), 1 K 13:22 2 Ch 18:16 ( + בְּשָׁלוֹם) +, (Je 42:10 read יָשׁוֹב Vrss and mod.); sq. inf. purpose Ju 14:8 2 S 6:20 + 10 times b. come back, אֶל pers. Gn 8:9 (J; + אֶל loc.), Ex 24:14 (J), 1 S 23:23 + 2 S 17:3 (G Ew Th We Dr HPS Bu), 1 K 12:15 (opp. הָלַךְ) + 9 times + (in hostility) Ju 20:48; אֶל loc. also Zc 8:3 (subj. י׳); Jos 22:32 (P) has מֵאֵת pers. + מִן loc. + אֶל loc. + אֶל pers.; אֶל rei Ez 7:13; עַל pers. †Ne 4:6 Mi 5:2 (be reunited to); עַל loc. †1 K 17:21, 22; ל loc. Jos 1:15 (R), Zc 1:16 (subj. י׳), 2 Ch 30:9 + (from exile) 5 times; ל animal., Jb 39:4; -ה loc. †Gn 15:16 (E), 50:14 (J); acc. loc. †2 Ch 19:8; שָׁם Je 22:11 (opp. יָצָא), שָׁ֫מָּה v 27, הֵ֫נָּה 31:8; abs. Gn 43:10 (J), 2 S 10:5 2 K 1:5 Is 21:12 (|| אָתָה), Jb 39:12 (Kt, so Bu Du; of wild ox), + often; + בְּשָׁלוֹם Ju 8:9 1 K 22:28 (שׁוֹב תָּשׁוּב) = 2 Ch 18:27, 2 Ch 18:26; + vb., come back and do so and so, †Dt 1:45; 30:8 Je 37:8 1 K 19:7; 20:5 2 K 9:36 ψ 60:2 (title), cf. Zc 4:1 Dn 11:10, שׁ׳ לָשֶׁבֶת Nu 35:32 (P), שׁ׳ לָלֶכֶת Ec 5:14. † 4. a. of dying, שׁ׳ אֶל־(הֶ)עָפָר Gn 3:19() (J), ψ 104:29 Ec 3:20, עַל־עָפָר Jb 34:15; שׁ׳ לְאַדְמָתוֹ ψ 146:4, cf. אָשׁוּב שָׁ֫מָּה (i.e. בֶּטֶן אִמּוֹ) Jb 1:21 (v. Di Bu, also Ec 5:14); שׁ׳ לִשְׁא֑וֹלָה ψ 9:18; so prob. abs. ψ 90:3 (> come back to life); of (human) dust, שׁ׳ עַל־הָאָרֶץ Ec 12:7; breath, שׁ׳ אֶל־הָאֱלֹהִים v 7. b. of revival from death, שׁ׳ לְבֵיתוֹ Jb 7:10, abs. 10:21 (opp. הָלַךְ), 16:22 (id.), Pr 2:19; also c. אֶל pers. 2 S 12:23. † 5. fig. of human relations: a. return to leader, king, אֶל pers., Ju 11:8 1 K 12:27(); to divorced wife Je 3:1 (opp. הלך). b. = change so as to approach (in purpose, desire), אֶל־ pers. Je 15:19(). c. turn, i.e. resort to, ל pers. ψ 119:79. d. return to a physical condition Jb 33:25 (ל rei); to a state or course of life, ל rei Is 23:17 Ez 16:55() Ne 9:17 ψ 85:9 עַל rei Je 11:10, הֲלוֹם ψ 73:10 (but crpt.); ב Je 8:6 (Du reads שָׁט for שָׁב). e. abs. = change course of action; from good to bad, וַיָּשָׁב וַיִּמְרָד־בּוֹ 2 K 24:1, Je 34:11, 16; bad to good v 15; so שׁ׳ alone Jb 6:29() (prob.; read וְשׁוּבוּ, so Di Da Bu al.; other interpr. De Du al.). f. pt. pass. = averse, שׁוּבֵי מִלְחָמָה Mi 2:8 (> We Now שְׁבִי spoil of war). 6. fig., specif. of spiritual relations: a. turn back from God, = apostatize, מֵאַחֲרֵי י׳ Nu 14:43 (J), 1 S 15:11 1 K 9:6 (שׁוֹב תְּשֻׁב֫וּן), Je 3:19, Nu 32:15 Jos 22:16, 18, 23, 29 (all P); abs. (usually + vb.) Ju 2:19; 8:33 Jos 23:12 (RD), Je 8:4 ψ 78:41 2 Ch 7:19. b. of י׳, turn away, מֵאַחֲרֵי pers. Dt 23:15. c. turn back to God ( = seek penitently), אֶל־י׳ Ho 6:1; 7:10; 14:3 Je 3:7 1 K 8:33, 48 (בְּכָל־לֵבָב), + 18 times; אֶל־אֱלֹהִים †Ho 5:4 ψ 51:15, cf. Is 10:21; עַל־י׳ †2 Ch 15:4; 30:9; עַד־י׳ Am 4:6, 8, 9, 10, 11 Ho 14:2 Is 9:12 + 5 times; עַד־שַׁדַּי †Jb 22:23; לי׳ Is 31:6, שׁ׳ נַפְשִׁי לִמְנוּחָ֑יְכִי ψ 116:7; cf. לַבַּעַל Ho 7:16 (for לֹא עַל, Now, cf. Marti); לְתוֹכַחְתִּי Pr 1:23 (prob. del., v. Toy). d. abs. repent, Ho 3:5; 11:5 Is 6:10; 10:22 Je 3:7, 12, 14, 22; 4:1; 5:3 + 14 times, + pt. as subst. Is 1:27. e. turn back from evil, c. מִן (especially Je Ez) 1 K 8:35; 13:33 Je 15:7; 18:8 + 8 times Je, Ez 3:19; 13:22 + 12 times Ez, + 9 times; cf. שָׁבֵי פֶשַׁע Is 59:20; שׁוּבוּ וְהָשִׁיבוּ מִן Ez 18:30, so c. מֵעַל 14:6; from good, c. מִן, †Ez 3:20; 18:24, 26; 33:18. f. of י׳, שׁ׳ מֵחֲרוֹן אַפּוֹ Ex 32:12 (JE), Dt 13:18 Jos 7:26 (J), 2 K 23:26 Jon 3:9; שׁ׳ מִמֶּנּוּ אַף־י׳ Ho 14:5 Je 2:35; 4:8 Nu 25:4 (P), 2 Ch 12:12; 29:10; 30:8, so (man’s anger) Gn 27:45 (J) and (abs.) v 44 (E); abs. of אַף־י׳ Is 5:25; 9:11, 16, 20; 10:4; 12:1 Je 23:20 (opp. יָצָא v 19), 30:24 Jb 14:13 Dn 9:16. g. of י׳, return (to shew favour), אֶל pers. †Gn 18:10 ( + inf. abs.), v 14 Zc 1:3 Mal 3:7 2 Ch 30:6, abs. Is 63:17 ψ 80:15 (|| הִבִּיט, פָּקַד), 90:13, + vb. Je 12:15 ψ 6:5 Jo 2:14 Jon 3:9; also in hostility, + vb. Jos 24:20 (E), c. inf. purpose Ho 11:9. h. of י׳, turn back from (מִן) judgment Je 4:28, אֱמֶת ψ 132:11; מֵאַחֲרֵי pers., i.e. cease to bless, Je 32:40. 7. of inanimate things (sometimes personified, or treated as things of life): a. as perceptibly moving, water Gn 8:3 (J; מֵעַל loc.), Jos 4:18 (J; ל loc.), Ex 14:26 (P; עַל pers.), v 28 (P; + vb.), ψ 104:9 (ל inf.), sea Ex 14:27 (J; לְאֵיתָנוֹ); wind ψ 78:39 (opp. הלך), Ec 1:6 (עַל loc.); shadow 2 K 20:9, 10 ( + אֲחֹרַנִּית), || Is 38:8 (sun on dial), of breath ( = revive) Ju 15:19 1 S 30:12 (אֶל pers.); clouds Ec 12:2 (מִן temp.); rain and snow Is 55:10 (ה loc.); rolling stone Pr 26:27; sword 2 S 1:22 (מִן rei), Ez 21:10, arrow Je 50:9; of plague-spot = 4, Lv 14:43 (P). b. = be brought back, Gn 43:18 (J), 1 S 5:11 (ל loc.), hence be restored, ל pers. Ez 46:17, so of kingdom 1 K 12:26, city 1 S 7:14 (Ez 35:9 v. ישׁב 4), field Lv 27:24 (P); of animal Dt 28:31. c. = be turned into, ל rei, Is 29:17; = be turned back into, עַד rei, Mi 1:7. d. return, fig. of word, (1) Is 45:23, c. אֶל pers. 55:11 (both opp. יָצָא); (2) ψ 35:13 my prayer turned upon (עַל) my bosom (was uttered with bowed head, De Bae Du). e. turn away, depart, of infamy Pr 25:10. f. return (in recompense), of crime, evil, etc., c. בְּרֹאשׁ 1 K 2:33 Ob 15 ψ 7:17, עַל־רֹאשׁ Est 9:25, ל pers. ψ 54:7 (Kt; > Qr Hiph.), Pr 12:14. g. ψ 94:15 judgment (-giving) shall return to (עַד) righteousness (be in accord therewith). h. of boundary, = change (sometimes reverse) direction (P), -ה loc. Jos 19:12 ( + מִן loc.), v 34 ( + acc. loc.), acc. loc. also v 27, 29 ( + עַד loc.), v 29. i. be restored to healthy condition, of withered hand 1 K 13:6() (אֶל pers.), leprous hand Ex 4:7 (J; c. *כ* comp.), flesh 2 K 5:10 (ל pers.), v 14 Lv 13:16 (|| נֶהְפַּךְ לְלָבָן). † 8. denoting repetition, etc. (Ges§ 120 d g): + vb., return (and) do = do again, Gn 26:18; 30:31 Nu 11:4 (all J), Ju 19:7 1 S 3:5, 6 1 K 13:33; 19:6 2 K 1:11, 13; 19:9; 21:3 = 2 Ch 33:3, Je 18:4; 36:28 Zc 5:1; 6:1 Mal 1:4 Jb 10:16; 17:10 ψ 7:13 Dn 9:25, perhaps also 2 Ch 19:4; cf. Is 6:13 = it, in turn, shall be destroyed (destruction shall be repeated in its case), La 3:3 appar. = do repeatedly; שׁ׳ + Inf. abs. Ec 4:1, 7; 9:11; in compar. עוֹד תָּשׁוּב תִּרְאֶה Ez 8:6 thou shalt see yet greater abominations, so v 13 and (מִן comp.) v 15; שׁ׳ + Inf. cstr. Dt 24:4; 30:9 Jos 5:2 (RD), Je 36:28 Ez 8:17 Ezr 9:14 Ne 9:28 Jb 7:7 Ec 1:7: = reverse one’s action, + vb. Jos 2:23 (E), Ho 2:11 2 K 13:25 Dt 30:3 Mi 7:19 Zc 8:15 ψ 71:20(); 85:7; = restore to original condition by doing, + vb. Dt 23:14. 9. trans., peculiarly, in phr. שׁ׳ שְׁבוּת restore captivity of, etc., c. 21 times (v. שְׁבוּת sub שָׁבָה); שׁ׳ י׳ צִיּוֹן Is 52:8, שׁ׳ c. sf. pers. ψ 85:5; elsewhere only וְשָׁב י׳ אֶת־גְּאוֹן יַעֲקֹב וגו׳ Na 2:3, cf. Hiph. 9. †Pōʿl. 1. bring back, Pf. 1 s. וְשֹׁבַבְתִּ֫י, c. acc. pers. + אֶל loc. Je 50:19 (י׳ subj.), Inf. cstr. sf. בְּשׁוֹבְבִי, c. מִן loc. Ez 39:27 and (fig.) לְשׁוֹבֵב, c. אֶל pers. Is 49:5; Impf. 2 ms. תְּשׁוֹבֵב לָנוּ ψ 60:3 = take us back into power. 2. a. fig. restore, refresh, 3 ms. נַפְשִׁי יְשׁוֹבֵב ψ 23:3 (י׳ subj.); cf. Hiph. 2 b. b. restore, repair, Pt. מְשׁוֹבֵב נְתִיבוֹח לָשָׁ֑בֶת Is 58:12. 3. lead away (enticingly), Pf. 1 s. sf. (of God), י׳ subj., וְשׁוֹבַבְתִּיךָ Ez 38:4 (del. Co), וְשֹׁ׳ 39:2; so fig. 3 fs. sf. וְדַעְתֵּךְ הִיא שׁוֹבְבָ֑תֶךְ Is 47:10 (of Bab.);—Je 50:6 v. I. שׁוֹבָב. 4. shew turning = apostatize (cf. Hiph. 8), Pf. 3 fs. שׁוֹבְבָה Je 8:5 (read שׁוֹבֵב, and del. ירושׁלם, c. G).—Vid. also שׁוֹבֵב infra. †Puʿl. Pt. f. מְשׁוֹבֶ֫בֶת Ez 38:8 a land restored + מִן rei.—Vid. also שׁוֹבָב infra. Hiph.353 Pf. 3 ms. Gn 41:13 +; sf. וַהֲשִׁיבְךָ 40:13, וֶהֱשִׁיבְךָ Dt 28:68; 2 ms. הֱשִׁיבוֹתָ ψ 85:4, וַהֲשֵׁבֹתָ֫ Dt 4:39; 30:1, sf. וַהֲשֵׁיבוֹתָם 2 Ch 6:25; 1 s. consec. וַהֲשִׁיב֫וֹתִי Am 1:8, וַהֲשִׁבֹתִ֫י Nu 22:8 +, sf. וְהוֹשְׁבוֹתִים Zc 10:6 (but read וַהֲשִׁבוֹתִים, v. ישׁב Hiph.), etc.; Impf. 3 ms. יָשִׁיב Ex 21:34 +, (read יָשִׁב Dn 11:18, 19 > Qr v 18 יָשֵׂם), וַיָּ֫שֶׁב Gn 20:14 +; sf. יְשִׁבֵנִי 2 S 15:8 +, וַיְשִׁיבֵם 2 Ch 19:4 + 1 S 12:8 Vrss We Dr al.; 3 fpl. תָּשֵׁבְנָה Jb 20:10, etc.; Imv. ms. הָשֵׁב Gn 20:7 +, הָשֵׁיב 2 K 8:6, הָשַׁ֑ב Is 42:22, so הָשַׁ֭ב Ez 21:35 (v. Ke and still Toy; Ew Sm Krae Inf. abs. הָשֵׁב), הָשִׁיבָה Ju 11:13 +, etc.; Inf. abs. הָשֵׁב Ex 23:4 +; cstr. הָשִׁיב Gn 42:35 +, etc.; Pt. מֵשִׁיב 20:7 +, etc.;—cause to return, bring back: 1. a. c. acc. pers. + אֶל loc. Gn 24:5 (J; הֶהָשֵׁב אָשִׁיב), 28:15 (J), 42:37 (E), 48:21 (E), +; especially from exile 1 K 8:34 = 2 Ch 6:25, Je 27:22 + 5 times Je; + אֶל pers. 1 K 22:26 = 2 Ch 18:25; + עַל loc. Je 16:15; 23:3; 24:6; + ל loc. 12:15; + acc. loc. 2 S 15:8 (read הָשֵׁב יְשִׁבֵנִי Vrss Th We Dr al.), Dt 28:68 Ez 29:14; 47:6 2 Ch 33:13, etc.; + מִן loc. Je 41:16 Zc 10:10, מֵאֵת pers. Je 41:16, מִן inf. 2 Ch 25:13; acc. pers. only Ju 19:3 1 K 13:20, 23 +; bring back into bondage, etc., Je 34:11, 16; = allow to return 15:19; acc. pers. + rei ( = recover, recapture), 28:6 ( + אֶל loc., מִן loc.); = recover, rescue, Gn 14:16 (acc. pers. + rei), ψ 35:17 (acc. נַפְשִׁי, מִן rei); acc. rei + אֶל pers. Gn 44:8 (J), + עַל pers. Ex 15:9 (song), Pr 20:26; + אֶל loc. 1 K 14:28 = 2 Ch 12:11, Je 28:3 2 Ch 24:11; acc. of hand, אֶל־פֶּה 1 S 14:27 Pr 19:24 26:15; especially of י׳’s hand, in judgment, sq. עַל Am 1:8 Is 1:25 Zc 13:7 ψ 81:15, also of man’s hand Je 6:9 Ez 38:12; + acc. loc. 2 S 15:25, 29; + שָׁם Ne 13:9; acc. rei alone Gn 43:12, 21 (both בְּיֶדְכֶם), 14:16 ( = recapture), 1 S 6:21; 30:19 1 K 13:29 (corpse), Lv 26:26 (H); c. acc. animal. 1 S 6:7 (מֵאַחֲרֵי), Ez 34:4, 16 (fig.); shadow on dial 2 K 20:11 = Is 38:8.—Jb 39:12 v. Qal 3 b. b. put back: acc. rei, stone, עַל־פִּי הַבְּאֵר Gn 29:3 (J), veil עַל־פָּנָיו Ex 34:35 (P), Dagon לִמְקוֹמוֹ 1 S 5:3, rod לִפְנֵי הָעֵדוּת Nu 17:25 (P), sword, + אֶל of sheath, 1 Ch 21:27 Ez 21:35 (acc. om.); hand אֶל־חֵיק Ex 4:7() (J; opp. הוֹצִיא). c. = draw back, hand Gn 38:29 (J), 1 K 13:4 (opp. שָׁלַח; + אֶל reflex.), Jos 8:26 (E; opp. נטה), so fig., י׳ subj. La 2:3 (מִפְּנֵי, אָחוֹר), ψ 74:11; c. מִן = refrain from La 2:8 Ex 18:8, 17 (i.e. from oppressing), 20:22 (מִן om.); foot, c. מִן Is 58:13 (fig.); draw in breath Jb 9:18. d. = give back, restore, acc. pers. vel rei: + ל pers. Gn 20:14 (E), v 7 (E; acc. om.), Ex 23:4 (E; הָשֵׁב תָּשִׁיב), Dt 22:1 (id.; both acc. animal.), 24:13 (id.), Ex 22:25 (E), Ju 17:3(), 4 1 S 12:3 2 S 9:7 Dt 22:2 (P), Ne 5:11, so 2 S 16:3 1 K 12:21 = 2 Ch 11:1 (all acc. of kingdom), c. acc. צְדָקָה Jb 33:26; + אֶל pers. Gn 37:22 (E; acc. pers.); + אֶל loc. 42:25 (E); acc. rei only, 2 K 8:6 Ez 18:7 (read Inf. abs., שׁוֹב for חוֹב, Co Toy Krae), 18:12; 33:15 Lv 5:23 (P), Nu 5:7 (P; + בְּרֹאשׁוֹ = in full), ψ 69:5 (opp. גָּזַל), so of land (or city) Ju 11:13 1 K 20:34 Ne 5:12, cf. 2 K 14:28 ( + בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל), 16:6 ( + לַאֲרָם); = win back 2 K 13:25; 14:22 ( + ל terr.) = 2 Ch 26:2, boundary (i.e. re-establish it) 2 K 14:25; restore ruined city Dn 9:25 ( + לִבְנוֹת), conquered nation ψ 80:4, 8, 20; joy, acc. + ל pers. ψ 51:14.—2 S 8:3 v. יָד 2.—Acc. pers. only, Gn 20:7 (E), Is 42:22; restore to office, acc. pers. + עַל Gn 40:13, 21 (E), אֶל loc. 2 S 19:12, acc. pers. only, 2 S 19:11, 13, 44, cf. Is 1:26; = pay back money, Lv 25:27 (ל pers.), v 51, 52. e. = relinquish, c. acc. rei, Jb 20:10. f. = give in payment, requital, c. acc. rei + appos. 1 S 6:8 (ל pers.), v 17 (id.; cf. טְחוֹר); also pay as tribute (in answer to demand), acc. rei 2 K 17:3 ψ 72:10, + ל pers. 2 K 3:4 2 Ch 27:5; give in exchange Ez 27:15. g. bring one back (from dead) 2 S 12:23, so c. מִנִּי Jb 33:30; on other hand, אֶל־עָפָר Jb 10:9 = מָוֶת (acc.) 30:23, cf. עַד־דַּכָּא ψ 90:3. † 2. a. bring back heart, לֵב, עַל pers. Mal 3:24; הֲשִׁיבֵנוּ י׳ אֵלֶיךָ La 5:21 (< Bu restore, del. אליך); הֵשִׁיב אֶל־י׳ Ne 9:26 (cf. v 29), 2 Ch 19:4; 24:19, also (מִן of evil) Je 23:22, abs. 31:18. b. acc. נֶפֶשׁ = refresh La 1:11, 16, 19 ψ 19:8 Pr 25:13 Ru 4:15. 3. bring back words of people, אֶל־י׳ Ex 19:8 (E); then, in gen., bring back word, דָּבָר, report to, + acc. pers. Gn 37:14 Nu 13:26; 22:8 (all E), Dt 1:22, 25 Jos 14:7 (RD), 22:32 (P), + 8 times; = answer 1 S 17:30 2 S 3:11 1 K 12:6 = 2 Ch 10:6 + 6 times, + (acc. מִלִּין) Jb 35:4; also (דָּבָר om.) Jb 13:22; 20:2; 33:5, 32 2 Ch 10:16 Ne 6:4 (כַּדָּבָר הַזֶּה); acc. אֲמָרִים + ל pers. Ju 5:29 Pr 22:21; later c. ל pers. alone 1 S 12:3; c. cl. orat. recta, אֶל pers. Est 4:13, 15; similar phrases, Ez 9:11 Pr 18:13; 24:26; 26:16 Hb 2:1 Jb 31:14; 32:14 (Gi v 15), 40:4. 4. a. bring back (in retribution), cf. Qal 7 f) upon, subj. often י׳, acc. of evil, Ju 9:56, בְּרֹאשׁ Ju 9:57 1 S 25:39 1 K 2:44 Jo 4:4, 7, עַל־רֹאשׁ 1 K 2:32, אֶל־רֹאשׁ Ne 3:36; ל pers. Gn 50:15 (E), 1 S 6:3 (הָשֵׁב תָּשִׁיבוּ), v 4 25:21 (return evil for good), +, etc.; abs. = make requital, ל pers. 2 Ch 6:23 + (*כ* comp.) Ho 12:3 Pr 24:12, 29; †c. acc. of good, ל pers. 1 S 26:23 2 S 16:12 Zc 9:12; c. *כ* comp. + ל pers. ψ 18:21, 25 = 2 S 22:21, 25, and (*כ* comp. only) 2 Ch 32:25; requite י׳’s benefits, acc. rei + לי׳ ψ 116:12, cf. Nu 18:9 (P). b. pay as recompense, כֶּסֶף יָשׁ׳ לִבְעָלָיו Ex 21:34 (E); so (fig.) of י׳, הֵשׁ׳ נָקָם לְ Dt 32:41, 43, לְהָשׁ׳ בְּחֵמָה אַפּוֹ Is 66:15. 5. turn back, backward = repel, defeat, c. אֶת־פְּנֵי 2 K 18:24 = Is 36:9, acc. מִלְחָמָה Is 28:6, acc. of sword ψ 89:44, acc. pers. + אָחוֹר ψ 44:11 ( + מִנִּי pers.), Is 44:25 (fig., = refute, confute), fig. of calamity La 1:13; = repulse, hinder Je 2:24, especially acc. Is 14:27 (יַד־י׳), cf. 43:13, Jb 9:12; 11:10; 23:13; = reject, refuse, (אֶת־)פְּנֵי פ׳ 1 K 2:16, 17, 20() 2 Ch 6:42 ψ 132:10. † 6. a. turn away face, fig., + מֵעַל rei Ez 14:6; acc. pers. + מִן rei Mal 2:6; anger of י׳ (acc.) + מֵעַל pers. Nu 25:11 (P), Pr 24:18, מִן pers. Je 18:20 Ezr 10:14; acc. only, Jb 9:13 ψ 78:38; 106:23; acc. of human anger Pr 15:1; 29:8. b. late, turn toward, acc. face, ל loc. Dn 11:18, 19, acc. foot, אֶל rei ψ 119:59 (fig.). † 7. turn against, אֶל־אֵל, c. acc. רוּחֶ֑ךָ Jb 15:13. 8. לֵב, הֵשׁ׳ אֶל־לֵבָב bring back to mind, take into consideration, c. acc. La 3:21, sq. cl. with כִּ׳ Dt 4:39 (cf. Dr), obj. om. 30:1 1 K 8:47 = 2 Ch 6:37, Is 44:19, + (עַל) 46:8. 9. הֵשִׁיב אֶת־שְׁבוּת פ׳ Je 32:44; 33:7, 11; 49:6 La 2:14 Ez 39:25 + (Qr Hiph., Kt Qal) Je 33:26; 49:39 Jo 4:1 (v. Qal 9). † 10. Hiph. declar., הָשׁ׳ מֵעַל Ez 14:6 = shew a turning away from your idols (i.e. turn away), cf. (מִן) 18:30, abs. הָשׁ׳ וִחְיוּ v 32; of י׳, השׁ׳ מֵחֲרוֹן אַפֶּ֑ךָ ψ 85:4 (but read prob. הֲשִׁיבוֹתָה חֲרוֹן א׳ [6 a supra]); perhaps in physical sense Jon 1:13 (אֶל loc.; We Now sc. אֳנִיָּה, etc.). † 11. reverse, revoke, acc. (sf.) rei, i.e. judgment, Am 1:3, 6, 9, 11, 13; 2:1, 4, 6; blessing Nu 23:20 (poem in E), edict Est 8:5, 8. †Hoph. Pf. 3 ms. הוּשֵׁב Gn 42:28 my money has been returned! cf. Pt. הַכֶּסֶף הַמּוּשָׁב 43:12 (both J); הַמּ׳ לי׳ Nu 5:8 (P) the אָשָׁם which is restored to י׳; pl. מוּשָׁבִים Je 27:16 the vessels are about to be brought back, c. מִן loc.; Impf. 3 ms. וַיּוּשַׁב אֶת־מֹשֶׁה Ex 10:8 (J; cf. Ges§ 121 a, b) Moses was brought back, c. אֶל pers.
 

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It is a blessing and a joy to be attacked from simply following God and living and worship as He commands. It shows your heart just how important it is, for satan do not care about things that are not in line with following God, only the things that are in line with God. That is what draws fire! I rebuke satan in the name of the Lord my salvation! I will follow God.
I would say you are being corrected for the sake of the gospel. There are people who defend faith and people who come against it. If you read Acts 16 you can pretty much see which side you fall on.
 

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I would say you are being corrected for the sake of the gospel. There are people who defend faith and people who come against it. If you read Acts 16 you can pretty much see which side you fall on.
I was thinking he was more along the lines of Acts 17...

Act 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
 

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I was thinking he was more along the lines of Acts 17...

Act 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
I meant to type Acts 15 but it looks like it came out 16...

Which laws were Christians compelled to follow to be Christians, according to Acts 15?

It seems this has already been hashed out a couple thousand years ago. I guess they stopped sending out the memo.
 
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I meant to type Acts 15 but it looks like it came out 16...

Which laws were Christians compelled to follow to be Christians, according to Acts 15?

It seems this has already been hashed out a couple thousand years ago. I guess they stopped sending out the memo.

Are only the one in Acts 15 christians are to follow ?
 
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Surely, by Keeping the Testimony of the Messiah whom went up and suffered on the cross, is glorifying to Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.

Servants can take no credit for doing that which their Master commands.
Yes servants did not earn the day off. It's the Father who gives.
 
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Because it is works and work of the flesh. But if your faith is in the cross, then it is a work of the Spirit and not your own. Not by might, nor by power, but, by My Spirit saith the Lord.
Because it is rest and rest of the flesh.
 
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I understand your reasoning.

John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
The name Jew is short, derived from the word Judah. The priesthood being changed to the tribe of Judah doesn't effect any other part of the law, and the details recorded therein.

Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus didn't say

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to preserve the law, or the prophets: I am not come to preserve, but to change it.
 

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I meant to type Acts 15 but it looks like it came out 16...

Which laws were Christians compelled to follow to be Christians, according to Acts 15?

It seems this has already been hashed out a couple thousand years ago. I guess they stopped sending out the memo.
Hmmm, murder, adultery and lying aren't mentioned. You champion those attributes as Christian do you?
 
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Because it is rest and rest of the flesh.
The purpose of resting it to devote ones time to meditate, and muse on God's greatness that has been manifested during the previous 6 days. It's a manna thing and a creation thing for starters. It's for the purpose of convocation. Reading, defining, and understanding, through edification.

Hebrews 13:12-16 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Highlighted words were established long before this was written in the Mosaic law through the Spirit of God.
 
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I meant to type Acts 15 but it looks like it came out 16...

Which laws were Christians compelled to follow to be Christians, according to Acts 15?

It seems this has already been hashed out a couple thousand years ago. I guess they stopped sending out the memo.
Memo has been sent to all, but...

his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to be king over us!’ Luke 19:14​
 
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Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus didn't say

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to preserve the law, or the prophets: I am not come to preserve, but to change it.
But he did say through Paul

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;​
abolish (Ephesions 2:15)
G2673 καταργέω katargeo
1. to make entirely idle

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
76.26 καταργέω: to render ineffective the power or force of something—‘to invalidate, to abolish, to cause not to function.’ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ‘to abolish the Law of commandments consisting of regulations’ Eph 2:15;​

Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but to render it powerless by virtue of a more excellent way, i.e., the spirit. By fulfilling the law he rendered it powerless.

Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


destroy (Matthew 5:17)
G2647 καταλύω kataluo
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
20.54 καταλύω; καθαιρέωc; καθαίρεσιςa, εως f: to destroy completely by tearing down and dismantling—‘to destroy, to tear down, destruction.’
καταλύωa: οὐκ ἀφεθήσεται λίθος ἐπὶ λίθῳ ὃς οὐ καταλυθήσεται ‘there will not be one stone left on another which will not be torn down’ Lk 21:6.
καθαιρέωc: καθελῶ μου τὰς ἀποθήκας καὶ μείζονας οἰκοδομήσω ‘I will tear my barns down and build bigger ones’ Lk 12:18.​
 

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But he did say through Paul

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;​
abolish (Ephesions 2:15)
G2673 καταργέω katargeo
1. to make entirely idle

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
76.26 καταργέω: to render ineffective the power or force of something—‘to invalidate, to abolish, to cause not to function.’ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ‘to abolish the Law of commandments consisting of regulations’ Eph 2:15;​

Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but to render it powerless by virtue of a more excellent way, i.e., the spirit. By fulfilling the law he rendered it powerless.

Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


destroy (Matthew 5:17)
G2647 καταλύω kataluo
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
20.54 καταλύω; καθαιρέωc; καθαίρεσιςa, εως f: to destroy completely by tearing down and dismantling—‘to destroy, to tear down, destruction.’
καταλύωa: οὐκ ἀφεθήσεται λίθος ἐπὶ λίθῳ ὃς οὐ καταλυθήσεται ‘there will not be one stone left on another which will not be torn down’ Lk 21:6.
καθαιρέωc: καθελῶ μου τὰς ἀποθήκας καὶ μείζονας οἰκοδομήσω ‘I will tear my barns down and build bigger ones’ Lk 12:18.​
I think the only thing that has been "rendered powerless " is your understanding of the Messiah:

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."